Maulmachine

If you care about total levels, which no one but you sees, train it to mid 70s. If you enjoy it, train it. Otherwise, don't touch it with a 10 foot pole. [hide=]I enjoy it and plan on getting 90+ eventually. Just a side note.[/hide] But if you leave it at 1 you miss out on soooo much stuff, like slayer dart and dust devils. There is a lot of valuable content in slayer, which is why I say it doesn't suck, just is inefficient when you reach higher levels. [hide=]These arguments on our various threads are distracting me from armoured zombies :lol:[/hide] Slayer dart: Lower hitting then fire wave, far less XP; fire wave is better unless your 99 mage, in which case COG or salamander is much better. Dust devils = MUCH slower XP\drops then armored zombies. [hide=]You think you have it bad, I'm at PC. Ground out 500 points today, about to get back the void lost to d bower... 129 WPM typing skills ftw :[/hide] Slayer dart is the most efficient way to do barrows at low levels,however, and dust devils are around 65k xp an hour,but their drops are better than armoured zombies. [hide=]Btw don't take anything I say on other threads to heart, I get very "into" arguments easily. Also, pc=pain I did it with heart unit and still couldn't stand it. :lol:[/hide]

But it doesn't affect you in any way; it is neither inconvenient nor time wasting. Un-appealable mutes are convenient then? Because they neither raise or lower my status until I accumulate enough blackmarks I also will never be able to appeal mutes. I was hoping that I'd stated the obvious enough times, but I can do it again. Yes, you suffered the inconvenience of a 24 hour mute, a slight annoyance but nothing life changing. I'm getting very annoyed of you missing the point. The point is that it's unfair to let those who have higher bms able to appeal the threats that we face, we have to face inconvenience for doing less wrong,this is the point. What I understand is this: Due to a flaw\oversight in Jagex's system, you experienced a 24 hour mute. Point out the 'point' that I'm missing in that sentence. Yes, it's inconvenient, yes it should be fixed, yes it was probably worth a rant. Simple enough? Due to this slight oversight I will also keep attaining blackmarks(I always will, silly wbms in various clan chats) until I have sufficient black marks to start appealing them.

If you care about total levels, which no one but you sees, train it to mid 70s. If you enjoy it, train it. Otherwise, don't touch it with a 10 foot pole. [hide=]I enjoy it and plan on getting 90+ eventually. Just a side note.[/hide] But if you leave it at 1 you miss out on soooo much stuff, like slayer dart and dust devils. There is a lot of valuable content in slayer, which is why I say it doesn't suck, just is inefficient when you reach higher levels. [hide=]These arguments on our various threads are distracting me from armoured zombies :lol:[/hide]

But it doesn't affect you in any way; it is neither inconvenient nor time wasting. Un-appealable mutes are convenient then? Because they neither raise or lower my status until I accumulate enough blackmarks I also will never be able to appeal mutes. I was hoping that I'd stated the obvious enough times, but I can do it again. Yes, you suffered the inconvenience of a 24 hour mute, a slight annoyance but nothing life changing. I'm getting very annoyed of you missing the point. The point is that it's unfair to let those who have higher bms able to appeal the threats that we face, we have to face inconvenience for doing less wrong,this is the point.

Until the mid 70s you suggest training it though,right? I hardly think this qualifies as it being sucky skill. I think you mean its inefficient. Our quote fight is at an end though,we have reached the limit,lol.

Yes, but both of those can be considered to contain slightly more 'life' and 'geek status' then those that simply troll online forums accusing others of lifelessness without bringing up any interesting points. 99 cooking is miles faster then a quest cape. If you have all the required skills I think questing is faster than cooking if cooking is at level 1, but me and a friend did realize its possible to get 20 million cooking xp in a day :lol:

But it doesn't affect you in any way; it is neither inconvenient nor time wasting. Un-appealable mutes are convenient then? Because they neither raise or lower my status until I accumulate enough blackmarks I also will never be able to appeal mutes.

Yes, but many prefer the ends to the means - training to high levels means access\improved versions of things like Castle Wars and GWD, which some may prefer to killing monsters endlessly; I'm simply saying you can achieve that high level status faster if you kill armored zombies instead of slayer monsters. If you do this,skip slayer and leave it at 1, you will be unable to kill some very popular monsters. Hence why one should train slayer into the 70s, possibly 80s, if they are concerned about total levels\slayer dart. However, there aint a whole lot of good monsters that slayer grants access to. So, now you're saying once you get to the level where content slows you should stop? Gee sounds like a firemaking rant. For total levels, yes. Otherwise, don't bother training it. You are trying to dispel the fallacy regarding good combat experience through slayer,right? If so, then you should admit that slayer is useful it just isn't very good for combat experience, to me it seems as if you are attacking the skill rather as a whole, instead of just the experience gained.

Yes, but many prefer the ends to the means - training to high levels means access\improved versions of things like Castle Wars and GWD, which some may prefer to killing monsters endlessly; I'm simply saying you can achieve that high level status faster if you kill armored zombies instead of slayer monsters. If you do this,skip slayer and leave it at 1, you will be unable to kill some very popular monsters. Hence why one should train slayer into the 70s, possibly 80s, if they are concerned about total levels\slayer dart. However, there aint a whole lot of good monsters that slayer grants access to. So, now you're saying once you get to the level where content slows you should stop? Gee sounds like a firemaking rant.

What I'm ranting about is the system of of jagex's deferral of undeserved black-marks, not whether or not I should be frustrated, I am, and I find the system flawed hence the rant.

belongs in general guides subforum of the AOW>=.

Yes, but many prefer the ends to the means - training to high levels means access\improved versions of things like Castle Wars and GWD, which some may prefer to killing monsters endlessly; I'm simply saying you can achieve that high level status faster if you kill armored zombies instead of slayer monsters. If you do this,skip slayer and leave it at 1, you will be unable to kill some very popular monsters.

Actually that isn't true, the deferred marks are still left on my account, I am not able to appeal their cause, and if I ever get like 7 black marks I will be able to appeal them, they do count. I'm afraid you missed his point. They will count if you have 7, but you can then appeal them; the number of blackmarks does not matter unless it exceeds 10 and you are banned, so you never have to worry about this offense besides the inconvenience of the mute. Nah I got the point of his post. If you read my earlier post I think having blemishes on my record is fairly frustrating with the only way of removing them being to put more blackmarks, this is the point of my post. What do you mean by 'blemishes on your record'? The only person that can see them is you... This is true, it does not,however, make it less frustrating that they cannot be removed.

Actually that isn't true, the deferred marks are still left on my account, I am not able to appeal their cause, and if I ever get like 7 black marks I will be able to appeal them, they do count. I'm afraid you missed his point. They will count if you have 7, but you can then appeal them; the number of blackmarks does not matter unless it exceeds 10 and you are banned, so you never have to worry about this offense besides the inconvenience of the mute. Nah I got the point of his post. If you read my earlier post I think having blemishes on my record is fairly frustrating with the only way of removing them being to put more blackmarks, this is the point of my post.

First of all, slayer is the only skill in which training it sacrifices large amounts of XP in another skill, in this case combat; secondly, I created this post to combat the continuous stream of 'train slayer' posts whenever someone asked what the best method to train combat is. That is wrong; if you enjoy slayer, by all means train it, but you will be wasting 100s of millions in lost time by doing so, making slayer one of the most 'expensive' 99s, and a very bad way to train combat. And it seems to have worked; I haven't seen nearly as many 'train slayer' posts, with over 4,000 views on this thread. But if you take another point of view, the time spent training Thieving could be spent in time training Agility, or another useful skill. And you're right, there are too many people who believe Slayer is the best in terms of Charms, money, and xp, when it's bad in all 3. But that's not what I'm saying; I'm saying that slayer is a very inefficient way to train combat, despite the common misconception that it is. Combat is an extremely good way to train slayer,however.Unless you find another way I'm gonna train slayer through combat. Point being? Slayer is only trained for fun, as a waste of time; if you want to train combat, look elsewhere. It's trained for it's cape, for respect. It's trained for variety. Firemaking is also only trained for fun past 94, why have you chosen slayer? The cape which so very few possess, your argument is that its a waste of time, so are all skills by this logic. People also train slayer for the cape.

They have a 1 second stun with magic, is this what you mean? They freeze with range mate. Sure abut the 1 second stun with magic? It's pretty rare if they do, but even green d hide should negotiate this (very tiny) threat... I'm fairly sure, it lifts you off the ground for about a second as it hits 0, I use range prayer etc. Havent run into revs in a while,however.

You don't pay, you don't "deserve" anything, you got HD, be thankful for that.

By this logic the most useful item is a Christmas cracker. Sgs is the best.Healing is amazing.

My friend went from 190 quest points to 276 in a weekend, definately not a hard cape. Wait he got a level 3, trained all the stats high enough to do every quest, and finished them all in a weekend? Because my friend went from 98-99 smithing in a day, obviously not a hard skill.. Any experienced skiller should have levels to complete every quest. It's not a hard skill your comparison is completely irrelevant. Read his comments he says that quests require skill and logic, then how do people get 80 quest points in a day or two? What does the 'experienced skiller' part have to do with anything? I can guarantee that the quest cape takes longer then certain 99s, IE cooking. RFD alone is at least 10 hours of questing; over 2m cooking XP could easily be obtained in that period of time. Questing isn't a skill, questing is a side goal that should be maintained as you train skills, as you unlock the appropriate skills you do the quest, if you have the skills it is already insanely easy.

First of all, slayer is the only skill in which training it sacrifices large amounts of XP in another skill, in this case combat; secondly, I created this post to combat the continuous stream of 'train slayer' posts whenever someone asked what the best method to train combat is. That is wrong; if you enjoy slayer, by all means train it, but you will be wasting 100s of millions in lost time by doing so, making slayer one of the most 'expensive' 99s, and a very bad way to train combat. And it seems to have worked; I haven't seen nearly as many 'train slayer' posts, with over 4,000 views on this thread. But if you take another point of view, the time spent training Thieving could be spent in time training Agility, or another useful skill. And you're right, there are too many people who believe Slayer is the best in terms of Charms, money, and xp, when it's bad in all 3. But that's not what I'm saying; I'm saying that slayer is a very inefficient way to train combat, despite the common misconception that it is. Combat is an extremely good way to train slayer,however.Unless you find another way I'm gonna train slayer through combat.

They have a 1 second stun with magic, is this what you mean? They freeze with range mate.

Actually that isn't true, the deferred marks are still left on my account, I am not able to appeal their cause, and if I ever get like 7 black marks I will be able to appeal them, they do count.

My friend went from 190 quest points to 276 in a weekend, definately not a hard cape. Wait he got a level 3, trained all the stats high enough to do every quest, and finished them all in a weekend? Because my friend went from 98-99 smithing in a day, obviously not a hard skill.. Any experienced skiller should have levels to complete every quest. It's not a hard skill your comparison is completely irrelevant. Read his comments he says that quests require skill and logic, then how do people get 80 quest points in a day or two?

I don't suggest cutting em there,too crowded. Try varrock west bank, it is the best, I think.

My friend went from 190 quest points to 276 in a weekend, definately not a hard cape.