I agree if abortion was a crime then all actions of abortion would increase crime rates. However that isnt really an argument one way or the other just a statement of 2 + 2 = 4 :lol: And if my parents faced this dilemma id be against it, since you know Im consciously able to think of reasons to be against it unlike an embryonic fetus. However lets say I was a child of parents who were facing the dilemma whether to abort or not, and lets say that they never wanted a kid so they didnt love me and lets say they were poor because of economic opportunities lost due to having a kid. This is the story of many kids in poor families who end up joining gangs or lashing out in other violent ways. Would it be better for society? The real morality stems from the struggle between good for oneself and good for ones society. Now this isnt an argument either way, but I ask you which scenario is better for society as a whole regardless of what you consider morally correct. A family that chose when they wanted the kid and when they were best able to financially support that kid or a family who had 1 or potentially many kids when they cant afford it and didnt want the kid? Id like to point out that you havent argued the fact that a lot of criminals are the results of being unwanted kids born in poverty, so I will assume you agree with that. Please fact this into your decision - morals aside which is better for society. Once again: would you put aside your morals for the good of society? Theoretical example: The planet is quickly on it's way to being vastly overpopulated. It would be grossly beneficial to society if all those starving african children were culled, because they're putting a strain on the world and will never amount to anything anyway. Would you participate in such an event?