Maulmachine

Lol agreed. I think it's ridiculous how easily some people throw their lives away. Especially someone that young... I think 38 years is excessive but that doesn't mean I have much sympathy for him.. If you hack into the FBI's system they can lock you up forever in solitary confinement, so how the hell is this anything like that?

Flowers for Algernon is not a book, it's a short story. IT is a good one,however. :) When I went to high school there were always these nerds/book people who read during class, got bad grades, and were generally very condescending.

Pshhh, your account is worth like 3 cheeseburgers. I'd sell mine for a piece of string.

They unbanned you?

Assassin, have you read Catch-22 yet?

I love reading. I recommend Catch-22 it's an amazing book for the slightly older scene, it has been called one of the best litereary achievements of the 20th century. Catch-22 is only for the 16+ crowd, if you are younger then that you won't have a clue, if you are only moderately intelligent wait until your 18.

Shoveled my 1/8th of a mile driveway. :cry: :boohoo:

First, stop pointing me to blog posts and give me a credible source. I realize that, yes, "some" companies allow naps. However MOST will not allow you to take two naps during a work day. I understand things may be different in whatever line of work you have, but for most people we don't have the luxury of taking naps whenever we damn well please. Even when you don't consider that this sleep cycle probably won't work you it still has so many other negative effects. It means that your life is planned around this sleep cycle. If something unexpected happens, well, you're [bleep]. I understand what you meant about blogs not being a credible source,however, Steve Pavlina's experiment is very good for instruction on how this works. I also provided you a video that has numerous doctors seeing the effects of this on a Swedish man,this is a credible source. Since you ignored this in the last post, I also recommend you read a sample of Claudio Stampi's book on google books, this shows how the process works. This regiment does cause inflexibility in your schedule, I am not going to deny this,however, I hardly think that inflexibility is too big of a trade-off for the reward of 22-hour waking days.

I highly doubt that most kids would eat their friends alive. :ohnoes:

I got suspended once in school. I was I think 14 at the time, my teacher tried to convince me that archaic did not mean "Not commonly used" or something along those lines. I got a dictionary, went up to her and read the definition of archaic. She then proceeded to send me to my principal's office for insinuating she was a moron.

Stop spouting off the same crap, you didn't even read what he said. People are not going to just "take a nap" in the middle of the work day. Not only would some professions deem that impossible but pretty much any profession is not going to allow that, especially not two 20-30 minute naps in one day, every day. If you read what I said to gingers response you would have known that some companies actually do allow naps due to their aforementioned practicality. Thanks for your comment about my age, I'm 28. Now, as for the sleep schedule not working, I advise you to read some of the blogs of testimonials, and the video of experiments showing the practicality of uberman sleep cycle.

No, naps can be prolonged for as much as an hour and a half, you can sleep if with your girlfriend on occassion as a bonus sleep block, which is beneficial. I'm sure that's exactly what your gf wants. Only being able to sleep together on occasion. And hell, it for an entire hour! :D deloria, I don't want you posting irrelevant things to this discussion, until you can do that please, stop posting. What I was posting was completely relevant as you, the OP, brought it up. Please refrain from making such accusations. Also, I refuse to stop posting here as it is my right to post in any open discussion I choose to. Thank you. Please refrain from talking about other people's girlfriends in a thread about sleep.

So extra sleep benefits a person under a decreased sleep pattern? Naps have been shown beneficial when used with normal sleep patterns. Alright quoi, if you had watched the video I had posted you would have learned that if i test you before you start to sleep polyphasically and after your score will be about the same. If I give you an extra sleep chunk on the polyphasic sleep cycle your test results will be higher then before you started sleeping polyphasically. ginger, naps are VERY practical even if you aren't a polyphasic sleeper, if you won't take my word for it look back a few pages until you see NASA's take on naps.

No, naps can be prolonged for as much as an hour and a half, you can sleep if with your girlfriend on occassion as a bonus sleep block, which is beneficial. I'm sure that's exactly what your gf wants. Only being able to sleep together on occasion. And hell, it for an entire hour! :D deloria, I don't want you posting irrelevant things to this discussion, until you can do that please, stop posting. On topic: So far studies have shown that the polyphasic sleep benefits very well from a sleep bonus, which is like a rare extra hour or two of sleep. Ginger, a suggest you take a serious look at google, who encourages the occasional nap at work, studies show it increases a person's efficiency. As for drinking, I don't see why you need to go out for more then 5 hours to get a drink, if you do then your liver is incompatible with this sleep regiment.

No, naps can be prolonged for as much as an hour and a half, you can sleep if with your girlfriend on occassion as a bonus sleep block, which is beneficial.

I have "killed" people due to mishaps during surgery. I am a surgeon.

Link to awesome experiment video: http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf&template=play220asf.html&query=sleep&squery=%2BClipID%3A5+%2BVideoAsset%3Apbssaf105&inputField=undefined&ccstart=2124726&ccend=2822889&videoID=pbssaf105 http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf&template=play220asf.html&query=sleep&squery=%2BClipID%3A5+%2BVideoAsset%3Apbssaf105&inputField=undefined&ccstart=2124726&ccend=2822889&videoID=pbssaf105

No, 8 hours is the recommended minimum. It's higher when you're younger, levels off at 8 hours/night when you're in your "peak years" (as I like to call them), and raises slightly as you get older. Ideally the sleep for the average human who has not altered their sleep pattern would be 8 hours at night and a 1 hour nap(time can be altered) in the middle of the day, before I get yelled at for saying that this is ideal, this is the ideal sleep pattern as shown by numerous studies and tests and is not to be confused with polyphasic sleep, this is diphasic sleep.

This suggests that another polyphasic system works. if i'm understanding that right they actually got 4-8 hours of sleep plus naps so it sounds like its further contradicting your theory. My theory is that polyphasic sleep can work in a way that allows your body to gain the energy it needs in under 8 hours with few side effects. This supports my theory with some astronauts gettin 4 hours of sleep.

Not necassarily, the author does deem it possible and actual science, but yeah, I meant to only take the model about computers, not the whole essay, :lol: :wall: 8-). Here is another polyphasic sleeping style. This is another polyphasic style used by astronauts called the everyman polyphasic sleeping schedule. This suggests that another polyphasic system works.

Very good, you have discovered I used an oxymoron,want a cookie? As for blogs not serving as sufficient evidence, you have overlooked the experiment with sailors I have posted, the information about armed services using a similar method, and that it is not pseudoscience, it is just a new way of forcing your brain to enter desirable phases of sleep by ignoring other phases of sleep. :| I question what you were thinking if you actually used the oxymoron on purpose. It doesn't help your argument in any way. Seems more like an accidental occurence resulting from you trying to be condescending. The Sailor experiment shows what, an hour and a half less total hours of sleep in the most extreme cases? Not a huge difference. Plus sailing is a physically demanding job and they are most likely tired enough to find sleep when they can. In fact that's the whole reason they adopted that sleep schedule in the first place. A poor study overall, as it focuses on one specialized group instead of a more general population and 99 people is not a lot. Not a lot at all, especially for this kind of study. I don't see a source for the army claims. As said, it's pseudoscience. I really don't think that's an oxymoron by the way, due to it being true, one can have incredibly vast amounts of insufficient knowledge. On topic: You missed the point of the sailor article, it shows that polyphasic sleeping is a viable alternative to monophasic sleep. The time of polyphasic sleep is the only thing different here. I wonder why you think its pseudoscience, the vast majority of people have already altered their sleep schedule. Humans are by nature biphasic, which we alter by being largely monophasic, so we know it is possible to change the nature of ones sleep cycle. Due to me not wanting to use a variety of medical terms to explain this, I will use this explanation, he explains it very well. [/hide] Unless I'm mistaken from skimming that quickly, you basically just provided us with a source that states that polyphasic sleep is not only bad for you but impossible to do naturally. It also seems to claim that someone who can do this doesn't exist. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Sorry, I should have used less than this, this is just a representation of how it works, but the article does deem in implausible.What the article doesn't account for is that if you read the introduction it states it is possible but only for a smaller sample of people. But yeah, my bad in posting all of that :wall: But yes, polyphasic sleep is unnatural, and it is required to use an alarm clock.

Very good, you have discovered I used an oxymoron,want a cookie? As for blogs not serving as sufficient evidence, you have overlooked the experiment with sailors I have posted, the information about armed services using a similar method, and that it is not pseudoscience, it is just a new way of forcing your brain to enter desirable phases of sleep by ignoring other phases of sleep. :| I question what you were thinking if you actually used the oxymoron on purpose. It doesn't help your argument in any way. Seems more like an accidental occurence resulting from you trying to be condescending. The Sailor experiment shows what, an hour and a half less total hours of sleep in the most extreme cases? Not a huge difference. Plus sailing is a physically demanding job and they are most likely tired enough to find sleep when they can. In fact that's the whole reason they adopted that sleep schedule in the first place. A poor study overall, as it focuses on one specialized group instead of a more general population and 99 people is not a lot. Not a lot at all, especially for this kind of study. I don't see a source for the army claims. As said, it's pseudoscience. I really don't think that's an oxymoron by the way, due to it being true, one can have incredibly vast amounts of insufficient knowledge. On topic: You missed the point of the sailor article, it shows that polyphasic sleeping is a viable alternative to monophasic sleep. The time of polyphasic sleep is the only thing different here. I wonder why you think its pseudoscience, the vast majority of people have already altered their sleep schedule. Humans are by nature biphasic, which we alter by being largely monophasic, so we know it is possible to change the nature of ones sleep cycle. Due to me not wanting to use a variety of medical terms to explain this, I will use this explanation, he explains it very well.

That's because your body isn't craving sleep. Disclaimer: the models presented below are used for illustration only and are a remote approximation of real processes occurring in sleep Alarm clock is bad for you A metaphor that may help you get some sense of what alarm clocks do to sleep is a comparison of NREM-REM cycles to your PC. During the day, while learning and experiencing new things, you store your new data in RAM memory. During the night, while first in NREM, you write the data down to the hard disk. During REM, which follows NREM in the night, you do the disk defragmentation, i.e. you organize data, sort them, build new connections, etc. Overnight, you repeat the write-and-defragment cycle until all RAM data is neatly written to the disk (for long-term use), and your RAM is clear and ready for a new day of learning. At waking up, you reboot the computer. If you reboot early with the use of an alarm clock, you often leave your disk fragmented. Your data access is slow, and your thinking is confused. Even worse, some of the data may not even get written to the disk. It is as if you have never stored it in RAM in the first place. In conclusion, if you use an alarm clock, you endanger your data. If you do not care about your intellectual performance, you may want to know that there are many biological reasons for which using alarm clocks is basically unhealthy. Those run beyond the scope of this article. Many people use alarm clocks and live. Yet this is not much different from smoking, abusing drugs, or indulging in fat-dripping pork. You may abuse your brain with alcohol for years, and still become president. Many of mankind's achievements required interrupted sleep. Many inventions were produced by sleepy brains. But nothing is able to change the future as much as a brain refreshed with a healthy dose of restful sleep. You cannot sleep polyphasically without an alarm clock Your whole sleep cycle can be explained with the clock and hourglass model. Deep in your brain, your body clock is running on a 24 hours cycle. Every 24 hours, the clock releases a sleepy potion that puts you to sleep. If you try to sleep at wrong hours, without the sleepy potion, you may find it very hard to fall asleep. All insomniacs suffers from the lack of sleepy potion. If they go to sleep too early, before they get their fix of sleepy potion, they will toss and turn. Often for hours. You need to listen to your body clock to know when it is the right moment to go to sleep. Yet the sleepy potion produced by the body clock is not enough to put you to sleep. The brain also uses the hourglass of mental energy that gives you some time every day that you can devote to intellectual work. When you wake up, the hourglass is full and starts being emptied. With every waking moment, with everything your brain absorbs, with every mental effort, the hourglass is less and less full. Only when the hourglass of mental energy is empty, will you able to quickly fall asleep. To get a good night sleep, you need to combine two factors: * your body clock must be saying "time to sleep" * your hourglass of power must be saying "no more mental work" If your sleepy potion tries to put you to sleep but your hourglass is full, you will be very groggy, tired, but you will not fall asleep. If, on the other hand, you try to sleep without the sleepy potion while the hourglass of power is empty, you may succeed, but you will wake up very fast with your hourglass full again. That will make sleeping again nearly impossible. Insomniacs go to sleep before the body clock releases the sleepy potion. When you wake up early with an alarm clock, you can hardly get to your feet because your body is full of sleepy potion, which begs you to go back to sleep. When you are drowsy in the afternoon, your hourglass of mental power might be almost empty. A quick nap will then help you fill it up again and be very productive in the evening. If you drink coffee in the morning, it helps you charge the hourglass and add some extra mental energy. But coffee combined with the sleepy potion produce a poisonous mix that engulfs your brain in sickly miasma. If you try to drink coffee to stay up in the night, you will feel like a horse kicked you in the stomach. That's the acme of a criminal attack on your brain's health.

Very good, you have discovered I used an oxymoron,want a cookie? As for blogs not serving as sufficient evidence, you have overlooked the experiment with sailors I have posted, the information about armed services using a similar method, and that it is not pseudoscience, it is just a new way of forcing your brain to enter desirable phases of sleep by ignoring other phases of sleep.

What, that people instantaneously jump into REM sleep in a twenty minute nap? No. That goes against anything and everything I've learned about sleep. You're talking about a revolution that would basically destroy everything that has to do with sleep research if this is anything beyond pseudoscience. I'm just about ready to kill all these morons who can't be bothered to read the explanation behind this before attacking it with their incredible quantity of insufficient knowledge. Reb, read pages 2+3 on this page, this explains why it works. Then click on my links of experimentation with this, and go explain to the people who sleep like this that it doesn't work.