i really think that this post had little to do with the actual discussion, if the f2ps are happy with what they have thats a problem for jagex. No it isnt, f2p still contribute to the game, jagex doesnt really care if they have some pure f2pers, when the game came out they didnt even have p2p, and we got by just fine without it, jagex knows that without f2p p2p will fail, so they dont mind if people want to stay f2p, its keeps the numbers up and looks good on paper. Whats looks better: Runescape an online role playing game with 2 million players. or Runescape an online role playing game with 800,000 subscribers. I know which one id use to advertise. you make very good arguments 123yourgone -.-