assassin_696 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hydrogen fuels may emit water vapour only but that's the biggest greenhouse gas of them all. I just thought i'd clear this up assassin. Hydrogen gas could only (on an industrial level) be derived from water. So if you get it from water and it ends up recombining with O2 to form water, there is no net increase. The sky also has a limit to how much water it can hold, if there is too much, it condenses and rains. In other words, it's not only incredibly clean, but the balance is kept intact, unlike the balance I referred to above. I'd always understood it could be derived from methane on an industrial level. The Global Warming "Myth" is just a media spin You live in the UK, so i'm surprised you haven't seen all the scare stories in the paper recently about how cheap air travel is destroying the planet. That's the kind of spin I object to. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Apologies to Pompey my misuse of vocab - I meant to say that we are due a down swing in temperature us being on the rising limb of the global average at the moment. As for the Airplane et al shock stories they are there for one purpose - the purpose that the government is using global warming - Tax. Governments do not care a dime/penny for global warming but it is a convenient way to introduce a new stealth tax (in England at least - the house efficiency grading is a perfect example). Only when we actually get decent action along the lines of the Kyoto protocol and conference of Rio will we actually get any changes. Scary fact - China is opening 1 new coal pit per week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Hydrogen fuels may emit water vapour only but that's the biggest greenhouse gas of them all. I just thought i'd clear this up assassin. Hydrogen gas could only (on an industrial level) be derived from water. So if you get it from water and it ends up recombining with O2 to form water, there is no net increase. The sky also has a limit to how much water it can hold, if there is too much, it condenses and rains. In other words, it's not only incredibly clean, but the balance is kept intact, unlike the balance I referred to above. I'd always understood it could be derived from methane on an industrial level. My bad, you're correct, although it would also produce carbon dioxide which kind of defeats the purpose of a 'zero emissions technology.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrington Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I am deeply saddened by the number of people who don't believe that global warming is caused by humans. That they have been suckered in by the corporate spin. We KNOW for a fact that carbon levels in the atmosphere are THREE times higher than at any other point in the last 650,000 years (as far back as we can reliably record). This increase has come almost entirely in the last century. Yes, there's also natural variances, but current trends are absolutely way beyond anything that's occurred before. These are definately scientific facts. Undisputable. Why are people still insisting that global warming is entirely natural. It's absurb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I am deeply saddened by the number of people who don't believe that global warming is caused by humans. That they have been suckered in by the corporate spin. We KNOW for a fact that carbon levels in the atmosphere are THREE times higher than at any other point in the last 650,000 years (as far back as we can reliably record). This increase has come almost entirely in the last century. Yes, there's also natural variances, but current trends are absolutely way beyond anything that's occurred before. These are definately scientific facts. Undisputable. Why are people still insisting that global warming is entirely natural. It's absurb! I would love to see a reference to back up what you claim. Sadly, if what you say is true, I have been fed a furphy from other sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrington Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I am deeply saddened by the number of people who don't believe that global warming is caused by humans. That they have been suckered in by the corporate spin. We KNOW for a fact that carbon levels in the atmosphere are THREE times higher than at any other point in the last 650,000 years (as far back as we can reliably record). This increase has come almost entirely in the last century. Yes, there's also natural variances, but current trends are absolutely way beyond anything that's occurred before. These are definately scientific facts. Undisputable. Why are people still insisting that global warming is entirely natural. It's absurb! I would love to see a reference to back up what you claim. Sadly, if what you say is true, I have been fed a furphy from other sites. Watch the documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" by former presidential candidate Albert Gore.... it's all in there. The sources are also included at teh end of the DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I am deeply saddened by the number of people who don't believe that global warming is caused by humans. That they have been suckered in by the corporate spin. We KNOW for a fact that carbon levels in the atmosphere are THREE times higher than at any other point in the last 650,000 years (as far back as we can reliably record). This increase has come almost entirely in the last century. Yes, there's also natural variances, but current trends are absolutely way beyond anything that's occurred before. These are definately scientific facts. Undisputable. Why are people still insisting that global warming is entirely natural. It's absurb! I would love to see a reference to back up what you claim. Sadly, if what you say is true, I have been fed a furphy from other sites. Watch the documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" by former presidential candidate Albert Gore.... it's all in there. The sources are also included at teh end of the DVD. Ok, i'll definately have to give it a look at some point or another. Sounds interesting from what I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I the Eiffel Tower. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I think some clarification is needed on the "global warming - natural or not" issue is needed. Global warming and greenhouse effects are completely natural phenomenons, they have been occurring for millions of years and will continue to do so with or without human intervention - without natural global warming our planet would be almost 30 degrees colder and entirely uninhabitable. The problem at hand is that human activity may be causing a change in this natural process which may have adverse effects. I can't give any sources for this as its all from my A-level Geography teacher :lol: but seeing how she has a masters degree I think she knows the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agunimon979 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Yeah, let me say something Humans < EARTH The earth is big. There is a lot of snow. There was recently a snowfall on my town. The snow has melted like snow naturally does. Do you have any idea how much carbon dioxide it releases into the air? That's about how much smoke my town produces in a few days. Now let's take it from my town on a larger scale. During the summer, the tippity top of the arctic melts, releasing billions tons of carbon dioxide. fortunately, for our little blades of grass, we don't really have anything to worry about, until global warmin 'happens'. Like some other guy said in this thread, there are trillions of blades of grasses, and they all need carbon dioxide. There is also a lot of trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Yeah, let me say something Humans < EARTH The earth is big. There is a lot of snow. There was recently a snowfall on my town. The snow has melted like snow naturally does. Do you have any idea how much carbon dioxide it releases into the air? That's about how much smoke my town produces in a few days. Now let's take it from my town on a larger scale. During the summer, the tippity top of the arctic melts, releasing billions tons of carbon dioxide. fortunately, for our little blades of grass, we don't really have anything to worry about, until global warmin 'happens'. Like some other guy said in this thread, there are trillions of blades of grasses, and they all need carbon dioxide. There is also a lot of trees. Are you suggesting melting snow and ice releases CO2? If so, youv'e been fed misinformation. Sorry if I misinterpreted you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agunimon979 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Yeah, let me say something Humans < EARTH The earth is big. There is a lot of snow. There was recently a snowfall on my town. The snow has melted like snow naturally does. Do you have any idea how much carbon dioxide it releases into the air? That's about how much smoke my town produces in a few days. Now let's take it from my town on a larger scale. During the summer, the tippity top of the arctic melts, releasing billions tons of carbon dioxide. fortunately, for our little blades of grass, we don't really have anything to worry about, until global warmin 'happens'. Like some other guy said in this thread, there are trillions of blades of grasses, and they all need carbon dioxide. There is also a lot of trees. Are you suggesting melting snow and ice releases CO2? If so, youv'e been fed misinformation. Sorry if I misinterpreted you though. Yeah, there's a lot of CO2 that gets stored under snow. By the way, I get this information from the book called The Greenhouse Effect: Life on a warmer planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah, let me say something Humans < EARTH The earth is big. There is a lot of snow. There was recently a snowfall on my town. The snow has melted like snow naturally does. Do you have any idea how much carbon dioxide it releases into the air? That's about how much smoke my town produces in a few days. Now let's take it from my town on a larger scale. During the summer, the tippity top of the arctic melts, releasing billions tons of carbon dioxide. fortunately, for our little blades of grass, we don't really have anything to worry about, until global warmin 'happens'. Like some other guy said in this thread, there are trillions of blades of grasses, and they all need carbon dioxide. There is also a lot of trees. Are you suggesting melting snow and ice releases CO2? If so, youv'e been fed misinformation. Sorry if I misinterpreted you though. Yeah, there's a lot of CO2 that gets stored under snow. By the way, I get this information from the book called The Greenhouse Effect: Life on a warmer planet I'll check it out, but I doubt it releases more CO2 than conventional methods. Any other net sources you could provide would be appriciated. Edit: found nothing so far, I'm starting to doubt your source. Again, any other net sources you could provide would be appriciated. Edit2: Perhaps you are alluding to the water vapour released when snow melts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakerules13 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 i believe in it, but does it matter to us right now? no, mr stuck in iraq just wants to feel special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 i believe in it, but does it matter to us right now? no, mr stuck in iraq just wants to feel special. Cut the personal attacks or you will have a nice chat with site administration. Please keep personal matters in PM, don't bring them out into the public eye. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 i believe in it, but does it matter to us right now? no, mr stuck in iraq just wants to feel special. Cut the personal attacks or you will have a nice chat with site administration. Please keep personal matters in PM, don't bring them out into the public eye. Personal attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 The 'mr stuck in iraq just wants to feel special' is a flame made just for the sake of flaming (only mild appropriate intelligent flaming is allowed). He's made the same name-calling on two topics now. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agunimon979 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yeah, let me say something Humans < EARTH The earth is big. There is a lot of snow. There was recently a snowfall on my town. The snow has melted like snow naturally does. Do you have any idea how much carbon dioxide it releases into the air? That's about how much smoke my town produces in a few days. Now let's take it from my town on a larger scale. During the summer, the tippity top of the arctic melts, releasing billions tons of carbon dioxide. fortunately, for our little blades of grass, we don't really have anything to worry about, until global warmin 'happens'. Like some other guy said in this thread, there are trillions of blades of grasses, and they all need carbon dioxide. There is also a lot of trees. Are you suggesting melting snow and ice releases CO2? If so, youv'e been fed misinformation. Sorry if I misinterpreted you though. Yeah, there's a lot of CO2 that gets stored under snow. By the way, I get this information from the book called The Greenhouse Effect: Life on a warmer planet I'll check it out, but I doubt it releases more CO2 than conventional methods. Any other net sources you could provide would be appriciated. Edit: found nothing so far, I'm starting to doubt your source. Again, any other net sources you could provide would be appriciated. Edit2: Perhaps you are alluding to the water vapour released when snow melts? Huh, maybe that is what the book is reffering too. I don't have any net sources though, unless you could find one. But then again maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'd love to have a quote from the book but I returned it to the library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Huh, maybe that is what the book is reffering too. I don't have any net sources though, unless you could find one. But then again maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'd love to have a quote from the book but I returned it to the library. Couldn't find any net sources, sorry. It looks like it was most likely talking about the water vapour released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM2000 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I am deeply saddened by the number of people who don't believe that global warming is caused by humans. That they have been suckered in by the corporate spin. We KNOW for a fact that carbon levels in the atmosphere are THREE times higher than at any other point in the last 650,000 years (as far back as we can reliably record). This increase has come almost entirely in the last century. Yes, there's also natural variances, but current trends are absolutely way beyond anything that's occurred before. These are definately scientific facts. Undisputable. Why are people still insisting that global warming is entirely natural. It's absurb! Well you've been suckered in by a crazy liberal spin...:roll: How much of the info on global warming has been given to you by your teachers or parents? A lot i guess... My parents have had no infulence on my views...for they refuse to dicuss politics with me ( this has been the case for many years) Unlike You... -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassadar Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_020607_news_taylor_title.59f5d04a.html This kind of shut up the other side tactics really bothers me. It's like no one wants to have honest open debate. If you disagree you are demonized or in this guy's case... fired due to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_020607_news_taylor_title.59f5d04a.html This kind of shut up the other side tactics really bothers me. It's like no one wants to have honest open debate. If you disagree you are demonized or in this guy's case... fired due to politics. The governor said Taylor's contradictions interfere with the state's stated goals to reduce greenhouse gases, the accepted cause of global warming in the eyes of a vast majority of scientists. So even though this guy's opinions go against the overwhelming majority of the scientific community and he basically has no evidence, just an opinion (if he had evidence and made an attempt to show it, trust me, he would not be ignored) you feel he is demonised? It would seem you agree with this guy from what I'm getting, so I'll give you an opportunity to present evidence for your case i.e. an opportunity for an open debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassadar Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 It would seem you agree with this guy from what I'm getting,so I'll give you an opportunity to present evidence for your case i.e. an opportunity for an open debate. 1. I'm not completely sure where I stand on the issue yet. There is not enough proof one way or another at this point for me to claim I KNOW the answer. If you want me to play Devil's advocate to your position I can if you want. 2. Can it be proven global warming is 100% caused by man? Can it be proven that global warming is 100% not a chance of a cyclical climate on Earth or other factors? Remember, Galileo was the one man standing in the face of accepted science at one point as well... Remember at one point Galileo had also not gathered all his data to show his position was correct so what you said about this guy would apply to Galileo as well. Just because everyone believes something that isn't proven doesn't make it true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjiskebab5 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I believe in global warming big time, my geography teacher doesn't believe in it...He's one stupid teachers, belieeeeeeve me :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassadar Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I believe in global warming big time, my geography teacher doesn't believe in it...He's one stupid teachers, belieeeeeeve me Like this is the type stuff I am talking about. Implication: I believe in global warming but there are these stupid people out there that don't believe in it. That's just a form of peer pressure. The whole peer pressure everyone into believing global warming at the professional and scientific level is disturbing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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