beond, zzt, blender and Pyro, you do not like reading do you? quite a few of these programs are 100% programming/scripting required. If they were 100% programming required they wouldnt be game maker programs :roll: why me, and people with......... I could wright a Java compiler, and call it a game maker. Why do not you actually look at a few of them, befor breaking out the :roll: I'm very well aware how programs like the one you list work, and that there are quite a few that are fairly complicated. Heck, I've learned several scripting languages for game makers. It was a waste of time. Scripting is very different from "real" programming. Yup, I agree with everything said. None of these games are original and there's a million out there.