Well I was planning to PM a Clan Moderator about this issue and told my members to not make this post a 10+ page topic but since people from other clans already started bringing up evidence than it's already a lost cause in hoping this topic wouldn't reach it. Nevertheless I do not see why officials/members(/others) from PH claim we're actually "crying/whining" about our loss, please if anyone cares to elaborate that with me, it'd be appreciated because we're simply not... The ONLY thing we're trying to make clear is that you guys broke multiple rules such as; having people not on the memberlist or whether people on another TWR memberlist (as stated earlier; TK and Exer) AND the fact you attacked us first WITH two different piles (like you admitted) WHILE our warlord contacted you 20 minutes before the war and agreed on a sniper cap with one of your officials. Wee Man you're terribly wrong when you say that in every circumstance only the rules of the declaration topic count, they CAN be changed when officials from both sides agreed to a change before the war has taken place, such as a sniper cap like we did with an official from your side, yet you broke it. Although this says more about PH when they decide to send 20 people (litterally words taken over from someone of PH in this topic) on our "meatshield" and the rest of you was on your "main pile" on LGZ Rangerr as you can see on the screenshot below (which also truly shows that you guys clearly attacked us first). And even though Vannaka claims that's false, YET we can see him spamming his own name/date in purple (as usual) while attacking first. You tell me Vannaka; Also the fact that you added 8 people straight before the war is kind of saying that you just closed the clan chat and added all the people in it (and on your memberlist) after your PK trip, others warned us about this a bit before the war, basically that's also why we checked your memberlist and took those pictures, as you can see here; NOTE: As you can see on the clock of the picture above, it's 13 minutes untill our war. "Get real please?" ~ Vannaka if you wouldn't had those multiclanners as in TWR terms AND the people not just randomly added before the war then it'd be even almost matched. To prove the fact PH is really multiclanning; - They have their OWN LEADER (Hellboysjd2, current RSN is 'Ph_Ph_Ph_Phh') and OWN HIGH COUNCIL (Ultimair) multiclanning in Exer, I didn't even had to look that long before I recognized these two. - Another multiclanner that was easilly to recognize out of PH's pile (especially when you can see him flaming afterwards); After these 3 I didn't even bother to look for more since it's already pretty obvious you guys have no problems with multiclanning since your own officials do it... Only time i'd cry is when i have tk/exer/randoms in my pull and still only pull 50. Sit down, your own leaders can't say anything i suggest you do the same and accept the fact that your nothing but an open cc. And for the ph leaders, i got a tip you've been doing a bit of laundry on your memberlist, good to see it through next time also remember to lock the warring cc. Lay down. Your accusations are coming from pure anger and are in no way fact. Lock the cc? It was locked, lol. The ML had name changes that we had dealt with, with both our app managers being busy with exams and whatnot, And since we saw you starting to rage over it, Someone decided to update it in theyre place long after the war happened. Most importantly, you would have lost this war, no matter what. You just arent better. Im sorry I have to be so serious, but you dont seem to get that with your ego getting the best of you. You can lie to your members to make them feel good, but in the end they're just going to realize it for themselves. Wait a min... your right. First of all why are you soo serious? Infintone mad? LOL, he anit mad bro he is laughing his butt off because how TWR mods can;t see the muilty clanning infront of them. Second, LGZ never said they didn't perform bad, they are giving out facts of what's going on in the war and outside of it. Third, who fault is it that PH staffs didn't update youalls ML causeing confusion to both TWR and LGZ. Fourth, who are you to say/judge whether LGZ will win/lose their future wars or whatnot? You don't know about this clan and what they been through and your here stateing your own oponions about them? LGZ anit crying that they lost this war, the been in TWR longer than most clans here, they know what's up and down. You guys on the other hand can't handle your own member list correctly and disrespecting LGZ for their facts. Take a look at how many you guys had in the war compare to how many LGZ had and it was Knock-Out war so with that number advantage ofcourse it was clear who had the upper hand. You won the war we all can see that. As for if it was only PH members we all have our oponions. But don't come in here and downplay a clan which many of us respect and you don't just because they are stateing out the truth about this war they had with you guys. PS. reason they binded youall Fall-in was because they wanted take pic of the starting PH members which was something PH should have done but there are no pics to prove it. Quoted King Yufei's last post since that's basically saying enough already. Also if you're not capable/willing to follow TWR rules then please don't even plan on warring because honestly this just gives huge/annoying discussions and it'll will make everyone waste his/her time in reading/discussing/moderating this topic... The things I and others mentioned are simply something you should keep in mind regarding your future TWR wars because obviously you'll get more trouble by ignoring these rules and the lack of respect in general, try reading them again.