Blaze The Movie Fan Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Real-world_trading By no means would I ever dream of breaking one of RuneScape's rules, but I have to call out on the hypocrisy of that rule. You are given the option of buying keys for the treasure chest, for REAL money. How the heck does that not count as real-world trading? If they claim to enforce that rule, they shouldn't give players the option of using real world cash to get keys for the treasure trails. This is a huge hypocrisy which I must point out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 You're about three years late to this discussion, but basically yes. 3 "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Movie Fan Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 Yeah, I know this has been discussed a lot in the past, but I do feel it's still relevant though since despite the fact that you can buy treasure keys the rule is still here. That hasn't changed since three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The kicker was really when they removed this paragraph in April 2012: We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape. 1 "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 That hasn't changed since three years ago.Put simply, the rule refers to player-to-player trades. 2 I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Movie Fan Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 That hasn't changed since three years ago.Put simply, the rule refers to player-to-player trades. And how exactly does that make the rule any less hypocritical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 And how exactly does that make the rule any less hypocritical? 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements. It can't make it less hypocritical, because it's already not hypocritical. You're assuming that Jagex is on the same level as you, and that they abide by the same rules as you do. They are not. They create the game. They offer you the opportunity to play the game, and what demands they have of you. There is no hypocrisy because there are no virtues, principles, or publicly approved attitudes. This is a contract between the two of you. 1 From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stev Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Well now, technically Mod MMG said, "You can not take your credit card and effectively buy GP or XP from the Squeal of Fortune [now Treasure Hunter]."Y'all are imagining things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurrDurr Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Yes, this rule does exist. Yes, the mods basically ignore this rule now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Movie Fan Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 If the rule is not referring to using real dollars to buy treasure keys, why even call the rule "real-world trading"? Wouldn't a better title for the rule be no trading through third-party software? Alright, maybe that isn't exactly fitting, but the name of the rule should change to a name that's more fitting. If the title of the rule would change, I guarantee I won't think of it as hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Because the rule has always been about one player trading real world currency to another player for in-game goods, because players don't own in-game items. Those are Jagex's property, and by RWT-ing you are selling things that aren't yours and making money off somebody else's intellectual property, which is illegal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Levelled Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm glad we are beating this dead horse again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Movie Fan Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Because the rule has always been about one player trading real world currency to another player for in-game goods, because players don't own in-game items. Those are Jagex's property, and by RWT-ing you are selling things that aren't yours and making money off somebody else's intellectual property, which is illegal. I am willing to admit you got me here. In that case there is nothing that fits it more than calling it real world trading. Yeah that is a legitimate reason for calling it real world trading. For example if I own a movie on DVD or Blu-Ray that only means I own a physical copy, it doesn't mean I have the rights to do what I want with it. The same applies to RuneScape membership. I no longer feel they're hypocritical. It was my mistake to not see how the discussion three years ago ended. But can you really blame me? Nobody feels like digging up old posts to see that. I'm glad we are beating this dead horse again Don't worry I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essiw Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 ^you can better compare it to renting a DVD as you don't owe anything on runescape. Your character, items in-game money all belongs to jagex. http://sign.tip.it/1/2/79/260/essiw.png Retired item crew I would like to be credited as essiw at the website update & corrections forum. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Movie Fan Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 ^you can better compare it to renting a DVD as you don't owe anything on runescape. Your character, items in-game money all belongs to jagex. Not entirely though, if I made a video showing my stuff and call it mine, Jagex won't even mind. The example of buying a DVD/Blu-Ray works just as well as renting. If you own something on DVD/Blu-Ray it doesn't mean you can freely upload clips of the movie or TV show. The movie itself is still a property of the movie company. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Yeah technically they won't mind because you are sanctioned under the law "Fair Use" which means that although you are taking video with their graphics and game, you are also adding on your content to it and using it for educational/entertainment purposes. Technically if you want to take a small clip from a movie and use it in conjunction with something else you are producing it may be okay, but it's kind of a grey area. Whether or not you stand to make a profit off such an endeavor would also effect it. Of course you you would have to clarify the source as well, not claim the clip as your own. "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze The Movie Fan Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm not sure why we're even continuing this discussion. I admitted I screwed up, there is nothing else to say. Could a mod or an admin close this thread as the discussion is over? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Locking as requested. "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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