Inuashakent

Wait, are you serious? You tried to get the top item, and because you failed you get nothing? OMG. Wow, Jagex got to fix that! Do you people just rant at everything, or is there something you are trying to achieve...?

... Are you taking these stupid babies seriously...? There are basically more rants than any other section of Runescape discussion on the RSOF, and at least half of it is spam. They don't even know how the system works, which is obviously why they aren't obtaining any good loot...

Don't use a DFS, use a defender on all tasks except scarabs. Don't use a unicorn, use a combat familiar. In the end, however, combat xp doesn't really matter. It's all about Slayer xp, especially because people who get 99 combat stats through Slayer are going for 99 Slayer... That's why cannon is so great for Slayer. He got that high of an xp rate because of cobmat familiars. Qeltars a mile yard but an inch deep, so his rates are going to be off. Especially with something like charms... they do require a couple hundred at least, while he did (most likely, in all honesty) a slayer task or two. There is also locations that give you 2 cannons instead of 1, but that only gives range xp, not melee. Slayer is a whole skill in itself, and I don't see how you can truely compare with other methods of training. Obviously, people who are trying to achieve higher levels should train Slayer. Other combat methods are just a waste of time, unless you are purposely avoiding that skill. I'm not saying he's exaggerating, but it is definetely at LEAST very hard to achieve his rates. I even said he's not exaggerating. Seriously, he calls "distractions" 1% every hour, which translates into 30 seconds/hour. Seriously, when I'm "distracted" I lose... 20 minutes per hour? :lol: (Obviously most people don't get distracted this much. ;) ) Dream, what you did wrong was that you didn't calculate in Slayer xp. Also, other methods (you did your math wrong.) is better in ALL aspects, besides Slayer xp.

If you have a whole bunch of noted things, don't you only keep one of the notes per item protected? This is a major problem with it, you can just kill you friends over and over with junk. *cough, cough* DFS * cough* except that your chance of good stuff lowers if you kill too many ppl too quickly. That doesn't make killing people with money any better than killing people with junk, as it applies to both of them.

oops yeah i meant to say ring of wealth, sorry edited that :thumbsup: yeah ring of life would not really help in a situation like this haha... okay thanks guys for the uplifting...but i still cant believe i wasted 300 tokens to not even get a steel defender...hopefully it will be better tomorrow :? ... If it negatively affects your odds to get a Defender, it's only by most likely a percent tops. Me being one of them. Nothing is "random", but this item does seem to give alot of players a wide range of results...

If you have a whole bunch of noted things, don't you only keep one of the notes per item protected? This is a major problem with it, you can just kill you friends over and over with junk. *cough, cough* DFS * cough*

Why not? Anybody could just bring 750 mind runes which they could buy from the GE, so what's so different from noted items?

Enjoy it while you can... nub

I read it, but I posted hours after I read it as I was reading it using my iPod... Seems like I forgot. #-o :oops:

I just noticed... Prayer potions!!! My guide in my sig should help, by the way.

What does 287 mean...?

Very, very rarely. You'll get 1-4 charms a whole task. Hmmm... I'll post pictures of inv drops very soon. In fact, I might spend a day or two just taking pics of stuff. Go Go GO!!! Damn all you guiders become really popular o.o Yay :lol: Updating now. So far, I have inventory pictures for the first half of the guide. I'll post it all up when I'm completely done updating, enough to be put in AOW.

Again, Scarabites. ;) But yeah, don't use a Fighter torso, and especially don't waste time getting it.

Hmmm... I'll post pictures of inv drops very soon. In fact, I might spend a day or two just taking pics of stuff.

Is this a joke? As I said, the power factor of the cannon that is faster is compensated by far by the costs or even more. No HP experience and half ranging experience is another issue. I don't see how it is more efficient. Slayer xp is much more important, as you'll max out before 99 Slayer. Method is much better. Proved using above facts and lots of help from SirHemen Which I disputed. What you "can" or "could" is garbage in relation to GWD. You can go on 5 dropless trips and then get a 5m split on your 6th Bandos trip. Will that count as 5m/hour money made? Your basing your money making abilities on luck and while dagannoths do have that small element of luck along too, it is divided into a variety of drops to ensure profit rather than a few rare drops which people hardly get. [i have GWD'ed a lot, so I know what I'm talking] Ok. However, cash/hour is the average. You can go GWD as much as you want, it doesn't really make you any more credible. Gold: 70 Average xp per pouch Experience: 70 x 2x [seeing that you can get double the golds by the time you get the amount of crimsons from CT] = 70 x 2 x 50 = 7000 Summoning experience Crimson: 350 average per pouch Experience: 350x = 350 x 30 = 10500 Summoning experience. :thumbdown: Rest assured, your guide is immediately ticked as "obsolete" in my list. [Couldn't find a more polite word 8-) ] You look like an idiot here, as you're falming my guide, yet your information is straight up wrong. Sure, it's 7000 xp to 10,500 xp, but you're forgetting you get charms (more than) 2 times faster, which makes it 14k sum xp to 10.5k xp. Secondly, those summoning rates are wrong, as I will explain below. Thanks.. Lord Shalaj Hmm... this is the first valid point that I see from this forum. Hard math truely is the answer. However, about the comment about ranged xp, you get much more than enough combat xp, making it almost useful for a true Slayer. Ranged xp, on the other hand, sacrifises efficiency just to obtain Ranged xp. However, the information you started with is wrong. (You're using Zarfot's numbers, as I can see.) The below will be based on a 171. 1) You don't get 50 charms. Zarfot says there is a 25% chance of a Gold charm, 7% for green, 4% for crimsons, and 2% for blue. That's 3718 for gold, 2736 for crimsons, 2677 for blue, and 1843 for green. = 10974 xp per 171. (15 minute task, according to Zarfot.) So that's 51340 Summoning xp. For your spot, that's 38 Crimsons, 14 Gold, 11 Green, 1 Blue for 171. That's 15200 for crimsons, 1218 for gold, 1694, and 783 for blue. = 18895, which takes (100 xp per Dags, and 35k/hour.) So that is 350 kills per hour. That's 38673 Summoning xp per hour. 87 xp per gold, 400 for crimsons, 783 per blue, 154 per green. Zarfot says you can get 900-730 kills/hour possible, so I'll take 800 for Lighthouse and 350 for CT. 51340 Summoning xp per hour and 80k Slayer xp, and 38673 Summoning xp per hour and 35k Slayer xp. Remember, it takes around 3 p pots for Piety at Lighthouse (according to Zarfot), but it takes over 7-9 (going to count it as 7) for Dagannoths (according to RuneHQ calculator.) That's an extra 4 p pots, making it an extra 30k or so for costs, on top of the other costs for Range prayer. You can gain 50k (if you include crimsons + other charms.) Summoning xp/hour at Waterfiends, so you need exactly 15 minutes (strangely.) to make up for the Summoning xp lost. 120k (remember, costs of other p pots) vs 15 minutes. That's 480k per hour. If you're going to say don't Piety, it doesn't matter. It might lower the costs by a little, but it would also lower the kills alot. Also, it's going to make it a slightly less more (well, less for average people) efficient. If you make (around) 480k/hour, go to the Lighthouse. Anybody can make double that, if they GWD.

I didn't mention that? :oops: It isn't worth the time getting the the bonuses lost from Barrows gloves, though.

55 Crafting should only take 1-2 hours.

In that time, you could have very easily made 1 billion gp in pure cash by GWDing.

Ahhhh... I was wrong. So I deserve a #-o It has 3 attacks, I guess. The Ice one it almost NEVER uses. (From my experiences). It does its poison and fire semi commonly... and I do get hit consistantly even against the red fire... so I don't know, you could be wrong. Next time I go to KBD, I"ll test it out.

KBD rarely does poison/ruduce stats. He doesn't have a freeze breath, but he might have an Ice one, if that's what you're referring to. You could be right about the shield + pot making one of his hits 0, though. Freeze/ ice whatever, the one that freezes you, similar to ice spells My point exactly. KBD can't freeze. If I'm wrong, #-o

You can't make it even if you're being assisted? It's rather that Insanity didn't allow the option of crafting while being assisted, or it's impossible to be assisted to make it, similar to quests. Or is it telling you to get 55 crafting when you're trying to wear it? If so, just get assisted and wear it, which, again, could be impossible. And rings aren't the same for Helmets... Jagex's logic is incomprehensible... really, don't analyze them.

KBD rarely does poison/ruduce stats. He doesn't have a freeze breath, but he might have an Ice one, if that's what you're referring to. You could be right about the shield + pot making one of his hits 0, though.

Lol, I'm at World 112 Grand exchange, but I can't seem to find you.

It lowers it's max hit and maybe accuracy... But it definetely helps, ALOT.