Could Someone explain the whole "junk trading" concept?

While i understand what "junk items" are, and they are used to balance trades with high street-value items, who does this process actually benefit, the buyer or the seller of the item? Is junk used as an alternate currency to some degree as well? And would be using junk an effective way to buy an item such as a SS (my current goal item). If anyone can explain i would much appreciate it. Thank you in advance! :

It benefits the seller:

Seller : Buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows please

Buyer : Why the hell would anyone give hard-earned gp for such useless items?

Seller : I will sell my dragon claws to you, but only if you also buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows.

Buyer : I want the dragon claws! It's a deal!

so its more or less bait for a cruddy deal?

It benefits the seller:

 

 

 

Seller : Buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows please

 

Buyer : Why the hell would anyone give hard-earned gp for such useless items?

 

 

 

Seller : I will sell my dragon claws to you, but only if you also buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows.

 

Buyer : I want the dragon claws! It's a deal!

It also benefits the buyer.

Your item is worth 20m in the ge but only 15m street price so i will pay 15m cash and 5m junk

It benefits the seller:

 

 

 

Seller : Buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows please

 

Buyer : Why the hell would anyone give hard-earned gp for such useless items?

 

 

 

Seller : I will sell my dragon claws to you, but only if you also buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows.

 

Buyer : I want the dragon claws! It's a deal!

 

It also benefits the buyer.

 

 

 

Your item is worth 20m in the ge but only 15m street price so i will pay 15m cash and 5m junk

Isnt it the other way?

Like 3a for example, ge the kite is something around ~60m, but street its around ~100m

So the seller would put up the kite, 60m, and 40m of random useless junk items

The buyer would pay 100m for everything, so the seller gets 100m instead of just the 60 from the ge price of the shield.

It benefits the seller:

 

 

 

Seller : Buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows please

 

Buyer : Why the hell would anyone give hard-earned gp for such useless items?

 

 

 

Seller : I will sell my dragon claws to you, but only if you also buy my 100k unstrung maple longbows.

 

Buyer : I want the dragon claws! It's a deal!

 

It also benefits the buyer.

 

 

 

Your item is worth 20m in the ge but only 15m street price so i will pay 15m cash and 5m junk

 

 

 

Isnt it the other way?

 

 

 

Like 3a for example, ge the kite is something around ~60m, but street its around ~100m

 

 

 

So the seller would put up the kite, 60m, and 40m of random useless junk items

 

The buyer would pay 100m for everything, so the seller gets 100m instead of just the 60 from the ge price of the shield.

Say 3a kites crash, and now have a street price of 20m. Now the seller would have to trade the shield for 20m and 40m in junk. It's what happened to phats. Junk can be used either way.

ok, well then, is it feasible to buy something (of actual value) with nothing but junk and/or sell junk to other players?

I don't think anyone would sell their items for pure junk.

I seriously doubt someone will sell you something of any real value for nothing but junk items? Most people do junk trading to sell an item that has a much higher street value than a Grand Exchange vlaue. Because of the trade limits you can only pay so much less or more than what an item is valued at on the Grand Exchange. Thus people add in junk items with the actual item the person is really wanting to buy to make up for this price difference and the trade limit.

Example: I am not going to look this up to be exact, so this is just an example and my have changed since last I knew. Say a prayer page book is only selling for max value at 100k on GE. But players are demanding 1 million for it instead of 100k. Seller will throw in a bunch of junk items that make the trade valued at close to 1 million so he can sell the page for 1million. In all actuality he sold his junk and the page for a million, but that is what player had to do to get the million.

hmmm well then what about selling it? would ppl buy at min ge (or maybe slightly less) price on forums?

I am not sure what you are asking now? Sounds like to me you are just trying to unload a bunch of junk. All I can tell you is that if you have something you want to sell either put it on forums or GE. I think the concept of Junk Trading has been decently explained, and is not exactly what you are trying to do.

You are just trying to unload a bunch of junk best I can tell. I suppose you could always use your explorer ring and get rid of it 30 items at a time till it is all gone too.

Good Luck

Edit: Or you could just hold on to your junk if you ever think you may have an item you may want to sell that has a higher street value than GE value. I have never had an item that fits this bill, but there is some things I have been holding on too just in case I ever have to do a junk trade.

yes actually i think i get it now, thank you. i will be most likely trying to unload a lot of junk, perhaps i will ask around to get an idea of the sucess rates of selling off junk.

when saradomin godswords were 45,700,000 gp market price, they were rising and selling for about 46-47m on the exchange.

I went to w2 and got a seller for 46.2m, the junk was dragon arrows (p++), i could of easily cleaned these and sold them on the ge but i didn't.

I took the godsword and immediately lended it and liquidated the junk.

in that case, junk trading was good for me because i basically paid market price for an item that was selling for way above market price.

things such as summoning scrolls/pouches are considered junk. there are useful pouches like the spirit graahk and the bunyip which are not junk traded (to my knowledge) but most of them are.

poisoned arrows/bolts, unstrung bows (mostly maple or willow).

PvP armors because who really wants sweet/expensive armor that will dissolve off you in 15/60 minutes?

PvP weapons also.

Items that are crashing can also be considered junk.

Cmrobins is manipulating uncut diamonds; when those crash, it will be near impossible to sell that on the ge. So that will become junk for a short amount of time.

If you would say what it is you have and are trying to sell, what exactly are you wanting to do. Quit being so vague and you may be able to get a little more information from other players.

Well, I never understood the value of junk to anyone either. I try to get the item without paying junk whenever possible. It can be done (in most cases) and junk is usually involved when someone wants the thing real bad...and if they're willing to buy it for 'x' amount of junk, they're probably willing to by for 'y' more or even 'z' more.

Sometimes getting the junk can be just as much effort as finding a buyer/seller at GE price!

If you would say what it is you have and are trying to sell, what exactly are you wanting to do. Quit being so vague and you may be able to get a little more information from other players.

 

I already said, i have a better grasp on it now, and i thought i stated my questions well enough. If not, I am currently working to increase my fletching level, and I needed to understand this so I could at least turn a relatively worthless item (maple longbows (u)) into a possible source of profit. Does that help you? And thank you everybody else for your help.

when saradomin godswords were 45,700,000 gp market price, they were rising and selling for about 46-47m on the exchange.

 

 

 

I went to w2 and got a seller for 46.2m, the junk was dragon arrows (p++), i could of easily cleaned these and sold them on the ge but i didn't.

 

 

 

I took the godsword and immediately lended it and liquidated the junk.

 

 

 

 

 

in that case, junk trading was good for me because i basically paid market price for an item that was selling for way above market price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

things such as summoning scrolls/pouches are considered junk. there are useful pouches like the spirit graahk and the bunyip which are not junk traded (to my knowledge) but most of them are.

 

 

 

poisoned arrows/bolts, unstrung bows (mostly maple or willow).

 

 

 

PvP armors because who really wants sweet/expensive armor that will dissolve off you in 15/60 minutes?

 

 

 

PvP weapons also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Items that are crashing can also be considered junk.

 

 

 

 

 

Cmrobins is manipulating uncut diamonds; when those crash, it will be near impossible to sell that on the ge. So that will become junk for a short amount of time.

Basically this, if you have a expensive item like bandos armor or godsword you can use it to get rid of junk. And if that manipulating diamonds thing is true than that makes me really mad. I have a problem with people manipulating items that people need for everyday uses like gems, leather, etc.