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Already we have to chop forests to get farming land. Don't know an English name for it, but it's really popular in Africa to burn down the forests to get a good farming land. This would be ok if they let the forest to recover for say 15-25 years. Now they are pretty much forced to burn it every year (and burn more areas) to get a place where to farm. The world population has increased dramatically past few centuries. Here's some statistic: 1 billion in 1804 2 billion in 1927 3 billion in 1960 4 billion in 1974 5 billion in 1987 6 billion in 1999 Look how fast it has grown. Now it has slightly slowed down, but it's still growing really fast. It won't take long to reach 7 billion people. When too many people try to share too small land, there will be a natural disaster. This already happened at the Easter Islands. You're saying there's enough food and medicines for everyone? If every American and European started to eat half less than they are doing now and donating the half to Africa, there's still be tens of millions people without enough food. Medicines are even harder. Now it seems that even the great and powerful USA doesn't have enough medicines when they really are needed. Call me a racist or whatever you want, but at least I'm not going to give a single penny when the Red Cross or some other organisation collects money to help hungry Africans. Why? Because for me it's the same thing as trying to kill Mother Gaia.

Did you even read what I had posted in that link? You probably didnt', I mainly focused what happened on other parts of Europe.

And that's the ticket. The crusades were a *brainless* following of the Bible's words - it makes the crusades invalid, *not* the Bible. But if we start looking at it, the reason can be found from the Bible ;) Of course the Bible tells you not to kill, not steal and other things like that. That means that if the Bible was obeyed from word to word, we wouln't need to think about the violent crusaders now :P My point was that if you take it literally, the world would be greated in 7 days and it would be "a bit" newer thing that it actually is ;) That era/age thing was new for me. Yes, something else would be a better translation for that word than "day". Anyways, here's another good example of a translation which is misleading ;)

It's always dangerous when you are following something like a brainless zombie. I never said that Bible was the only "dangerous" book. When you believe that the Bible is the only fact, you will cross with problems. Things can be understood many different ways. What happened in 1054? When different religious leaders had understood few things different way, the whole church split into 2 different parts and "cursed" each other. What about the crusades? There's a part which goes something like "go and make every folk part of Jesus Christ" (again, I only have a Finnish version of the bible. Look Mt. 28: 18- 20 ). They weren't just to baptise "pagan" people. For example thousands of Baltic and Finnish people were killed. I wrote more about them at http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=294313& postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45 Crusades can be seen as a brainless following of the Bible's words. Look at the Bible. Are we all sinned just because Eve ate an apple from a forbitten tree? Don't know how good it actually is for your mental balance, but at least I don't believe that I'm sinned. What even is sin? When a baby borns sick and is going to die within few minutes, is it going to hell because it's sinned? I already gave you an example of Lucifer. That's pretty big mistake if you ask me. The word Lucifer means lightbringer and it comes from the word Lux (=light) and Ferous (=bringer/to bring). In Greek manuscript there was a word 'phos-phoros' for lightbringer. Hieronymus translated it into Lucifer and through the centuries a metamorphosis happened and the lightbringer turned into a fallen angel. Also the thing that Jesus used Aramea, evangels wrote it in Greek and now you are using an English (and I am Finnish) version can cause slight conflicts. Actually there are few things said differently even in the first Finnish bible (written in 1642) and the current one. May I ask you do you believe blindly in the Bible? How old is the world? edit: Just saw your last chapter. You can forget my last question :P

Basically the Bible is just a book with stories and taughts. It's not a history book with exact facts. Genesis for example can't be taken as it was a fact, not even if mr George believes in it. Understanding it literally is really dangerous (same with any other "holy" books, not only the Bible) because chain our thoughts. The current version of the Bible is really different to the "original" one. New translations, normal humanly mistakes and others have made the story totally different. Actually if we really go "deep" in this subject, we can say that Lucifer is actually Jesus. Hieronymus made a mistake when he translated a hebrean/old latin word "morning star, the son of the dawn" (don't know exact English names, so I gotta translate Finnish words. ) into Lucifer. By the time with new translations, Lucifer started to live his own life. This is just one example how the story has changed past the centuries. I'm not saying that the Bible is totally useless story book. It isn't, there are quite a few "handy things" there which we should actually "obey". I'm just saying that we shouldn't take it from word to word.

Now we just need to reduce the power of the Pope's words. After it this world is a better place to live.

Basically true. The biggest problem in world is overpopulation. If there was less people, there'd be enough food and clean water for everyone. If there was 2-3 billion people less in this world, there would be enough food for every single person. The biggest problem is in Africa (and some parts of Asia and South America) where more and more people come to this world. Science isn't bad. More medicines make sure that we don't need to suffer here. It's just the thing that we shouldn't keep everyone alive. Basically problem is who should we keep or who not. My "dream" would be a new black plague which killed like 1/3 of world population. This way there would be enough resources to keep everyone alive and healthy. Just make it sure that every family would get only like 2,1-2,5 kids. This wouldn't be an impossible task. Just make taxes somehow to relate (Sorry for my bad English at this part) with the amount of kids. If you have no children, you pay bigger taxes. If you have more than 3 kids, you pay bigger taxes. So easy. Of course 1 "extra" child wouldn't become really expensive for a family, but like 3 "accidental" children would become expensive. Of course some religious groups wouldn't agree with me at this section.

The world is already suffering from overpopulation. There's not enough food, clean water or medicines for over 6 billion people and our population is still growing fast. Now the nature is trying to harvest unneeded people. At least I believe it turns out to be a good thing in a long run if this turns out to be a real killer flu. Btw there has been bird flu in Rumania, so Europe (where I live) isn't safe either.

Oo Wild fans here :P What do you think of Mikko Koivu?

Can't wait to see Flyers playing. Forsberg, Primeau, Carter... Huge defencemen... This year we'll win the cup. 8)

Well it's easy. My ashes will go to the sea or buried somewhere. Basically everything just stops and that's it.

finnish english swedish some german (forgot quite a lot of it) spanish (just started studying it, only know some basics like me hablo fin̮̩̉̉s :P )

Umm... Lumby was a safety zone where you couldn't fight each other. Only exception was lumby basement (and probably towers), people tried to lure noobs there :P

Anyone wanna recomment me a new game? My comp is pretty bad (1,1ghz, 256mb ram and 8mb video card) so at least WoW and Knight Online are too "good" for me. Back to the topic. Yea Rs since 2001 and still playing it quite a lot. Gotta admit at times it gets boring. I once tested Ogre Island and I swear I'll never touch it again. It didn't only look bad, but also was bad :P Btw anyone here play AW? I wanna hear something about it.

Read the stickies next time, there's no better guide than this one: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=254629

Catholism is one of the biggest Christian branches. I saw some numbers, but can't remember exactly. When we start arguing about Christianity, should we concentrate on *every* branch or just the major ones? The Pope is now "hot" as we just got a new one, so why not to discuss about him? Also some centuries ago Catholism and Orthodoxism were the only major branches. All protestant branches have their roots on Catholism. Yes we talked about Finland and I don't get your idea there. Christianity was brought here with swords and our soil was messed up with pagan blood. Yes they were sent by the Pope, but it doesn't change the fact that our culture was destroyed, huge amounts of my ancestors were slaughtered just because they worshipped Tapio instead of Jesus. Btw we haven't been a catholic country for centuries. We've been a lutheric country for over 500 years longer than an independed country. These argues about the Pope being an antichrist are pretty hilarious imo. Basically all the branches are the same thing with different spices, but still they have to argue about things like that. In Christianity you always talk about how you should love everyone, even your enemies. Still you are calling the leader of one of the biggest brances an antichrist. If you can't even love other Christians and show respect towards their leader, are you a real Christian? Not only the muslims. Crusaders went also to the Baltics, France and even Finland! First ones were to stop muslims, but soon they ended up their defence and started to attack. In 1095 the emperor of Byzantium asked help from Pope (urbanus the second or something) and he got pretty excited. In 1099 crusaders took Jerusalem from muslims. Islam had been found like 400-500 years earlier at those areas and Jerusalem was an important place for them (and for jews too, who were there before Christians!) too. Christians were one of the 3 major religions to whom Jerusalem was important and what did they do? They found a kingdom on Jerusalem (not 100% sure about English name for it) and basically turned it into a Christian country. Taking over a place of 3 different religions and turning it into their own country. Sounds pretty fishy to me. How about the 4th crusade? First Christians planned to take over Egypt, but they ended up taking over Constantinople. It's end wasn't beautiful Also during this crusade they attacked against an old Venician city (now part of Hungary) which was (at least in Finnish) called Zara. The leader of those crusades was from that city and it was only for personal things. The place was Christian. Later they started doing crusades to places which were meant to be saved from paganish tribes. For example French heretics were slaughtered and they for sure weren't going to dethrone Christianity or support Islam. This was because they wanted to make Europe a Christian continent. For same reason they attacked Baltics and Finland. Our Finnish religion wasn't a threat to Christianity. There was really few of us, we lived in small tribes and our country was more like a wilderness than a real modern european country. Tallinn in Estonia was more modern because of hansa traders, but southern Estonia was pretty much like Finland in those days. What happened after Americas were found? What happened to Oceania's islands? Their original cultures were replaced by Christian culture. It usually went like this; they found a new "paganish" island, sent a priest and few soldiers there and after 30 years the island was Christian. An original culture was gone. When other religion was threatening Christianity, they started crusades. When Christianity threatened other religions, it was ok. Basically in the name of Christianity many things are done which haven't been accepted. When same things have been done by other parties, it hasn't been ok. Christianity talks about nice things how everyone should love each other and such, but still when you look at things they've done you can only wonder.

I had an expression that John Paul II didn't affect that much on the freedom of our south neightbours, but I believe you there. Anyways he was monstly running freedom for Poland. Personally I think it's wrong, after all he was here to run a religion, not to do politics. I respect him for fighting his homeland, but I don't respect the way how he should do it. So many millions peopele follow him and think the way he wants them to think, it's scary when he can affect to so many people's minds and convince them to believe what he think is right in politics. Hahhah, jevovas rock :) Few times talked with them when they wanted to discuss about the truth at my door. It's funny how they believe that's true because it's written in bible (their bible isn't identical to "real" Christians' bible) and the bible is lord's words. Can't really argue with them as they believe blindly in it. I know it's their duty to walk from door to door and spread the Lord's words and not all of them are happy (well of course they don't admit it) to do it, but still it's pretty depressing how they so strongly believe in those words and then try to spread it to people who really don't want to hear. If I wanted to hear the "truth", I'd go to them. Btw once asked one Jehova if I could get his home address so I could come there to discuss about my own religion and such. Didn't get it, wonder why...

Who or what has definated how you read it "right" between the lines? The Pope? What if I understand something completely other way that the "official" story? Am I right when I say something completely other than it's been officially taught? Let's look at orthodox and catholic church. Some years (ok centuries) ago they argued about how to believe "right" and then split&cursed each other. They believed in same thing, but they showed their believe other way. Please tell me what's a sin. Don't start arguing how all of us felt to sin when Eva made a mistake. This is one of the biggest weaknesses (but not the only) imo in Christianity. Everyone are sinned by them, you have sin when you come to this world. Doesn't make sense. Why do you think Jesus died for our sins? What made him the son of God? If only belief is enough to be saved, why do we have to praise Jesus and show our belief? IMO Christianity is nothing but a brainwash. Almost exactly 1000 years ago the came here in Finland (a bit later than Norway and Sweden, mainly because of geological things. Anyways same thing happened there.) and they "forced" people to believe in Christ. You had 2 choices, either sword or the Bible. Tens of thousands Finns (we were pretty small "country" back in those days, basically it would be the same as 1m Englishmen in these days) were killed because we didn't accept their religion. Most (there's few left) of our holy places were destroyed and then churches were build on them. How would you feel if we burnt your fancy churches and built our own holy buildings on them? Of course you'd be mad. Also many traditions were "forgotten" because they were pagan. Which religion has caused the most death? Correct! Christianity. Back in the Middle Ages they stroke against Muslims because they were afraid their "only real and right" religion was in danger. Millions of others (aboriginal tribes in Africa, North and South America, Oceania, Northern and eastern Europe) were killed because they didn't want to change their old and traditional religion to this new one. In the middle of 14th century the God wasn't happy (sarcasm if you didn't get it) and sent us a "flu" called black plague. Christians blamed jews for it, mainly because percentually less jews died. The main reason that in Christianity it was almost a sin to wash yourself. Hygienics weren't that important for Christians. Christians also produced the first chemical weapons: They infested their enemies' wells with dead bodies (died to the plague). Yep, we sure care about each other, pretty ironical how Christians talk about loving each other and same time kill millions and millions of people in the name of God. Ok enough of historical things, let's look at Christianity today. The old Pope died some time ago, so let's talk about him first. Basically he was a politician. He (as being a pole) was really wanting an independed Poland, but didn't say a word about other Sovient Union's countries like Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia. Why? Because he wasn't born there. He only wanted to see his country independed. I don't blame him for that, but is it right that someone who is followed because he is the "leader" of a religion goes into political things? We could also have millions less dead Africans without his words about condoms. Is it right that there's what like 10-15 children in every African family, people die at average on age 30-40 because of hiv, AIDS or the lack of food? Why did he let the families grow (means less educational possibilities, more food needed, etc) and aids spread? Some weeks ago I was Tuska festivals, a 3 day metal music festival in the middle of Helsinki. Guess what did I see there. That's right, Christians (not even Jehovan witnesses) with their bibles, some printed pages and such. According to them I was going to worship the devil, not listen to good music. Is this how you think is right? I can't enjoy of things I like because according to you it's devil worshipping? Some decades ago young Christians were thinking is dancing a sin. Some Christians won't have sex before marriage. Isn't that like denying the fact that we need sex? It's part of our emotional life. Personally I don't believe in God or Satan. Christianity brough Satan to this world and basically satanism (as a religion, not as a philosophy) Christianity. Without Christianity there would be no satanism. I'm still part of the lutheric church, but that's only because our twisted system has put me into it because of my parents. They don't believe in Jesus either, they are just part of it because everyone is. I've planned to be parted from the church in few years. I've been thinking about it since I was at confirmation camp 3 years ago. Please give answers to my questions, this might become an interesting discussion.

Tell me something so embarrasing that I would say "no" to a big pile of pure cash. Of course I'd do it :P

It's real, but "few" years old :P I still got the uncropped pic somewhere at http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/vanhoi

Great guide here :shock: Gonna use this one when I decide to level farming a bit more.

But Mad, you can never know what kind of a monster Dusqi is in real life :shock: Nah just kidding, hope you 2 have fun together :)

Hahha Gas merchanted ages at Varrock and didn't for sure dupe. He had loads of phats and the day dupe came he sold many as he noticed the great amount of phats coming to Varrock. He duped as many phats as you did and I'm pretty positive you were like lvl 30 with no idea about the game.

Rsc is making hardly any profit, so they'd probably close it rather than start putting more efford to it. If Jagex gave player mods (let's say you must have been a pmod for what like 4months) an ability to ban rsc autoers, it would help a lot.