December 19, 200619 yr Note: This is NOT a post for bashing sports, bashing American sports, or bashing Americans. It's to facilitate a discussion on a recent problem/trend in American sports because I cannot speak about European or other continents, considering that I don't live there. Anywho, this past weekend contained two rather ugly events in American sports: A brawl broke out during the New York Knicks/Denver Nuggets game, resulting in the ejection of all 10 players on the court. The NBA Commissioner, David Stern, handed down 47 games worth of suspensions and a $500,000 fine to each -team- involved. In an American football game this weekend, Terrell Owens, a popular/controversial receiver spit in the face of an opposing player, resulting in a $35,000 fine, the largest for spitting in the NFL's history. These are only the most recent two events in a pretty extensive recent history of player antics both off and on the court. The Cincinnati Bengals (an American football team) have had 8 players in trouble with the law since January. Is it just me or has there been a severe decline in the character of our athletes? What's the cause of this? I understand that they are overpaid, but there have been overpaid athletes for ages. Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, and all of the last generation of NBA superstars were all paid astronomical sums of money to play these children's games, but they never stooped to the lows that today's characters have. I understand there has always been some drama integrated with sports, but it seems to be overshadowing the athletes' achievements these days, in spite of the management's efforts to quell. So where is it coming from? What, do you think, is the solution?
December 19, 200619 yr most of the players themselves grew up in a violent, ghetto-type neighborhood. that kind of behaivor is normal for them.
December 19, 200619 yr Yes, because other countries are not notorious for their soccer riots and the odd soccer player head-butting a man in the chest thing. Just America. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
December 19, 200619 yr What they need is larger disciplinary actions. $500 000 per team is what, $100 000 per athlete, if they decide to charge the athletes to pay the fine. I say suspend them for the remainder of the season without pay. That would fix things in a hurry. Of course it would have massive repercussions on the club that is losing revenue over this, but that would also encourage other clubs to keep their players in check.
December 19, 200619 yr We get similiar things like that all the time in England, I saw in the news some person through a coin at the referee in the middle of a football game. Obviously he fell to the floor in immense pain (the man that through it was in the crowd) and the crowd just jeered and laughed. Then later the manager of the club applauded it because he was annoyed at the referee. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/6139744.stm Sport in general seems to bring out the worst in people.
December 19, 200619 yr Anybody remember what happened in Serbia & Montenegro a couple weeks ago? :D I find some of it to be funny, some of it stupid, and some of it sad. Funny - Chad Johnson's TD dances. His "shoes" (Black and orange in front with pictures of every one of his 2006-2007 Season TDs on the back :lol: Stupid - Stepping on people's heads...*Cough* Albert Haynesworth *Cough* Sad - Having an ego so big that it distracts the entire team. *Cough* T.O. *Cough*
December 19, 200619 yr Author Yes, because other countries are not notorious for their soccer riots and the odd soccer player head-butting a man in the chest thing. Just America. I said that I can't speak for other countries because I don't live there and aren't in touch with their sports enough to be aware of their problems. Read before you insert your sarcastic banter, kiddo.
December 19, 200619 yr Author What they need is larger disciplinary actions. $500 000 per team is what, $100 000 per athlete, if they decide to charge the athletes to pay the fine. I say suspend them for the remainder of the season without pay. That would fix things in a hurry. Of course it would have massive repercussions on the club that is losing revenue over this, but that would also encourage other clubs to keep their players in check. One advancement that I did like is that David Stern, the NBA commish, said that if the brawling nonsense continues, he's going to lay fines to the coaches and the GMs for hiring these players and not keeping them in line. Think there will be any improvement then? As far as suspending for the remainder of the season, they did that with Ron Artest 2 years ago after the fight at the Palace of Auburn Hills in MI. Two years later, we've learned nothing.
December 19, 200619 yr Yes, because other countries are not notorious for their soccer riots and the odd soccer player head-butting a man in the chest thing. Just America. Way to read the post Einstein. Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar!
December 19, 200619 yr What they need is larger disciplinary actions. $500 000 per team is what, $100 000 per athlete, if they decide to charge the athletes to pay the fine. I say suspend them for the remainder of the season without pay. That would fix things in a hurry. Of course it would have massive repercussions on the club that is losing revenue over this, but that would also encourage other clubs to keep their players in check. One advancement that I did like is that David Stern, the NBA commish, said that if the brawling nonsense continues, he's going to lay fines to the coaches and the GMs for hiring these players and not keeping them in line. Think there will be any improvement then? As far as suspending for the remainder of the season, they did that with Ron Artest 2 years ago after the fight at the Palace of Auburn Hills in MI. Two years later, we've learned nothing. Sacramento, and I don't follow NBA, so don't blame me if he's gone somewhere else, I think has done a terrific job with Ron Artest! Remember back a few years ago??? He used to get ejected, walk through the tunnel and throw TVs on the ground :roll: :lol: \
December 20, 200619 yr Note: This is NOT a post for bashing sports, bashing American sports, or bashing Americans. It's to facilitate a discussion on a recent problem/trend in American sports because I cannot speak about European or other continents, considering that I don't live there. Anywho, this past weekend contained two rather ugly events in American sports: A brawl broke out during the New York Knicks/Denver Nuggets game, resulting in the ejection of all 10 players on the court. The NBA Commissioner, David Stern, handed down 47 games worth of suspensions and a $500,000 fine to each -team- involved. In an American football game this weekend, Terrell Owens, a popular/controversial receiver spit in the face of an opposing player, resulting in a $35,000 fine, the largest for spitting in the NFL's history. First of all, TO is a bad person with way too big of an ego to be allowed to play sports. His "punishment" is justifiable. The fines that every league gives their players are barely a dent in their yearly salary. Second, the brawl may have been bad, but it has nothing on the "Malice at the Palace" a few years ago between Detroit and Indiana. Isiah Thomas deserved some sort of punishment, yet got of scotch-free. most of the players themselves grew up in a violent, ghetto-type neighborhood. I'm sorry, but that's the largest load of crap I've heard in a long time. Name me three prominent NBA players with ghetto backgrounds. The code in my sig should say 1032 not 0132.
December 20, 200619 yr What they need is larger disciplinary actions. $500 000 per team is what, $100 000 per athlete, if they decide to charge the athletes to pay the fine. I say suspend them for the remainder of the season without pay. That would fix things in a hurry. Of course it would have massive repercussions on the club that is losing revenue over this, but that would also encourage other clubs to keep their players in check. $100,000 is nothing to athletes anymore. It's pathetic how much Shack makes. This stuff doesn't happen much in Canada for all I know, if you spit in someone's face playing a hockey game, you'll end up as goop on the boards.
December 20, 200619 yr What they need is larger disciplinary actions. $500 000 per team is what, $100 000 per athlete, if they decide to charge the athletes to pay the fine. I say suspend them for the remainder of the season without pay. That would fix things in a hurry. Of course it would have massive repercussions on the club that is losing revenue over this, but that would also encourage other clubs to keep their players in check. $100,000 is nothing to athletes anymore. It's pathetic how much Shack makes. This stuff doesn't happen much in Canada for all I know, if you spit in someone's face playing a hockey game, you'll end up as goop on the boards. In America you end up with a metal [bleep]e in your head. :D
December 20, 200619 yr From a true American sports fan, you are dead on. What it is is the goal of "one-upsmanship" (SP?) that players have. "What? Chad Johnson had a touchtown dance with a plastic chicken! I need to top that!" And furthermore, these fines are nothing, these players make $35,000 from any sponsor, shoes, food, ext. It also is a trait from generation to generation. If little 17 year old timmy The league needs to raise fines. Really hurt these players, not just slap their wrists and let them go. Let me and the rest of my American brothers and sisters say that we are sorry that our sports figures set a bad example. The GES, the only clan ruled by a Goat. "How did it start? I mean, did one kid just yell out lets have sex!""
December 20, 200619 yr From a true American sports fan, you are dead on. What it is is the goal of "one-upsmanship" (SP?) that players have. "What? Chad Johnson had a touchtown dance with a plastic chicken! I need to top that!" And furthermore, these fines are nothing, these players make $35,000 from any sponsor, shoes, food, ext. It also is a trait from generation to generation. If little 17 year old timmy The league needs to raise fines. Really hurt these players, not just slap their wrists and let them go. Let me and the rest of my American brothers and sisters say that we are sorry that our sports figures set a bad example. I agree. Sometime ago Shack got payed around 300,000 a game. Woah. That's $300,000 in 3 hours, where it takes a year for some people to make that much.
December 20, 200619 yr From a true American sports fan, you are dead on. What it is is the goal of "one-upsmanship" (SP?) that players have. "What? Chad Johnson had a touchtown dance with a plastic chicken! I need to top that!" And furthermore, these fines are nothing, these players make $35,000 from any sponsor, shoes, food, ext. It also is a trait from generation to generation. If little 17 year old timmy The league needs to raise fines. Really hurt these players, not just slap their wrists and let them go. Let me and the rest of my American brothers and sisters say that we are sorry that our sports figures set a bad example. I agree. Sometime ago Shack got payed around 300,000 a game. Woah. That's $300,000 in 3 hours, where it takes a year for some people to make that much. 3+ Years?? :XD: And call him Shaq. His name is Shaquille O'Neal
December 20, 200619 yr most of the players themselves grew up in a violent, ghetto-type neighborhood. I'm sorry, but that's the largest load of crap I've heard in a long time. Name me three prominent NBA players with ghetto backgrounds. How do you find that a load of crap? I've seen 3 players named in this topic already that grew up in ghetto neighborhoods. 122 Combat : 99 Hits : 99 Attack : 99 Strength97/99 Defence : 99 Fletching : 99 Woodcutting
December 20, 200619 yr most of the players themselves grew up in a violent, ghetto-type neighborhood. I'm sorry, but that's the largest load of crap I've heard in a long time. Name me three prominent NBA players with ghetto backgrounds. How do you find that a load of crap? I've seen 3 players named in this topic already that grew up in ghetto neighborhoods. I could be wrong, but I thought Carmelo actually grew up in a pretty bad neighborhood. I think a lot of nba players may have grown up in bad neighborhoods, but most of them are recruited to go to some pretty nice schools. I don't think it matters that they got in a fight, why can't this be like hockey, where they just let them duke it out a bit. I personally don't care at all, emotions can run high when you are playing competitve sports, i expect a fight once in a while. I'd rather have them get pissed, then not care at all. I don't get why it bothers people so much too. Don't get me wrong I think they should all get punished, or more people will fallow, but a fight once really isn't that bad. Visit my DeviantArt Page at http://vladmoney.deviantart.com
December 20, 200619 yr why can't this be like hockey, where they just let them duke it out a bit. Well hockey's a more physical game to begin with. In hockey, it's legal to shoulder-check an opponent in the face. I don't think that's legal in basketball :P Also, fighting is against the rules in hockey - they just let them do it. It's a major penalty for fighting, and if you get in a fight with less than five minutes left in a game, you get auto-fined.
December 20, 200619 yr why can't this be like hockey, where they just let them duke it out a bit. Well hockey's a more physical game to begin with. In hockey, it's legal to shoulder-check an opponent in the face. I don't think that's legal in basketball :P Also, fighting is against the rules in hockey - they just let them do it. It's a major penalty for fighting, and if you get in a fight with less than five minutes left in a game, you get auto-fined. Actually, that's outlawed now :wall: Contrary to what most people think, basketball is very physical. I learned this when I played on my school team. If you get in the way of a guy trying to pivot, there's, a 70/30 chance you'll get an elbow in the face. It might not look as physical as hockey, but it's not a kiddy, no-contact sport.
December 20, 200619 yr Yes, because other countries are not notorious for their soccer riots and the odd soccer player head-butting a man in the chest thing. Just America. Way to read the post Einstein. I read the post, Hawking. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me!
December 20, 200619 yr why can't this be like hockey, where they just let them duke it out a bit. Well hockey's a more physical game to begin with. In hockey, it's legal to shoulder-check an opponent in the face. I don't think that's legal in basketball :P Also, fighting is against the rules in hockey - they just let them do it. It's a major penalty for fighting, and if you get in a fight with less than five minutes left in a game, you get auto-fined. Actually, I was watching a video on AOL.com about the past brawl about fans complaining why can't fights be legal in the NBA like they are in the NFL and NHL. One simple Reason: Fans. NBA, Fans are on the court. NHL, fans are behind glass. NFL, fans are many yards away from the field. One of my favorite Person-Player fights was Tie Domi vrs. Intoxicated Philadelphia Flyers fan in 2000. The guy poured beer on Domi in the penalty box and we all know what type of player Domi is :roll: The intoxicated fan ended up falling through the plexi glass and taking several shots from Domi \ The best part was how right when the glass breaks, you get the full in sound from the box and you hear a huge, loud whistle immediately from the ref. :D The ref came and broke it up =[
December 20, 200619 yr why can't this be like hockey, where they just let them duke it out a bit. Well hockey's a more physical game to begin with. In hockey, it's legal to shoulder-check an opponent in the face. I don't think that's legal in basketball :P Also, fighting is against the rules in hockey - they just let them do it. It's a major penalty for fighting, and if you get in a fight with less than five minutes left in a game, you get auto-fined. Actually, I was watching a video on AOL.com about the past brawl about fans complaining why can't fights be legal in the NBA like they are in the NFL and NHL. One simple Reason: Fans. NBA, Fans are on the court. NHL, fans are behind glass. NFL, fans are many yards away from the field. One of my favorite Person-Player fights was Tie Domi vrs. Intoxicated Philadelphia Flyers fan in 2000. The guy poured beer on Domi in the penalty box and we all know what type of player Domi is :roll: The intoxicated fan ended up falling through the plexi glass and taking several shots from Domi \ The best part was how right when the glass breaks, you get the full in sound from the box and you hear a huge, loud whistle immediately from the ref. :D The ref came and broke it up =[ Lol, I remember that. I was actually at a leafs game where a guy who was sitting in a bad seat got drunk, and he ran down the stairs during a whistle. He jumped onto the ice by climbing over the glass. Afterwards he pelted a player in the face. He got kicked out. :thumbsup:
December 20, 200619 yr why can't this be like hockey, where they just let them duke it out a bit. Well hockey's a more physical game to begin with. In hockey, it's legal to shoulder-check an opponent in the face. I don't think that's legal in basketball :P Also, fighting is against the rules in hockey - they just let them do it. It's a major penalty for fighting, and if you get in a fight with less than five minutes left in a game, you get auto-fined. One of my favorite Person-Player fights was Tie Domi vrs. Intoxicated Philadelphia Flyers fan in 2000. :P I didn't know fighting was legal in the NFL. Like, players can drop their gloves and helmets and just smoke each other in the face like in hockey?
December 21, 200619 yr why can't this be like hockey, where they just let them duke it out a bit. Well hockey's a more physical game to begin with. In hockey, it's legal to shoulder-check an opponent in the face. I don't think that's legal in basketball :P Also, fighting is against the rules in hockey - they just let them do it. It's a major penalty for fighting, and if you get in a fight with less than five minutes left in a game, you get auto-fined. One of my favorite Person-Player fights was Tie Domi vrs. Intoxicated Philadelphia Flyers fan in 2000. :P I didn't know fighting was legal in the NFL. Like, players can drop their gloves and helmets and just smoke each other in the face like in hockey? :thumbsup: So freaking funny! And I was wrong, Domi squirted water over and it didn't even hit the guy who jumps at the glass :D. I love how the guy in the Flyers jersey who gets squirted is being kicked by the intoxicated fan trying to get over the glass :D ROFL Let me rephrase. The best part is when Domi squirts, right away, Flyers fans yell and the ref blows his whistle and tries to break it up :lol: And Flyers fans are wrong, Domi's awesome Would you ever start a fight with Dominator? :ohnoes: NFL = Shoving, Throwing off helmets and throwing some shots. Also, If their helmet is off, you could step on their head!
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