this topic has gone on for 9 pages now, and could go on all the way until january when summoning comes. some exceltent points were made on both sides of the issue. but i think i have found a middle ground that we cann all agree is much simpler, wait for the update! argue all you please, but is there a need to flame? be at peace with one another and enjoy the holidays till january. then is the best time to debate.