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Oh for the sake of sanity and the rest of the players who might learn something from this thread, don't respond to him. He will tell you that he knows it can't be done, because he has never tried it. That is the 10 word summary of all his useless spam on this thread. Ignore him, he is a troll. I have never tried dying, so it can't happen. On Topic; Would you find playing RuneScape fun, if you did everything in an inefficient manner? Such as refusing to use the GE, Slaying for xp, and doing other things deemed inferior?

I have more fun by playing efficiently than playing inefficiently. As said before in this thread, some people actually like levelling faster. What's wrong with that...?

In that case anyone can profess to be as efficient as they like. You know them, you've met them in game and thought 'Yeah right!' And that isn't the point of this thread at all, good job Very good job

Technically, we haven't "established" anything in this thread because it's all been well-established already. It's only a matter of explaining it to people who don't understand it. This thread is still stupid. It's not like jhc has any stats to disprove any of the claims of moneymakers. And why is playing inefficiently fun? I couldn't do an hour of monkfishing, but I can stand 5 hours straight of barbarian fishing. I find playing RS efficiently is fun.

Why would someone change the way they want to play, just to be on hiscores? I find all kind of bragging rediculous, but people bragging in online games are the biggest joke of them all. :-D We don't. We want to be efficient. It's not bragging?

Ahh, no College day. <3

Spamfest. On topic; What more is there to say on this topic? We've established that efficiency can mean 2 things, and it's fine. Just accept that it's okay to trade people, and it's also okay to buy things to train?

Because I want to be an English professor in a couple years, I'll help you out here: Bladewing and I have about the same stats. Bladewing and I have access to the two most profitable boss monsters. Bladewing, however, has the advantage of using a divine spirit shield and a chaotic rapier. I can make about 4m/h at TDs or DKs with my gear. Bladewing can make slightly more at both bosses due to his gear (more at DKs than at TDs, presumably). I will repeat it again so you don't miss it. I'll even put it in big red letters: I can make about 4m/h at TDs or DKs. :lol: This is probably one of the funniest things I've ever read on these forums. Thank you. Why...? He can.... Please go away, troll! Please go away, troll!

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I found the Efficiency article slightly biased, but interesting points raised nonetheless. You can't really say that pro-efficiency is all bad, what is wrong with trying to obtain a good amount of xp? Namecalling has existed since the beginning of mankind, calling others 'noobs' happens on both sides, and that will never change. I'm glad that you guys finally picked one of my better DYK submissions, only some people know about it. As I've said plenty of times before, as long as you deem something is fun, that is technically 'efficient', in the 'every rational decision is an efficient decision' sense. I don't read the Fictionals, so no comment on that.

:lol: This is probably one of the funniest things I've ever read on these forums. Thank you. Ooookaaaay. Hmmmmm.........You were saying about trolling PereGrin? Doesn't exactly help your cause here. What the hell are you talking about? I can't believe I'm actually telling you this. PereGrin is trying to give me a ticking off for trolling just as you are in your sentence above. In the same sentence you accuse me of being incredibly dumb which is trolling or flaming whichever bracket you want to put it into. This is not helping out PereGrin when he's trying to defend you nor your cause in proving I'm some sort of troll. This link Here should help you out with the definintion. Scroll down past the ads. The truth hurts man.

Overfishing is still a problem. I think the problem is that there are just too many people. A mass cull can solve that problem. But wait, we have rights. ;/

Question of curiosity; Would hunting meet the consumption 'needs' of the human population if we cut down our meat consumption to the recommended guidelines of the FDA? Edit - Oh, and isn't fish meat too? I doubt fish would emit much CO2/Methane, and they eat things that aren't even fit for human consumption (food chain starts at algae and plankton). Fish farming however...

Lol, ok. Also, I honestly don't get the connection between Inuit people and a vegan diet. You'll have to fill me in here. Well, for me personally, I get enough vitamins and minerals. :) I've talked about this in several previous posts here, hehe. But that point aside, I don't see what the environmental issues have to do with taking supplements. Kinda expected you to Wiki it. Basically they are Eskimos. "The Inuit are a group of culturally similar indigenous peoples inhabiting the Arctic regions of Canada (Northwest Territories, Nunatsiavut, Nunavik, Nunavut), Denmark (Greenland), Russia (Siberia) and the United States (Alaska).[2] The Inuit language is grouped under Eskimo-Aleut languages" They live on seal fat and whales because it's impossible to cultivate plants in the Arctic. They pretty much eat 100% meat products to live

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you're implying that we wouldn't use up as much land for farming, because a lot of our nutritional needs would be met by taking supplements and vitamins? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm god-awful tired haha. Nevermind the first part. I'm not sure what I meant either. But answer this; How would Inuit people fare in a meat free world if the world turned Vegan tomorrow?

Before you say it, I know you can work it out using some maths. I believe there should be a 'Lsp Counter', which shows your current LSP, similar to the way EP is shown currently in PvP. Isn't it annoying when someone asks you what your LSP is, and you just don't know? Discuss

I noticed too. Bots never take up the best spots, they take easy things with little risk and get a low yield. Edit - Hmm, he seems to have his shift key stuck. Someone should tell him.

If we didn't have billions and billions and billions of livestock to feed, we would be growing an entirely different type of crop. On the same note, if we weren't using the land to continually grow cattlefeed/corn over and over and over again, the earth would be fertile enough to sustain a normal crop. :thumbup: These issues wouldn't be a problem if consumers were demanding a different source of food. Edit: But perhaps we'd eventually run into the same problems even if everyone removed meat from their diet... everyone would be dependent solely on plant foods, and we'd just end up ruining the land anyway... That is true, but what about the supplements vegans/vegetarians take for B12 and stuff? And how would Inuit people fare in a meat free world?

Hmmmmm.........You were saying about trolling PereGrin? Doesn't exactly help your cause here. What the hell are you talking about?

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Old news is old. Godswords has been outdated since Dungeoneering

Let's just accept that jrhairychest is incredibly dumb and refuses to accept that people do play for fun whilst being efficient (or he's just a really obvious troll). Remind me, what are we arguing about? Efficiency isn't a problem, anti efficiency is.

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What. I can't speak for #2, but 1 and 3 sound very suspect. What characteristics don't we share with other carnivores? We have teeth that work very well at tearing meat. Whatever physical weaknesses we have we make up for with tool use, as other intelligent species do. Our closest genetic relatives are also omnivores, eating plants primarily but supplementing their diets with meat. We just aren't the sleek predator-types because we don't need to be; If there's no meat we eat plants, if there aren't plants we eat meats. Hell, according to Wikipedia we're more scavengers than hunters. Again, nothing against vegetarians. Almost all the points are picked up on http://www.vanguardonline.f9.co.uk/00509.htm. (Not really a source to quote, but it covers why the arguments he listed are crap)

To contribute a lil more to this thread, I have found some quotes from an old 'Meat lovers vs. Vegetarians' thread. For some of the worst reasons to be a Vegetarian; Plants are rooted to the ground and eat sunlight and nutrients in water and dirt. For the most part they don't have organs. Plants don't think (No, not even Venus fly traps, they're just that, traps). Plants and such are the furthest things from animals that is still included in the category of "living things." Last time I checked I haven't seen plants feed their children, build homes, or show emotion. I can't believe I even have to retaliate this argument. :wall: Uneducated about this topic. This guy has been vegetarian since 1997 and vegan since 1999, I'd be surprised if he doesn't live until 100. I used to be protein deficient before vegetarianism , but I got my yearly blood test back a few weeks ago and it's gone up into the OK-High level. On average vegetarians and vegans live significantly longer than meat eaters. UPDATE: Here are my full blood test results after vegetarianism for a year in a nutshell: Every level that was checked was in the "OK" zone (and not borderline) except for 3, TSH, Free T4, and Iron. TSH and Free T4 are thyroid-related because I have thyroid problems inherited from my dad. My Iron has always been low, my mom remembers that when I was a toddler a doctor recommended iron pills for me because he though I was anemic, but I had no symptoms and lived with low iron until now. Even though my low iron is thyroid-related or just my bodily settings, we're trying to get it up anyway and I should take another test in a week to see 1 month progress. Meat is HORRIBLE for the environment. Cows eat around 16 pounds of grain a day, that's a hella lot of grain to grow, just to make 80~ pounds of usable meat for you to eat. Shutting down cow/chicken/pig farming for only year would save more than enough grains and such to seriously affect world hunger. A cow will probably be killed at 3-5 years of growing, meaning 17,088-28,480 pounds of grain consumed, 22,789 pounds being the middle and assuming 100 pounds of meat, that's still 228 pounds of grain for a single pound of meat. All that grain needs space to grow, so they cut down habitats, letting out CO2 by killing trees. (also why I don't support ethanol, but that's a different topic) Yes, sorry that we don't consume that equivalent of an extra 228 pounds of grain per week (assuming you eat 1 pound of meat a week, which is probably a lot less than some of you). That one pound of meat is probably worth at least a month's worth of grain for a block of households. If humans are supposed to eat meat, then we are surely pathetic meat eaters. What real meat-eating animals have to cook their food just so they won't die from it? What natural weapons does a human have to kill animals? You can't even bite through leather. Our "canine" or Incisor teeth are pathetic as well. I have a freaking Maltese and his incisors are longer and sharper than ours. Even horses have these "Canine" teeth = warning-large resolution picture The reason you might see vegetarians that look ill is because a lot of the time girls just do it because they think they'll lose weight and don't know any thing else vegetarian to eat besides cheerios or something. I'll comment on why most of the arguments are bad later. Don't really want to spend an hour picking up points that hasn't even been discussed