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I think the President deserves to be impeached for his handling of Benghazi. Now there is proof that they knew of the attack while it was in progress, they had the resources to substantially fight back less than 2 hours away, but for hours they did nothing allowing 4 people to be killed. Not to mention the administration covered it up and lied for 2 weeks about some video on youtube. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/24/the-real-benghazi-scandal/ http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benghazi-scandal_654410.html http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/lies-scandal-and-politics-benghazi/

Continuing on the Alice in Wonderland theme, I present the Cheshire Cat. [hide] [/hide] I think I'll try Alice next, the Mad Hatter and maybe a few momeraths. If you have any character requests (and have a good image to convert!), please post them.

I think Trump wants to show that Obama was a poor student.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVSfw5TPkos As funny as the comment might have been (I thought it became pretty condescending), it seems Obama may be the one that doesn't understand the military. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/in-defense-of-bayonets-horses-5-problems-with-the-presidents-zinger-last-night/

I think the President had a few more digs in at Romney, but in the end Romney accomplished what he wanted to accomplish: not screw up. Romney agreeing with the President made it difficult for the President to contrast and make his foreign policy look better - in effect neutralizing any advantage he may have. Romney looked more like an incumbent President than Mr. Obama. I doubt this debate will shift opinion in the polls.

I'm having fun with this game. The Next Post will include the next 5 songs the poster listens to at random (Pandora / music player on shuffle or similar).

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Last debate over. Moderator did a decent job. Other people's thoughts? E: Time - President spoke for 42:11, Governor spoke for 41:30. Interesting that the incumbents spoke longer during all 4 debates.

I watched Silence of the Lambs. It was twisted, but was good enough to make me want to watch its sequel. Which was a bad decision. TNPW be made by someone with a display name of 6 characters or less.

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The Federal government should only have two responsibilities - Paying for a strong military, and preventing women from having abortions. Everyone should be taxed the same amount, not percentage but amount. Everyone in the American media is biased against conservatives. I imagine OT thinks those are my beliefs. The next post will be made during an odd minute (1, 3, 5...).

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Immediately before he used the word terror, he talked about the world trade center attacks, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "No acts of terror" is non-specific, doesn't particularly refer to what happened in Libya. Also, it's a moot point because for two weeks after that, the administration talked about how a random youtube video incited protests and then spontaneous riots (specifically denying a terrorist attack) in Libya, which was an outright lie. That's like saying referees in a football game are biased towards one side because the other team got more penalties. Without a complete breakdown of the interruptions that statistic means nothing. "I'm going to chose to ignore this statistic because it doesn't fit my narrative." This isn't a football game. The only real "penalty" a candidate could have is going over the time limit, but even after she called the President out on it, she still didn't enforce it. That's not what I said at all. You said that she interrupted Romney more times than Obama as if that had any bearing at all. With no context, that statistic has no meaning. Maybe Romney spoke out of turn more or got away from the topic more often - that statistic in and of itself doesn't actually shed any light on whether or not the moderator was biased. Also, if memory serves, there were several points where Romney and Crawley were talking over each other and interrupted each other numerous times while Obama was quiet - were those occasions counted separately in this figure? You just posted a number as if it meant something without providing any kind of background to go with it. So sarcastically quote me all you want, the fact is that the statistic you quoted is not actually indicative of bias at all. I can go through the debate and identify each and every time she interrupted, but that still probably wouldn't convince you that she was biased. I can easily identify three times when Romney was making a point that was devastating against the President, and immediately after she changed the topic. 1 - When Romney was pointing out that the President was hypocritical and had investments in China too, she changed the topic 2 - When Romney was pointing out the failures of the President's administration with regards to Fast and Furious, she redirected the topic to some arbitrary point about assault weapons. 3 - When Romney was pointing out the President's misinformation on Libya, she intervened and killed the point. I challenge you to find counter examples to this bias, either where the moderator specifically helped Romney or specifically hurt Obama, because I don't think they exist.

That's like saying referees in a football game are biased towards one side because the other team got more penalties. Without a complete breakdown of the interruptions that statistic means nothing. "I'm going to chose to ignore this statistic because it doesn't fit my narrative." This isn't a football game. The only real "penalty" a candidate could have is going over the time limit, but even after she called the President out on it, she still didn't enforce it.

Fortunately for Romney, his likability rating isn't what's keeping this election close.

I'd tell you my opinion who won, but I don't think you'd care. I can, however, point out things that went on during the debates. But as to who won, I'll take their words for it: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/luntz_focus_group_of_mostly_former_obama_voters_switch_to_romney.html

When the President used "acts of terror" in his speech, it was non-specific (notice plural, not singular), and 3/4ths of the way through the speech. The President and his administration called it a demonstration against a youtube video / riot for the 2 weeks following the attack. The ambassador to the U.N. went on 5 television shows the Sunday afterwards and said it was definitely not a terrorist attack. The President went on the View, Letterman, and even in his speech to the U.N. he blamed the video. I'd call it an outright lie, and the moderator's "fact check" was a lie. The transcript from the Rose Garden the morning after: [hide] THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger. Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts. Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died. It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps. Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home. Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe. No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done. But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity. We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children. Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America. [/hide]

Obama lied then, and then the moderator covered for him. She then walked back her statement in an interview later, saying Romney was right, but he chose "the wrong word." Yeah, Romney did pretty well considering it was 2 on 1. More evidence of this - the moderator interrupted Romney 28 times, while only interrupting the President 9 times. 3 of those times for the President was to tell him that his 2 minutes were up, but ended letting him continue anyway.

Unofficial time is 43:00 for the President and about 41:00 for Mr. Romney. I feel like Romney had a few opportunities to slam the President but missed them. When discussing the permits for drilling, I don't think that Romney should have engaged with the President. The two things that I was surprised about, but pleased is that Libya and Fast and Furious were brought up. Both are major scandals for the current administration.

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Engaging doesn't mean interrupting. That's the reason each candidate talks in turn for short amounts of time - so they can engage.

Or that he was rude... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa16wBG9J78 Being polite is waiting for your turn to speak. You can verbally/intellectually smack someone down all day long in a debate, and as long as you're waiting your turn to speak, you're polite. Seemed like any time Ryan was making a point, Biden started talking to confuse it.

Not sure who of you watched the VP debate, but I thought Biden was just plain rude. I think the final count was that Biden interrupted Ryan about 82 times during Ryan's allotted 2 minute responses. The impartial consensus seems to be that if you read a transcript of the debate, it was even, if you listened to it on a radio, Biden was more dominant and authoritative, and won, but since the thing was on T.V., Biden made an ass out of himself by smiling and laughing through the entire thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QlwilbVYvUg Its party time chumps.

Whenever I see "Haters gonna hate," I'm now tempted to post, "trolls gonna troll."