One head rule..... Would it fix inflation?

One head rule..... Would it fix?

would this actually fix the party/santa/mask situation? I think it would fix it.. If they only let you hold just one and gave you a time to sell the extra's you have *1 week.

there'd be big complaints, because prices would fall dramatically, so the people who recently bought a santa hat for 3m or whatever, would be out of pocket by something like 2.9m.

not quite because somewhere out there, there is someone who is stashing 50 of each hat.. maybe more.. So he would have 1 month find a price that people would buy at.... So say someone buys a full set for 1m each... Thats 5 mil... This would make it so The hats are more spread out and harder to get rid of. Once someone wants to sell there hat they will actually have an auction for it.

The problem with the rares is... while some look at them as collectors items others are merely using the items as investments.

Myself personally own a Santa Hat, a Blue Halloween Mask, and a Green Halloween Mask. And I can honestly say I have no intentions of selling them at all. They're prices could shoot up to 100 Mill tomorrow and I'd think nothing of it. The Santa Hat I got for free from the drop, which holds some sentimental value to me. The Masks I just simply like and I purchased when I was supplying cooks on RSC (back went certs still existed).

While Rares aren't what they use to be... I wouldn't want to be forced, nor obligated, to get rid of my items that, at the time, I busted my hump to get or was fortunate enough to accquire. While I don't like to ever place blame, its the merchants, who have nothing better to do, that are making Rares so hard to obtain.

Only true solution would to make everything non tradable. And I'm not a real big fan of that idea either, cause I would at least still like to complete my mask set, although I'm having my doubts that that will even happen. Making things untradable just seems like the only solution to me. Unless these nit wits decide to set things right and not bother fooling around with prices again... Which they wont even if they claim they will. They'll get bored again and decide to shoot prices up, or as I like to call it price manipulate.

Either way... thats my take on it.

since all other items went down xmas cracks would shoot to about 500m..

Here is what I think:

They should make all rares untradeable but allow you to sell to Diango for x amount. Then Diango could sell them at a lower price.

Here is why this would be the most effective solution:

A) Certain people wouldn't be extremely wealthy (Which is something Jagex does not like). Diango would probably only buy Party Hats for like 5M (Instead of the current 20M) so people would only have two options:

-Keep them

-Sell them

And they wouldn't be able to manipulate the price since Diango would buy them.

B) Rares would become just fun items again as Jagex wanted them to be.

C) People who were keeping them for sentimental reasons or just for fun (Such as Y2g2003) would still get to keep them if they wish and would be able to complete their sets (All masks, hats, etc. would be purchasable from Diango).

I know this idea has been shared many times, but I think I just shed a little light on why this is the best solution.

What about the poeple who wear them as a status symbol? The ones who are veyr rich, and want to show the wrold how rich they are? Rares arent only for money, or for looking good, they are also too set the wealthy people appart from the middle class. the aboves idea would ruin, and make it so any average joe off the street could get one. Sure theres dragon, barrows, and God, Trim, and Gold armour, but thats stuff is being added to the game everyday. Their rarariy wanes every day, and with it thier price and status as rich peoples stuff. There have to be items that set people apart. Those people with rares have spent long hours trying to get them, so let them. No point in ruining a perfectly decent status symbol. If you want to wear one just for fun? Work for it, it will make wearing all the more enjoyable knowing you put ur blood and sweat into it. People who just trade around with them? Let them, they earned the rare in the first place, either by luck or skill, and they can do whatever they want. Teh solution to the Rares Problem? Do nothing. There aint no problem. Yes prices are raising, we all have theories why. The plain and simple truth is the prices are rasing, and theres litttle we can do except toughen up, stop complaining, and work hard to achieve your gold. Theres your solution.

(and fyi, i dont own a single rare, but am currently WORKING up money to buy one. SO dont think im some super rich maniulator.)

When I posted my previous suggestion, I was thinking Diango would buy for maybe 15-20M (For P Hats for example) and re-sell them for 1-5M. Lemme tell ya, not every average joe has 5M to throw around. I know plenty of people that are combat 70+ that have never even had 1M in their inventory. Most of them don't even have 1M in net worth.

First of all, there really doesn't need to be a fix to rares themselves, as they aren't the cause of inflation. Second of all, people who have a party hat set (or any set of any type of rare) and wouldn't want to sell them would just make as many newb accounts as necessary to each hold a party hat on, to avoid having to trade them off.

*sigh* I really hate picking apart a reply, but I feel you've really left me no choice. Its not because I am mean, mind you. Its the simple fact that you are SO misinformed that it isn't even funny.

What about the poeple who wear them as a status symbol? The ones who are veyr rich, and want to show the wrold how rich they are? Rares arent only for money, or for looking good, they are also too set the wealthy people appart from the middle class.

The ones who are very rich are the ones manipulating the prices... not the people holding onto the hats because they like them. You obviously have no clue whats been going on with the Rares Market lately. Heres some advice, just go look up "r2-plesent" or however he spells his name. Believe me... it'll all make sense. If you do so and can't comprehend, just read on, I'm sure as I ramble on I'll explain why the Rares Market is so corrupt.

They aren't much of a status symbol anymore, for one. Merchants and Non Merchants are realizing that Phats (mainly) are just investment tools. No one considers them status symbols for the most part. Hell some people are even all smiles that prices are being manipulated. Some people have a good bit of phats they are still saving up to sell. Like I said before... Rares aren't what they use to be.

the aboves idea would ruin, and make it so any average joe off the street could get one.

While yes, it would ruin things, I don't see the point is keeping something in the game that is so corrupt. Hell, maybe it would be better to have any "average Joe" be able to own them. Maybe it would teach merchants a lesson, even though I doubt it.

Sure theres dragon, barrows, and God, Trim, and Gold armour, but thats stuff is being added to the game everyday. Their rarariy wanes every day, and with it thier price and status as rich peoples stuff. There have to be items that set people apart.

Since when do games HAVE to have status symbols? :roll:

Give me a break... seriously... There are games out there that have no statless "rare" items at all. There are games that have Vet Rewards, but that rewards those who have played a certain amount of time. Those items can be sold, but believe me... the community in which I'm referring to isn't even half as greedy as the RS Community is.

Some of you are so hung up on trying to be better that you're literally overlooking the fact that you are spending money on items that have terribly unstable prices. Prices in which can go up and down at any time (and as some are claiming, phats are supposedly dropping). I don't see how a unstable price of an item can be considered a status symbol, or label you as "rich" and "above the middle class".

Lost my train of thought on the last part there, so sorry if it sounds messed up.

Those people with rares have spent long hours trying to get them, so let them. No point in ruining a perfectly decent status symbol.

And those who probably spent the time to get those items either are now spending the time to manipulate the prices of those very same items, in which you are talking about or lowering those prices now because they're done making a killing off them.

If you want to wear one just for fun? Work for it, it will make wearing all the more enjoyable knowing you put ur blood and sweat into it.

Take a look at the prices... You'll want to retract the following statement you just said if you did actually take a look.

People who just trade around with them? Let them, they earned the rare in the first place, either by luck or skill, and they can do whatever they want. Teh solution to the Rares Problem? Do nothing. There aint no problem.

Pretty much already discussed this part. But I must say... Merchanting is NOT a skill. And the problem is the Merchants manipulating the prices. WHich I think I've said about 5 times now in this post. But I'll at least say it another 2 or 3 times until you get the point. :wink:

Yes prices are raising, we all have theories why.

This is the part I've been wanting to get to. Theories? Theories you say? Like I said before... look up r2's past posts, just on tip.it)... you'll understand that what I've been saying (amoung others) is NOT a theory. That is the most foolish and insulting thing any one could say regarding this subject. There are no theories, its all fact. And I've read into everything and have even quoted r2 constantly. FUnny thing about it is he hasn't had the NERVE to even reply to my PM or address anything I've said in public. So you tell me... who sounds guilty? :roll:

Not about to quote anything else. Everything you've said after that I've basically already commented on.

Next time... word of advice, and don't take this personal. Do your research on people. When I am so bold as to call someone a price manipulator, I don't just falsely accuse and throw caution to the wind. I look them up, I read their posts, and I witness their lies. I suggest you do the same.

Could you communists please stop trying to fix things that aren't broken. Yes, the prices are high, but that doesn't mean they should be lowered so every player in game can afford to buy any item in game. Rares is part of the reason why runescape is interesting for some people. Just because you can't afford (enugh) rares yourself doesn't mean nobody should. Stop being communists by trying to lower the wealth of the rich, it won't work out the way you want to. Nothing is perfect, but making rares untradable or making them be sold/bought in shop(s) won't make the rares situation any better anyway :roll:

First of all, there really doesn't need to be a fix to rares themselves, as they aren't the cause of inflation. Second of all, people who have a party hat set (or any set of any type of rare) and wouldn't want to sell them would just make as many newb accounts as necessary to each hold a party hat on, to avoid having to trade them off.

*Goes and creates 100 characters or so.. :roll:*

To Y2g2003: Although I know you mean it right you should not try to generalize.. What price manipulators do shouldn't be considered merchanting at all - even though people consider it like that. It's basically

based on the (not much different and very old) *team scam.

Also, it's not true what you said about merchanters making prices go up extra. Rares aren't called 'rare' for no reason. They are just that and will become more of it all that time. Rares only get rarer due to various reasons which are commonly known. Although these effects are all long-term, they do drive up the prices in the end too, and prices of rares wouldn't have been much lower without merchants. *note: I'm not saying price manipulators make the rares overpriced, as they actually do.

*Team scam: You let a friend yell "buying pumpkin 10mil" and you yell "selling pumpkin 5mil" yourself.

Also, it's not true what you said about merchanters making prices go up extra. Rares aren't called 'rare' for no reason. They are just that and will become more of it all that time. Rares only get rarer due to various reasons which are commonly known. Although these effects are all long-term, they do drive up the prices in the end too, and prices of rares wouldn't have been much lower without merchants. *note: I'm not saying price manipulators make the rares overpriced, as they actually do.

Why do I have the strangest feeling that if rares were allowed to grow in price of their own accord, and not manipulated and forced up, then they'd still be around the prices when I first joined?

Santa hats were roughly 200k when I first started, now they're millions, thats about a 1000% increase. Santa's arn't rare enough for that to be a realistic price.

this could never work it would make too many people angry, and this adds realism to the game, ultimately very useless items being sold at a very high price. and the manipulation on the boards can be translated into false advertisement. this is a real life issue so it shouldnt be fixed. not to mention if some people have played longer theyer the ones who have them not newer players (unless they watch an experienced player die with several phats) so its kinda an award to older more experienced players

 

Also, it's not true what you said about merchanters making prices go up extra. Rares aren't called 'rare' for no reason. They are just that and will become more of it all that time. Rares only get rarer due to various reasons which are commonly known. Although these effects are all long-term, they do drive up the prices in the end too, and prices of rares wouldn't have been much lower without merchants. *note: I'm not saying price manipulators make the rares overpriced, as they actually do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do I have the strangest feeling that if rares were allowed to grow in price of their own accord, and not manipulated and forced up, then they'd still be around the prices when I first joined?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Santa hats were roughly 200k when I first started, now they're millions, thats about a 1000% increase. Santa's arn't rare enough for that to be a realistic price.

Because your IQ is equal to a tenth of your age? :roll:

 

First of all, there really doesn't need to be a fix to rares themselves, as they aren't the cause of inflation. Second of all, people who have a party hat set (or any set of any type of rare) and wouldn't want to sell them would just make as many newb accounts as necessary to each hold a party hat on, to avoid having to trade them off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Goes and creates 100 characters or so.. :roll:*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To Y2g2003: Although I know you mean it right you should not try to generalize.. What price manipulators do shouldn't be considered merchanting at all - even though people consider it like that. It's basically

 

 

 

based on the (not much different and very old) *team scam.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, it's not true what you said about merchanters making prices go up extra. Rares aren't called 'rare' for no reason. They are just that and will become more of it all that time. Rares only get rarer due to various reasons which are commonly known. Although these effects are all long-term, they do drive up the prices in the end too, and prices of rares wouldn't have been much lower without merchants. *note: I'm not saying price manipulators make the rares overpriced, as they actually do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Team scam: You let a friend yell "buying pumpkin 10mil" and you yell "selling pumpkin 5mil" yourself.

While I agree with you saying these people technically aren't merchants, its just easier to classify them that. Because thats what most of them claim to be.

What I was indirectly getting at is... Rares should gradually be going up as they literally become rare. Not because of a bunch of kids standing in Falador World 2 that just want to make a quick buck. If players can't play nice, they problem should be cut off right at the head. And that would be the rares themselves.

And I'm not suggesting any solution is the right solution as some of you might be thinking, but I'd much rather see the game without price manipulators. If that would mean destroying the rares market in some form or another... then I say so be it.

And I agree with Mayjest on the issue of the prices. Prices would remain the same if the manipulators hadn't of fooled around with them.

since im so obviously the misinformed one here...and your the expert...ill ask you, y2g. If price manipulators are the biggest problem, which everyone seems to be aware of, then why are they continually effective? What do you consider price manipulation? Buying low and selling high? thats sensible and honest. The team scamming someone discribed above? thats dishonest and manipulative, but could easily be avoided by knowing the price of an object, and knowing if something seems fishy. I may be way off base, as you said, since all my information regarding this issue has been gleaned off these forums and coupled with common sense. Please, i am curious, what do you consider price manipulation?

And you said the prices would remain the same. That is just plain wrong. There is a limited amount of them, and there arent gonna be anymore. If there are more and more people on runescape everyday, yet the same, possibly fewer, amount of rares, then how could the prices stay the same? The demand would exced the supply, and prices would rise, naturally, over time

its demand and supply let it happen I mean does the whole phat and santa thing directly prevent you from playing the game in anyway and if so then please elaborate cause I'm fairly certain that uless you have a phobia to hats, partys, or santas (SANTA IS EVIL). then this whole area shouldnt directly affect you...and if you want to see prices drop then every one who sees this STOP BUYING PHATS AND OTHER RARES AND THE PRICE WILL PLUMET IN A MONTH but everyone must stop

now about santa being evil SANTA SATAN see how similar coincidence I THINK NOT

He eats your cookies and hes a pervert he sees you when your sleeping. he wants small children to sit on his lap so he can slide down their chimney and stuff their stockings!!! and those elves are slaves

I rest my case firmly on the grounds of santa being evil