The Problems with Humans

[dwarfdude3]

The thing I can't comprehend is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God [or whatever created us] make us so flawed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are two particular aspects of us as humans that really get me depressed every now and then, and I just can't seem to find any answers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first deals with inteligence. I know plently of people that act crazy/immature and such all the time and hardly study at all, but they end up getting the best test scores, and the most friends, etc. Why should inteligence be hereditary? Shouldn't we all be equal in inteligence, and whoever tries the hardest is the 'smartest'? It just doesn't seem fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The next is relationships. I just hate the whole idea of masculinity and femininity (if thats a word :P). I just hate how it is like the big macho guys who act like tards are the ones that the girls are the most attracted to. Why aren't girls attracted to guys who work hard and are respectful? And sure they may be some instances where a girl goes out with a 'nice guy', but if weighed against the jerk-macho kind of guy, I think it is instinctive that the girl will go for the more masculine guy. I think both genders should try to go for a more neutral or 'middle-way' stance on the whole masculine-feminine thing. But no....thats not the way we humans work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, on a sort of related note, I am curious on what people think about fate and free-will, cause I got no idea about that right now.

[wakka102]

Well god didn't exactly make us in my opinion so it's not going to be perfect -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you on the relationship part. It sucks but we just have to learn to deal with it. There are still plenty of girls that will date good guys, just make sure your in shape :wink: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, if you think about it, other animals that are not as advance as humans are the same way. They are attracted to the biggest and strongest of the pack to reproduce and make good babies. The same seems to hold true with humans.

[dwarfdude3]

Well god didn't exactly make us in my opinion so it's not going to be perfect -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really believe in god either, but my question is: if god didn't create us, what did? how did we get here? So, I label whatever our 'creator' may be, by 'God'.

[wakka102]

 

Well god didn't exactly make us in my opinion so it's not going to be perfect -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really believe in god either, but my question is: if god didn't create us, what did? how did we get here? So, I label whatever our 'creator' may be, by 'God'.

Ah ok, I just dont know if I would put "God" or anything of that sort in your post unless you want it to turn into a another god vs. science war ground :x

[Rebdragon]

The thing I can't comprehend is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God make us so flawed?

 

 

 

'Cause if everyone was perfect there'd be no frikking point in us even existing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, free will doesn't exist, and predestiny does. I think this was in my sig for a day, but basically, those two facts don't matter since we humans can never know everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the rest of the post, blame our culture, not a God.

[pault]

There are different kinds of intelligence. School only judges a few kinds. And having lots of friends doesn't mean your smart, just charismatic. Anybody can have charm, it just takes self confidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice guys finish last. That's not really part of the human condition, it's just where you are in life right now. There are plenty of chicks who dig 'Nice' guys, plenty of chicks who dig macho guys, and plenty of chicks who dig any kind of guy. You just have to go out and find them.

[Bubsa]

Well you need to know what's good from what's bad. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to differentiate between the two and chaos would ensue. Or at the very least, extreme boredom.

[Ambassadar]

I'll throw in my two cents if ya don't mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God make us so flawed?

 

 

 

From a Christian perspective according to the Bible man wasn't flawed until humanity sinned and thus separated themselves from him. All the flawed messed up stuff is just a consequence of that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to the girls thing that is an interesting topic. As I was growing up I went through phases where I was the book nerd that everyone picked on and I also had my moments where I was the jock that kicked some rear in sports. I didn't really figure out the whole girl thing until college even though I had won state and stuff in highschool in sports. The key is confidence around females.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jerk guys that act like they are the stuff portray confidence. A lot of times those guys are just covering up their insecurities with false confidence but as far as girls are concerned it works. A lot of "nice guys" are great guys but their insecurity is unattractive to a girl.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Overall I have always been pretty confident in who I am. I just never knew how to act around girls because I grew up with a brother and was just never around them. I felt like there was some kind of secret about how you act or treat them. I would put the ones I thought were really pretty up on a pedestal and get freaked out when I talked to them. Girls don't like that. A girl wants a guy that will treat her as a normal person and won't take any crap off her. A girl has to respect a guy. If he comes across as scared of her or intimidated by her it's gonna be darn hard for her to respect him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't have to be mr buff guy to get a girl. Charm counts for a lot more than buffness with most females. A charming guy with average looks will get a ton more girls than a stud guy that is awkward around them. Once it kinda clicks how things work it gets sooo much easier with females.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why aren't girls attracted to guys who work hard and are respectful?

 

 

 

As they get older they come around. I personally thought most girls were idiots until sometime during their freshman year of college. Not all of them but it seemed like the vast majority.

[Rebdragon]

Okay, rather than having people ask, I've decided to write an it out, summarizing, kind of... here we go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Free will can not exist. I know this for one reason, and can prove it in another way to those who believe in an omniscient God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The world is simply cause and effect, no? Simply put, every thing we do is a reaction to the world around us. Every single move we make, down to every atom and every thought, is because of how our environment controls us. The culmination of every outside force affecting us, all the way to the beginning of time to now, is the only thing we ever come in contact with, the only thing we react to, and thus it controls us. We don't have a say in the matter, we simply do what everything tells us to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those who believe in an omniscient God, here's a simple reason why there can not be free world is a place where an omniscient God exists. Let's say you have two choices, X and Y. From your point of you you can choose either X or Y- you think it over and make a decision based on your opinion and preference. But if an omniscient God exists, he knows what choice you're going to make before you make it. Let's say He knows your going to make choice X. To you it appears that you can choose between X and Y, but you will always choose X because God already knows your going to choose X. This is an example of how free will does not exist, but our limited knowledge of the universe leads us to believe that it does, based on human perspective.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Overall I have always been pretty confident in who I am. I just never knew how to act around girls because I grew up with a brother and was just never around them. I felt like there was some kind of secret about how you act or treat them.

 

 

 

I've got two sisters, one's 13, one's 16. Trust me, it doesn't help :P .

[Bobthefishy]

The thing I can't comprehend is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God make us so flawed?

 

 

 

Well, just to start off, I don't believe in religion so I'm gonna disregard that statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are two particular aspects of us as humans that really get me depressed every now and then, and I just can't seem to find any answers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first deals with inteligence. I know plently of people that act crazy/immature and such all the time and hardly study at all, but they end up getting the best test scores, and the most friends, etc. Why should inteligence be hereditary? Shouldn't we all be equal in inteligence, and whoever tries the hardest is the 'smartest'? It just doesn't seem fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the most part, everyone can be just as smart as anyone else, at least I think that. I'm one of those, "crazy, don't study at all people" that get A's in just about everything. I don't know why, but I can just absorb information. But, there are tons of people that aren't as intelligent, per say, but still get better grades. This happens because they actually do work, for me, I don't have to do anything in school. I don't do homework or anything like that, yet I get A's in honors and AP courses. I think the statement that you said makes it seem like I should be punished because I have a gift of being smart. It isn't my fault, and I can't change it. I often feel bad for people that try much harder than me, only to do worse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The next is relationships. I just hate the whole idea of masculinity and femininity (if thats a word :P). I just hate how it is like the big macho guys who act like tards are the ones that the girls are the most attracted to. Why aren't girls attracted to guys who work hard and are respectful? And sure they may be some instances where a girl goes out with a 'nice guy', but if weighed against the jerk-macho kind of guy, I think it is instinctive that the girl will go for the more masculine guy. I think both genders should try to go for a more neutral or 'middle-way' stance on the whole masculine-feminine thing. But no....thats not the way we humans work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You just need to find the right person. Just because a girl is good looking, doesn't mean she is a good person to be with. Just look at it this way: if she's going out with the "tard" guys, why would you want to go out with her? If she doesn't have enough sense to see that she's with an idiot, she's not good for you. Everyone just needs to find that person that is perfect for them.[/b]

[The Observer]

Nobody is perfect. I feel the same way. My family is sort of poor and we don't get the stuff that other people get. They have the best computers, runescape memberships, the best games, the best consoles. Ya know. But i get used to it.

[xvillexvalox]

To add on, for a more scientific reason we're flawed...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All signs point that humans are herbivores. *

 

 

 

But, we are not born with instincts of where to find food, or what to eat, so if we'd be in the wild with no other human contact, we'd have to guess and check what is edible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, maybe we did before, but the instinct disapeared after years of evolution

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Don't ask me to show any sources or what not, just google "Humans Herbivores" or "Eating meat not natural"

[unknownmasterofnothing]

I don't think there is a creator. We're just here. I think humans are pretty good compared to other animals.

[BlueLancer]

It just doesn't seem fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Fair" doesn't exist in real life. "Fair" is something in kindergarden when everybody gets an equal slice of the cake to prevent whining. In real life, some people are already born with a whole cake while others only have the cherry so to speak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why isn't everybody a musical genius, a master football player or a millionaire? Because, life isn't "fair".

[tripsis]

Well I disagree with many things in this thread, actually. First thing's first, I don't think we were created by a god (just throwing that out there, so you know where my opinion is coming from).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with pault in what he said (about both intelligence and relationships).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for intelligence, I don't think that we should all be born the same, it just makes life so less.. interesting, I guess. I don't think that school really determines who is the smartest. It really just determines who is the most motivated to do well. As for the other thing you said, that those crazy/immature people you know get the best test scores and the most friends.. Those two aren't linked at all. There are plenty of people who never study, fail their tests, and still have the most friends. And there are also people who study for hours, do okay on their tests and have the most friends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We're all special in our own ways, and for some - it just isn't school and all that stuff. You just have to find what you're good at.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really don't like what you said about relationships - mainly because I'm one of the outlier girls who probably wouldn't go for the macho guy. The ones I have been exposed to have always come off as arrogant and self-centered, so I guess I've stereotyped all macho guys to act that way, but I can't help it since I have yet to be exposed to an exception. The way I see it, just because I'm in high school, doesn't mean I should think, "Okay, it doesn't really matter who I date now, since I probably won't end up marring them anyway. Given that, I won't pick the guy I'd rather spend the rest of my life with, since I probably won't at this point - so I'll just go for the hot one!" For example, I am in a relationship now and I didn't choose him because I looked at him and thought, "Wow, he's hot!" I got to know him and realized that it was exactly the kind of person I'd want to spend the rest of my life with - the "nice guy" if you will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think a lot of what you said were just stereotypes of people, because not everyone is like that. Sure, a lot of people are, but I think we have the media to thank for that.

[mikeb912]

The first deals with inteligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You misspelled intelligence :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On topic- I don't believe that intelligence is hereditary. One of my friends is a genius and his parents got through school with Cs and Ds. And I hardly try at school, but I still get honor roll.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as relationships I've never had one :boohoo: It's not that I'm not interested in girls, but no girls are interested in me :anxious: . Also I play hockey so I see all the "Macho" stuff going on at my school. There really is a lot of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as fate and free-will goes I believe that time is exists only relative to what you compare it to (In our case seconds, minutes, hours, etc...) and therefore the future has already happened so I guess you could call that believing in fate. :-k

[dwarfdude3]

 

It just doesn't seem fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Fair" doesn't exist in real life. "Fair" is something in kindergarden when everybody gets an equal slice of the cake to prevent whining. In real life, some people are already born with a whole cake while others only have the cherry so to speak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why isn't everybody a musical genius, a master football player or a millionaire? Because, life isn't "fair".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...you can't just diss me off with 'life isn't fair' crap. Sure maybe it isn't, but it should be. That is what I'm complaining about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on a more positive note: I really like what some of you guys had to say in this thread. thanks.

[wakka102]

 

 

It just doesn't seem fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Fair" doesn't exist in real life. "Fair" is something in kindergarden when everybody gets an equal slice of the cake to prevent whining. In real life, some people are already born with a whole cake while others only have the cherry so to speak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why isn't everybody a musical genius, a master football player or a millionaire? Because, life isn't "fair".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...you can't just diss me off with 'life isn't fair' crap. Sure maybe it isn't, but it should be. That is what I'm complaining about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on a more positive note: I really like what some of you guys had to say in this thread. thanks.

well if its just a complaint there isnt much to discuss. What exactly do you expect people to say?

[insane]

Why aren't girls attracted to guys who work hard and are respectful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once you get out of high school they "normalize".

[imyou2]

 

 

 

because were not all smart... :?

[pault]

Sure maybe it isn't, but it should be. That is what I'm complaining about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, your suggestions don't really make for a fair world. The world is completely fair right now, in regards to doing well in school and succeeding at dating, the examples you brought up. If you play sports and practice constantly, you can become one of the "Macho" guys you are whining about. If you studied constantly you could get excellent grades.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You ask about free will, free will is the ability to change who you are through your own willpower, without worrying about what people will think or about the strains on your mind and body. Anybody can be a jock and get chicks or study hard and get straight A's, but if you can wait for a girl you really like, and get grades you are satisfied with, you will be a better person for it.

[warri0r45]

 

 

It just doesn't seem fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Fair" doesn't exist in real life. "Fair" is something in kindergarden when everybody gets an equal slice of the cake to prevent whining. In real life, some people are already born with a whole cake while others only have the cherry so to speak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why isn't everybody a musical genius, a master football player or a millionaire? Because, life isn't "fair".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...you can't just diss me off with 'life isn't fair' crap. Sure maybe it isn't, but it should be. That is what I'm complaining about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on a more positive note: I really like what some of you guys had to say in this thread. thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll give you a scientific explination on why life isn't fair. Ok, you'd agree that it's peoples differences that make us dislike/be intolerant towards/stereotype/hate/etc others, correct? Genetic variation occurs when there is a random selection of one or the other of all pairs of chromosomal information from mother and father and basically occurs in all complex organisms to help our survival rates as a species. How does it help survival rates? The genetic variations makes us difficult and somewhat impervious to predation (obviously not totally impervious) due to the fact that we will all react in a different manner i.e. not predictably as something like a bacterial colony will. Also, on the topic of bacteria, genetic variation makes the spread of such microbes much more difficult than if we were all the same. Image if we were all genetically identical; bacteria that overrun one human could do so to the whole population due to the fact that we are all genetically indentical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a brief explination of why life isn't fair. :lol: I hope it makes sense. :ohnoes:

[Rebdragon]

As far as fate and free-will goes I believe that time is exists only relative to what you compare it to (In our case seconds, minutes, hours, etc...) and therefore the future has already happened so I guess you could call that believing in fate. :-k

 

 

 

Yet another point against free will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm too lazy for this, can anyone bring up an exact definition of free will? My hypothesis explains that we appear to have the power to change who we are and what happens to us, but we really don't, so I'm not sure if I'm supporting or going against the technical definition of free will :-k .

 

 

 

 

 

It just doesn't seem fair.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Fair" doesn't exist in real life. "Fair" is something in kindergarden when everybody gets an equal slice of the cake to prevent whining. In real life, some people are already born with a whole cake while others only have the cherry so to speak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why isn't everybody a musical genius, a master football player or a millionaire? Because, life isn't "fair".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...you can't just diss me off with 'life isn't fair' crap. Sure maybe it isn't, but it should be. That is what I'm complaining about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If things were fair, everyone would be perfect, and everyone would be normal, identical, and bland. Maybe God just doesn't like being bored.

[Ambassadar]

Another thing to remember is there are always two sides to every coin. Difficulties in life and overcoming challenges is what makes us grow as a person. The more you overcome the more you learn and mature. The most incredible people I know are the ones that have been through the hardest times and weathered the storm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It can be difficult when you are in the middle of a crisis of any sort and you just feeling like giving up but when you hang in there and realize that the hardship is molding you into a better person it will really help your outlook on life. Overcoming difficulties is what makes us grow to our full potential. A person that always has everything handed to them on a platter may never realize their full potential because they never have to push themselves to realize it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most hardships when you look back on them later in life were blessings in disguise.

[warri0r45]

Another thing to remember is there are always two sides to every coin. Difficulties in life and overcoming challenges is what makes us grow as a person. The more you overcome the more you learn and mature. The most incredible people I know are the ones that have been through the hardest times and weathered the storm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It can be difficult when you are in the middle of a crisis of any sort and you just feeling like giving up but when you hang in there and realize that the hardship is molding you into a better person it will really help your outlook on life. Overcoming difficulties is what makes us grow to our full potential. A person that always has everything handed to them on a platter may never realize their full potential because they never have to push themselves to realize it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most hardships when you look back on them later in life were blessings in disguise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well said Ambassadar, you just made me remember (although it sounds wierd) I am a better person because of my parent divorcing (among other random crap life has served up at me).