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Right; so most of the items produced in F2P are given to the P2P economy-- thereby, the price in F2P is always the same, unless something in the P2P economy changes; eg: a new skill. So... as all of the items produced in F2P are sold to P2P, this so-called economy of F2P is moreso a 'half-arsed' economy, that just sells stuff to better another?

Steel is in high demand for contstruction (a members skill), mith is not. Normal logs are used in fletching- another members skill. maybe check up on your members knowledge before complaining about economy? Yes. I am aware of the interlink between F2P and P2P. This is the second time I've said this. However, I don't understand why normal logs are sold to OTHER F2PERS for 100 GP each, or why steel maintains it's high price even for F2Pers. and I don't understand why people don't even TRY and make a profit out of mith.

Money is now a lot easier to make than 2, 3 or 4 years ago. No matter do you start from scratch or have some skills already. Few reasons why money making gets easier: * Nature runes require 44 runecrafting. That takes you around 1 day to get if you work hard. Because of high alching there's huge demand for some so getting rid of them isn't too hard either. * Woodcutting requires almost no clicking at all. Yew and especially magic logs got really good demand. Getting level high enough for yews might take a couple of days, but it isn't that hard work. The list goes on. Moneymaking is easy as long as you know which ways to use. You can always hide behind the excuses that "I don't have..." or "It is..." but face the truth: money making is easy, the only thing that slows your moneymaking can be found when you watch at the mirror. You say that, but there isn't a single spot in Runescape F2P, where you can cut yews, due to the 50 autoers surrounding them. PS: Nature crafting is P2P, not F2P. My complaints are about the F2P Economy, I haven't even been on P2P, so I am not aware whether there is a problem or not.

It's called inflation and has been going on forever, it's less of an issue these days however. It is inflation, yes; but money is staying just as hard to make. It'll eventually get to the point where new users will have to spend months earning that 60 million GP to be considered rich.

I do still think there is a problem with the ecomony though. Even 1 million GP isn't considered rich anymore. You have to have 7, or 10 million to be considered rich. Back when I started playing Runescape, 1 Mil was a lot. For everyone. Not just the newbies, the veterans, too.

Mining, to 60 (57 at current) Smithing to 50 (47 at current) It's taking an awfully long time.

I'm not moaning about how the ecomony isn't perfectly suited for me, merely pointing out that there are several things disrupting the economy. One, is high-alchers... They're making GP out of nothing, which is constantly throwing more and more into the economy. Second are autoers, bots, and the likes-- I could probably get a program, and by morning, be selling 50000 Steel Bars... Thereby, hitting the economy real hard. There are others, too; but I really don't want to turn this thread into a topic full of whining.

People dont want mith bars... they want steel, steel is faster and better xp per bar. Also, its easier to sell a steel plate, than it is to sell a mith dagger. Steel plates are take lower smithing lvls then mith stuff, and since people with high smithing are rare, steel just works out better. 8-) Ah, of course. I completely forgot about the XP side of things. However, if everyone smiths steel bars- surely the increase of steel in the Runescape economy would make the price drop? Or does it not work that way? I'm too used to playing on Neopets, I'm afraid. It's nothing to laugh at, though. It's just as "sad" [i use that term lightly] as Runescape. The economy there increases and decreases prices (street and mainshop) according to the amount of those items in the open market.

My word. Are the flames really necessary? I am not narcissistic. You can take my word for that. The economy is run by twelve years olds and bots-- I personally consider that to be a problem. Haven't you noticed all the yew-autoers and lobster-autoers? That *must* impact the economy negatively. Think your points through, before you post. The economy is not *fine*, if the economy was fine, we'd have no autoers, and the prices of everything would be higher (or back at it's original state, before autoing became a "trend"). If you can't debate your view like a gentleman, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting at all?

Yes, I am well aware of the whole supply and demand situation. However, my question is, WHY isn't there a high demand for mithril? Forget about cannonballs, pretend P2P doesn't exist. I know the F2P and P2P economies are interweaved, but how come steel is sold to OTHER F2P users for 600 each? Why does no one even attempt to make a profit out of mith? I personally believe the reason is there are more new users, than there are veterans... People get sick of runescape when they get to a certain level, and leave... While another 2 newbies joins, therefore, deflating the price of higher-level armours, but inflating that of low-level armours. I personally can't trust seven years olds running the economy. I like Runescape, but I don't like the unstable economy. I was merely pointing out that it's pretty insecure, and things are bound to crash eventually. Multiple accounts is another thing... When Jagex says they have 'one million users' or whatever, how many of those are ALT accounts? My younger brother has around five accounts, each of which a pure in something. That must inflate the price of low-level armours and items, when users have several alt accounts. It'd just mess up the economy. Blah.

Which is what confuses me. You can't have two seperate runescapes! F2P can't make cannonballs, so it's just disrupting the F2P economy. My actual point was Mith works out cheaper than steel, despite taking longer to mine, and more coal to make. I would have thought the more rare the item, the higher the price. (!!?)

Seriously. What is going on here? Iron: 100 Iron Bars: 150 Steel Bars: 600 Coal: 175 Mithril: 375 Mithril Bars: 1K Iron Ore = 100 GP. 100 GP, alright, fair enough. Iron Bars = 150 GP... Okay, 50 GP for the time it takes it smith, fair enough. Steel Bars = (2*175)+100 = They should be priced around 450 GP, maybe +100 for the whole time it takes. Mithril = 375.. Alright, rare ore, fair enough. Mithril Bars = (4*175)+375= 1075 -- Note, they make only 30GP profit from making mithril bars, that doesn't make sense. Why is the most profit make out of steel? Mithril is hard to come by, as the profit made from it is so little. What is wrong the the economy, all the prices are awkward, and everything is going haywire-- I saw someone buying normal logs for 100 GP EACH!!! Discuss.

Using the word 'noob' a bannable offense. Better more accurate censor. More mature moderators. Not so many under-12 users.

It would make it too easy for autoers.

Cheers! To both of you. To string the amulets, I have to make a ball of wool and use it with the ammy, right?

What jewels would be in these amulets, so I don't make the wrong sort by accident? hehe.

I'm F2P. Is Enchanting a F2P or P2P feature? What jewellary can I enchant, if F2P?

Strength.. Bigger hits, etc. Then get attack to around 70.

I'm free to play, I didnt mention this before.

"Not much" Well, what IS there? If there is not much, then there is at least something. :P Lobsters? Runecrafting?! or what?

how helpful :? I consider it to be rather helpful, yes. There is no use earning money, if you risk your account being banned. ;) So It's quite good advice, really.

Right, so what I'm doing is a good idea. Okay. Any other ways to earn money, in case I get bored of this?

I have 280K. Those are my stats. For a while, I was buying coal, and mining Iron, smithing, and selling the bars. Is there any other methods open to me? Would buying coal, mining iron, smithing, and then smelting into plate bodies be an option, once I am at the correct level? Would that bring in a fair deal of money?

I'd also reccomend not getting yourself banned in the first place.

... There is no point me doing that, because I'll still have to mine and smith, rendering the whole 'quick leveling' idea useless.