February 17, 200719 yr Would you go up to a person knowingly that there was a definate 1/100 chance he could murder you? See, now you're turning this into something else entirely. No, I most likely wouldn't go up to that person that has a chance of murdering me but just because one black male is a murdurer does not mean I would avoid the whole culture. You should take every individual on face value, not just make blanket statements like I'm going to avoid all of culture 'x' just because an overwhelming minority could harm me. But Sorry if you think I'm way off, but avoiding something just because 1% of it wants to/can kill you is pessemistic to me. Thats a 1% chance. It's exactly the same. 100 Black people, 1 was out to murder you, It's a logical reason to stay away from that race, it's not because they are black or i feel i am superior too them. It's because there is a pretty good chance i could be killed it has nothing to do with what race they are. By the way, this is hypothetical, i don't stay away from black or any type of race. What's not logical about what I said? You'd avoid all blacks because a minority steal. I see the logic perfectly. Because this is a hypothetical argument, and we are talking about murder not theft. And there are Billions of black people, not 100 and the odds of a black person wanting to kill me is not 1/100. You can deal with hypotheticals all you like, I'd rather model my behaviour on what happens in the real world.
February 17, 200719 yr It's the same, if all black people wanted me dead then I would avoid all black people. Thats not discrimination thats having a logical reason to avoid them. What if only 95% of them wanted you dead? I would still have a good reason to avoid them. Hell, I would avoid a race if 1% wanted me dead. It's still logical to avoid someone when the chance that they will kill you is 1/100. So.. by that logic, it's also alright to kick blacks, gypsies, teens, and other groups, out of your store because a minority steal? Or don't send your kids to church people! A minority of priests had sex with boys. The priests can't be trusted! No, this is the stupidest conversation I have ever had. If there where 100 people in a race, and I knew one of them wanted to murder me. I'd stay away from them. Discrimination is acting on prejudice, prejudice is acting on a a beleif that you are superior to someone without a logical reason. The fact talking to this person could mean a 1/100 chance they'd kill me counts as a logical reason. It would be different in real life since a 1/3 Billion chance would change things. What's not logical about what I said? You'd avoid all blacks because a minority steal. I see the logic perfectly. Fools logic if ya ask me. Everyone of a particular ethnic group has evil intentions until proven otherwise. It's a potentially hurtful and disrespectful generalisation. It's not the logic I use. But, if he thinks that 1 in 100 black people will kill him then I'm sure he'll also disallow black people in his store because 1 in 100 steal. Makes sense now? Proud founder of the Myriad
February 17, 200719 yr Would you go up to a person knowingly that there was a definate 1/100 chance he could murder you? See, now you're turning this into something else entirely. No, I most likely wouldn't go up to that person that has a chance of murdering me but just because one black male is a murdurer does not mean I would avoid the whole culture. You should take every individual on face value, not just make blanket statements like I'm going to avoid all of culture 'x' just because an overwhelming minority could harm me. But Sorry if you think I'm way off, but avoiding something just because 1% of it wants to/can kill you is pessemistic to me. Thats a 1% chance. It's exactly the same. 100 Black people, 1 was out to murder you, It's a logical reason to stay away from that race, it's not because they are black or i feel i am superior too them. It's because there is a pretty good chance i could be killed it has nothing to do with what race they are. By the way, this is hypothetical, i don't stay away from black or any type of race. What's not logical about what I said? You'd avoid all blacks because a minority steal. I see the logic perfectly. Because this is a hypothetical argument, and we are talking about murder not theft. And there are Billions of black people, not 100 and the odds of a black person wanting to kill me is not 1/100. You can deal with hypotheticals all you like, I'd rather model my behaviour on what happens in the real world. I was given a hypothetical scenario. Where did you get thoe figures Grim_Jokes? And it doesn't matter anyway, this is a hypothetical issue of murder not theft. So what the hell are you talking about? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
February 17, 200719 yr You're hypothetically judging an entire race on the actions of a few. And I suspect you do the same in real life too. Proud founder of the Myriad
February 17, 200719 yr Never tell anyone of your stupid suspections then. How could i possibly judge a entire race when we are talking about 100 people? How could you even get to that conclusion? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed.
February 17, 200719 yr You're hypothetically judging an entire race on the actions of a few. At what percentage does it become okay to judge an entire race, culture, or religion for the actions of it's members? 10%? 20%? 50%? 75%? 100%?
February 17, 200719 yr Well, Logically, Id say it was 51% ? (Please correct me if im wrong.) This would mean that the majority of a certain group\race\culture would be out to kill you. Therfore, It is not prejudice, but logical to avoid them? Communism is not fit for humans. We are not good enough for it. Tip.It is officially Red. o.0
February 17, 200719 yr You're hypothetically judging an entire race on the actions of a few. At what percentage does it become okay to judge an entire race, culture, or religion for the actions of it's members? 10%? 20%? 50%? 75%? 100%? That's the thing, you can never judge. You should never judge. But of course you will because it's human nature. Proud founder of the Myriad
February 17, 200719 yr You are just playing semantics Grim. Word it this way if it makes you feel better about it... At what percentage does it become okay to "view differently" or "feel differently" about an entire race, culture, or religion for the actions of it's members? 10%? 20%? 50%? 75%? 100%?
February 18, 200719 yr You are just playing semantics Grim. Word it this way if it makes you feel better about it... At what percentage does it become okay to "view differently" or "feel differently" about an entire race, culture, or religion for the actions of it's members? 10%? 20%? 50%? 75%? 100%? I believe never. It can be harmful to a society if the masses of it do actually stereotype and look down on a particular race. I believe here in Australia, the muslim population has been looked at differently since 9/11. Because of this, they feel segregated and persecuted and, in my opinion, are becoming an anti social sect. No offense intended to any muslim person, quite the contrary, as it's the masses behaviour that makes them feel victimised.
February 18, 200719 yr I believe never. It can be harmful to a society if the masses of it do actually stereotype and look down on a particular race. So you don't look down on the culture the Japanese had in WWII(I am not talking race for this example... just culture)? The culture that thought it was ok to slaughter hundreds of thousands of helpless Chinese in Nanking and raped just about every woman in that city down to infants. The culture that published exploits of their widespread murder of civilians to the jubilation of their public. You don't think it is right to view a culture like that differently? What about cultures that think it is ok to beat their women and keep them in submission? I can come up with any number of examples of brutal cultures from present or from history. Would you not call the acts of the Japanese culture in WWII brutal?
February 18, 200719 yr I believe never. It can be harmful to a society if the masses of it do actually stereotype and look down on a particular race. So you don't look down on the culture the Japanese had in WWII(I am not talking race for this example... just culture)? The culture that thought it was ok to slaughter hundreds of thousands of helpless Chinese in Nanking and raped just about every woman in that city down to infants. The culture that published exploits of their widespread murder of civilians to the jubilation of their public. You don't think it is right to view a culture like that differently? What about cultures that think it is ok to beat their women and keep them in submission? I can come up with any number of examples of brutal cultures from present or from history. Would you not call the acts of the Japanese culture in WWII brutal? Well, here's the thing. The people you gave as an example actually, as a group, were bad people and weren't stereotyped, rather thier actions were documented and that's how they were portrayed. The people I gave as an example are (by majority) god fearing, life loving people who instantly gained the tagline extremist after 9/11. They are very different examples. Would you look through 1940's eyes at the japanese the same way you look at them today? Of course not. These people weren't stereotyped or portayed unjustly; they were a horrific militaristic regime becuase of what they did, not because of the association of thier culture with something bad.
February 18, 200719 yr I'm not debating specific examples. I am debating the idea of is it acceptable or not to ever discriminate in any form against a race, culture, lifestyle, etc. Is it ever ok to view a group in a different view than you view all the others? The people you gave as an example actually, as a group, were bad people and weren't stereotyped, rather thier actions were documented and that's how they were portrayed. So would you say that Japanese culture during WWII was pretty messed up and barbaric? Like you said... it's documented... \ hey are very different examples. Would you look through 1940's eyes at the japanese the same way you look at them today? Of course not. Correct... because their culture changed. That is my point. they were a horrific militaristic regime becuase of what they did, not because of the association of thier culture with something bad. So all those thousands and thousands of Japanese soldiers that performed atrocities are not at fault for their actions? They aren't a reflection of the culture they were raised in? What about the reflection on their culture how these atrocities were cheered on the homefront? If their culture wasn't ok with these things they wouldn't have put up with it and cheered it. Aren't the actions of a culture and the condoning of these actions by the rest of the culture a good way to determine what that culture is and what it values at it's core?
February 18, 200719 yr I'm not debating specific examples. I am debating the idea of is it acceptable or not to ever discriminate in any form against a race, culture, lifestyle, etc. Is it ever ok to view a group in a different view than you view all the others? The people you gave as an example actually, as a group, were bad people and weren't stereotyped, rather thier actions were documented and that's how they were portrayed. So would you say that Japanese culture during WWII was pretty messed up and barbaric? Like you said... it's documented... \ hey are very different examples. Would you look through 1940's eyes at the japanese the same way you look at them today? Of course not. Correct... because their culture changed. That is my point. they were a horrific militaristic regime becuase of what they did, not because of the association of thier culture with something bad. So all those thousands and thousands of Japanese soldiers that performed atrocities are not at fault for their actions? They aren't a reflection of the culture they were raised in? What about the reflection on their culture how these atrocities were cheered on the homefront? If their culture wasn't ok with these things they wouldn't have put up with it and cheered it. Aren't the actions of a culture and the condoning of these actions by the rest of the culture a good way to determine what that culture is and what it values at it's core? This is straying completely from the example I gave, but yes, the actions of a culture are a good way to determine what values are at it's core. With my example, the muslim population here, say 10 years ago, were never in the news, never out of line and seen as just another culture really (correct me if I'm wrong someone). Yet today, due to an event completely seperate from thier culture, (in the sense that thier culture is, on the whole, no where near as extreme as an extremists would be) they are seen as different and watched, documented and scrutinised with a fine toothed comb. I argued these kind of actions by society can make the muslim population start to question 'perhaps these are the values of Islam we need to espouse' (referring to hardcore jihad, suicide bombing and having no tolerance for people outside the sphere of Islam) which is damaging to the society as a whole. The Japanese example is no where near like this really as it was the whole society at the time that espoused 'evil' values through thier government's propoganda etc, etc. They weren't being scruitinised as being a culture within a culture (as muslims are a culture within a multicultural country), they were the one and only culture of the time (arguably, my WW2 knowlege isn't perfect).
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February 18, 200719 yr Why would gay people want to get married?Why would hetrosexual people want to get married?
February 18, 200719 yr Why would gay people want to get married?Why would hetrosexual people want to get married? Two reasons why people get married: 1. To finally commit and move to the next step in their relationship and 2. The money (taxes plus financial complication if living together) I can understand the first one but lately I've been thinking that a lot of the controversy these days is over number 2. And it's starting to disgust me.
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