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OK ty. we accept any deccison from tip ti and we will foillow the standard rules even if we "dobut" it will make any difference, but now we now that if we break any of those general rules if won't make any difference won't be a problem. :thumbsup: As for TIR all I have to say is we will meet again down the road this time a victory was given to you; but still too early in the game for us in TWR next time will be different. gf and gl. Thank you for being so gracious in defeat, it was a shame everyone got a little confused. GOodluck in future wars, we hope to fight you again, you looked like a challenge :P :D Kudos on your flexibility. =D>

Any reply from Tip.it mods?

err, Cooltjecool2 is actually ON our memberlist. As for Majicman he had shown up to watch the war he was wearing full dragon and wielding an ags HARDLY the ideal setup for a war and quite frankly rook was jsut a random in the clan wars lobby, you can get people who jsut stand there btw. We warred you and attacked, then all your guys ran out of bounds and just left entirely. Thereafter we offered you a rm as we thought there had been some form of misunderstanding, sadly you refused to war us . However please feel free to show me the multiclanners, you may wish to use this pic just as the barrier goes down to help you out ;) As for "clan with smallest pull attacks first" we never agreed to that, we offered you another set of rules which you accepted and can be viewied in the declaration topic. I believe that the TWR rules quite clearly state: no picture = no proof. The picture we provided seems to disprove you entirely.

that's done :P we ahrdly expected a fairy tale ending against a clan who're 5th in RAW so they ate us all up :o :(

Hey y'all, I know this is waaaaaaay late :P but I completely forgot to post :o Such an ejit :P DOWN to business ^_^ We had another RSB 100+ clan for round 2 so we were optimsitic seeing as what we did okay last round Tr Starting 44 Tr Ending 31 Wf Starting 24 Wf Ending 0 WF: Tr: Since one of our members is a nut case you can find all 52 pics he took (in perfect detail ofc) here: http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/ ... 20vs%20WF/ but here are the ones that best sum it up :P ^ skill cape newb :P Good fight WF :D was good fun ^_^

What you haven't taken into account is the fact that MechScape is aimed at an *entirely* (I use the word loosely) different kind of gamer. It's more of a sci-fi game, whereas RS is much more med-evil orientated. It therefore appeals to different people, so I don't we will see swathes of people abbandoning their clan to join this craze. I doubt I'll give MechScape a try, one gaming addiction is enough thanks :P

I second Arjun208s emotion :D :lol: nice pull Lgz, 50+ members is always a delight :D better luck next time Dv >.< not bad for a two ay prep mind you O_o

Gratz RT, who knows, maybe you'll have the *honour* of fighting TR if you get to round 3. Until then, best of luck in round2 :D ;)

Well, when we were drawn against TBW we were slightly apprehensive, a well established 110+ clan who could easily pull 30 members, it wasn't going to be an easy fight and we knew we had to pull well to stand a chance. The war was only one round Rules: Warring Event: F2P Clan war War Record: Official War Hugging/Tanking allowed Armor allowed Corrupt Dragon Items: Not Allowed Infinite Run (Explorer Rings/Pooling): Not Allowed Combat aiding amulets: Allowed Opts: Full out/ No Caps Opt Type: Only members registered in Jagex Cup Allowed Clan wars Map: Plateau CW Rule settings: Safe War (Do not loose items) War Type: Knock out Melee Allowed: Yes Range Allowed: No Mage Allowed: No Binds Allowed: No Food Allowed: Yes Pot Allowed: Yes Prayer Allowed: Yes Time Limit: No Stragglers: Kill 'em all TR Starting 47 TBW starting 33 TR Ending 19 TBW Ending 0 Pics :D [/ I think that gets jsut about everyone, a few people STILL missing from those pics but :P (forgive the randomers, Lord King and deeplander, they were following us in the cw lobby lols :P ) Despite the war finishing with some friction in the cw lobby, Everyone hugged and made up. Thanks for a great fight TBW, goodluck with your future wars. Well fought TR, shame I myself didn't get to fight lols :P :D :thumbsup:

good fight, kudos to DF for having a matched war afterwards too =D> unlucky PKM, if you guys had but the numbers then you could undoubtedly maul most clans in TWR :P :o hawt tanking yet again :mrgreen:

That's not what this is about. The suggestion is to have the ability to remove or put on the skillcapes in a f2p area (right now, you have to be on a member's world). You would still need to be a member in order to purchase one. I am well aware of that, I was simply stating my opinion on the matter ;)

Win to LTH plawks :P :thumbsup:

Gratz on win again HP =D>

Supported. Maybe it's cause I myself am a pure f2per, but f2p should just be given the ability to purchase any skill capes in the f2p areas. After all, it's harder to get to 99 in any skill pure f2p, why shouldn't you be abe to show off and celebrate that like everyone else? add me to the lsit plawks :D ;)

Ancient Guardian, the flaw in your argument is this: people will be people and at the end of the day you cannot predict ANYTHING they will do. In real life we have a legal system set up to 'discourage' dangerous actions. On Rs there is NO way to genuinely keep complete control of your members, sabotouers are patient people who can worm their way into clans and then embarass, humiliate and destroy the clan. Quite honestly I don't think any better of Lk for it, but (A) they might already have rebuked or dismissed that member, (B)how can they genuinely KNOW that a member is going to flame? And © how can they stop someone once he starts? Yes it does, I notice how in some instances people read into the rules too literally, while in other cases they say "no, but it's not in that way, it means in ANOTHER way". A prime example: How can Lth make claims that The LK member was out of bounds, no exceptions, and then justify that their members "were only out for 5 seconds"? Furthermore, how can you look at THAT rule in a literal sense, but as soon as it comes to the Memberlist rule you can go "A but no, because that's a different KIND of memberlist" the simple fact is you CANNOT, it's simply ridiculous. Either rules should be looked at literally OR with exceptions specified before hand. I know I'm taking the Lk side most of the time here, but everyone seems to be attacking them because of past actions. From viewing ALL other topics however, it is apparent that Lk have attempted to reform and change. I say you need to lighten up and all stop the hating. They deserve at least ONE more chance. Prejudice is the scourge of society which leads to communication breakdowns and in turn hatred, try to take a less biased approach next time you approach a subject involving a clan you dis-like ;) P.s. Anceint, there is a strong correlation between people who use green pens and/or 4 or more consecutive pieces of punctuation :L No see what some clans doesn't understand is that " yes you can make mistakes! But your are accountable for your clan member's acton!" There are many clans who have not HAD ANY trouble following the TWR rules and when they break them they get punished. Yes people will be people, and rules will still be rules, in some cases there ARE NO second chance! And Second chance is not given but earned! LK has NOT done that! After all the argueing and stressing from them and DF, it should have been some what better. And also yes it's unfair that " somehow" LK just have the worse luck getting members who drag them down and make them lose wars, I personally feel sorry, but in the end NOT my clan! Answer: tough LUCK! Get use to it! If you can't get good members to join you do the right thing then recruit better! Not anyone els's fault that LK can't get members who can't follow orders! Stuborness is not a downfall but rather view differently by different people. Learn that there is NO Sympathy in everyone, just the few. But the SIMPLE Fact is, YOU can't not, others CAN! And the rules states as OFFICAL clans, not OFFICAL teams or PC or others. And when it comes down to it, it's still a matter of how people look at it. The LK out of bounds did NOT effect too much on the war it self, however, by staying out of BOUNDS for 20+ secs and NOT 5 is a RULE broken! We are not making up our own rules, it's clearly in TWR! And yes if LTH wants to they can cancle that rule out, but how do you explain the other ones? Attacking LTH leader knowing they cant attack first! Haveing Muilty clanners before the war even started! Editing the war vid so it will make LK look like they did Nothing wrong????? The fact that LK ammited of their members breaking rules and muilty clanning is the first strike! LTH never ammited to ANYTHING because there is NOTHING to hide! WHY edit the video if you KNOW you didn't do anything wrong? Hate is something you have live with! No matter if it's in RS or real life! Some people will like you! Some will hate you! And prejudice will always be with US no matter what! Speaking for my self here, prejudice explains the world where NOT everything is equal! And that goes the same for people as well! We will always love and hate. I will always point out the positive and not the negative of clans I like! And viceversa I will ALWAYS try to find flaws of clans I dont like, it's MY human nature! I protect the people and friends that I like. This is no every clans get a cookie whether they did good or bad! The strong lives on and the weak better get stronger or die out... I enjoy seeing clans rise to the top or clans drop dead to the bottom of low.. 3 points 1. Your entire argument is flawed at its very core. Allowing your emotions and opinions to become involved stops you thinking RATIONALLY. Remaining neutral is essential to solving these disputes. Honestly, your opinion doesn't matter, it's what you KNOW that matters. 2. Editing the vid doesn't PROVE that LK cheated, it only strengthens this argument. 3. Your 'tough luck' comment is childish and has nothing to back it up. If you're going to make a statement you have to have a reason, motive or evidence to solidify your claims, else they ca be looked upon as a rant. I can guarantee this war is going to be nullified :)

Lols, the stuborness of both clans is their downfall. I predict this war is going to be completely nullified unless you can settle on something :P It's really ridiculous that it's just descended into claims of falicy and slander. Ancient Guardian, the flaw in your argument is this: people will be people and at the end of the day you cannot predict ANYTHING they will do. In real life we have a legal system set up to 'discourage' dangerous actions. On Rs there is NO way to genuinely keep complete control of your members, sabotouers are patient people who can worm their way into clans and then embarass, humiliate and destroy the clan. Quite honestly I don't think any better of Lk for it, but (A) they might already have rebuked or dismissed that member, (B)how can they genuinely KNOW that a member is going to flame? And © how can they stop someone once he starts? Yes it does, I notice how in some instances people read into the rules too literally, while in other cases they say "no, but it's not in that way, it means in ANOTHER way". A prime example: How can Lth make claims that The LK member was out of bounds, no exceptions, and then justify that their members "were only out for 5 seconds"? Furthermore, how can you look at THAT rule in a literal sense, but as soon as it comes to the Memberlist rule you can go "A but no, because that's a different KIND of memberlist" the simple fact is you CANNOT, it's simply ridiculous. Either rules should be looked at literally OR with exceptions specified before hand. I know I'm taking the Lk side most of the time here, but everyone seems to be attacking them because of past actions. From viewing ALL other topics however, it is apparent that Lk have attempted to reform and change. I say you need to lighten up and all stop the hating. They deserve at least ONE more chance. Prejudice is the scourge of society which leads to communication breakdowns and in turn hatred, try to take a less biased approach next time you approach a subject involving a clan you dis-like ;) P.s. Anceint, there is a strong correlation between people who use green pens and/or 4 or more consecutive pieces of punctuation :L

Goodjob Tk, well played by both sides! Nice starting pile Lgz =D> and nice pull both! Outnumbered and outleveld, but I still think at the start, war could've gone either way :)

Goodfight both, well won LH!

Agreed :D :P Good fight both, unlucky Lgz. Nice tanking btw, as for pileswitches, they can be complex manouvers, you must've been on form SoW B) :) =D>

allowing past experiences to become involved in present situations only serves to cloud your judgement. While we should learn from how LK have behaved in the past, I have also seen some evidence against LTH for breaking rules and so neither clan can really justify their actions AND accuse the other clan. Might as well take what they both won and be happy :)

Speaking neutrally, as the outcome of this war affects me in no way, shape or form: There is a bug that causes this nonsense with the camera, either the ingame minmap freezes causing the picture to remain the same graphically, but it's in fact still moving about so you can click on it and go off in horrible tangents. OR, and I noticed this is particularaly bad when laggy, you can click on one spot and run rings in the wrong direction. It's due to the new update with the 'fix' for the old double back glitch which caused you to run in different directions if you turned the opposite way. Technically speaking he was out of bounds BUT he wasn't being piled and it could well have been down to lag, so I cannot see any problem with this, trying to get a war nullified or re-done on these grounds is just being pernickety, and imo makes it seem like you are LOOKING for reasons to have another shot at it. However, both clans did agree to the rules, in which "No Flaming" was specified. Also, both clans did bring members who were on multiple runeheads. Although you can debate for hours over provided excuses (different clan kind e.g. P.c. or mock clan, unwillingness of other RH list directors to remove that said person, last minute additions) I think it would be in both clans best interest to nullify this rule as, when all is said and done, it was violated by either side. As for the flaming aspect, well clans cannot physically restrain any members, at the end of the day flamers are a liability who the clans have promised to "deal with". However, in the spirit of reconcilliation I think an unpushed formal apology would be a redeeming gesture. Guess the TWR mods will sort it out, but if both clan do apologise and retract earlier statements, then LK are entitled to their win I suppose. If Lth will drop any accusations Kudos to you guys =D> I'd accept the points and move on, from the vid I can see both sides fought well, no sense letting that effort go to waste..

82 go team :D

:thumbsup: Good fight, however it's a shame Zdzira didn't get a better pull to make the war more intersting :( Thanks to Zdzira for being good sports despite the odds stalked against them, and not flaming :D Gf guys, saddened to hear leave you're leaving TWR :( goodluck in the future ;)

I think it's definately got to be community. A clan where you only get together to win wars is essentially pointles. I have much more enjoyable doing things I like with people I can call FRIENDS. Besides, if you have a tight-nit clan community where everyone can trust each other, power shortly ensues :)