Aiel

It's too bad, that one looks way better

This is really a problem people don't seem to realize, too. If you have to pay max cash for some of this t90 stuff, what happens when t95 comes out? First of all, what kind of utter madness will you have to subject yourself to in order to obtain the item? I mean, Barrows looks like it has extremely high KO potential, and Vorago kills take 15-20 minutes each. Are we soon to have legitimate raid bosses, that actually take an hour or longer per kill? Then, how much will it cost? Eventually, things will start being traded solely in terms of spirit shards because the values are so far over max cash that it's simply easier to just represent it all in spirit shards. If you have paid any attention to how things have always been, by the time new stuff comes out the price of those items has greatly depreciated. see virtus wand. see torva. Need I continue? You just agreed with me. You have no idea what the prices were, do you. eh I was wrong about torva, haven't been following prices but virtus wand: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/GEMW/C#t=Nov_19_2012,Nov_05_2013#i=Virtus_wand So that's the only exception, and not only has it been released recently but it has also decreased in price from what it was being traded for on release. My point still stands, they have decreased in price. Zbow has held steady with it's post-release-spike cost, despite sharing a tier with a 1m weapon, http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/GEMW/C#t=Jan_09_2011,Nov_05_2013#i=Zaryte_bow Drygores are holidng steady: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/GEMW/C#t=Jan_13_2013,Nov_05_2013#i=Drygore_mace Ascensions are holding steady: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/GEMW/C#t=Jun_03_2013,Nov_05_2013#i=Ascension_crossbow Armadyl battlestaff is consistent with it's post-release-spike price: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/GEMW/C#t=Sep_13_2011,Nov_05_2013#i=Armadyl_battlestaff Armor largely suffered from being made worthless by EoC, and low tier weapons from being made obsolete when they lost their special attacks, so they suffered from large drops in price following EoC, but high tier weapons have been holding steady.

This is really a problem people don't seem to realize, too. If you have to pay max cash for some of this t90 stuff, what happens when t95 comes out? First of all, what kind of utter madness will you have to subject yourself to in order to obtain the item? I mean, Barrows looks like it has extremely high KO potential, and Vorago kills take 15-20 minutes each. Are we soon to have legitimate raid bosses, that actually take an hour or longer per kill? Then, how much will it cost? Eventually, things will start being traded solely in terms of spirit shards because the values are so far over max cash that it's simply easier to just represent it all in spirit shards. If you have paid any attention to how things have always been, by the time new stuff comes out the price of those items has greatly depreciated. see virtus wand. see torva. Need I continue? You just agreed with me. You have no idea what the prices were, do you. eh I was wrong about torva, haven't been following prices but virtus wand: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/GEMW/C#t=Nov_19_2012,Nov_05_2013#i=Virtus_wand

This is really a problem people don't seem to realize, too. If you have to pay max cash for some of this t90 stuff, what happens when t95 comes out? First of all, what kind of utter madness will you have to subject yourself to in order to obtain the item? I mean, Barrows looks like it has extremely high KO potential, and Vorago kills take 15-20 minutes each. Are we soon to have legitimate raid bosses, that actually take an hour or longer per kill? Then, how much will it cost? Eventually, things will start being traded solely in terms of spirit shards because the values are so far over max cash that it's simply easier to just represent it all in spirit shards. If you have paid any attention to how things have always been, by the time new stuff comes out the price of those items has greatly depreciated. see virtus wand. see torva. Need I continue?

That's exactly what the two J-Mods on today's stream about th Barrows said, however, I find that somewhat hard to believe. I believe Ambler said it's easier then Vorago as well. Keep in mind that people at runefest only had a few hours to try it with strangers who may or may not have had significant PvM experience.

Firstly, this argument is not 7+ years old because Jagex didn't always insist on such a ridiculous standard. Believe it or not, Runescape was once quite a reasonable thing, with regards to its requirements. As for what we plan to do, we plan to criticize this as we have been doing in the hopes that Jagex will listen. Not only is this our right, but it is also a completely constructive activity and one, which Jagex theoretically approves of and welcomes. You seem to forget how much abyssal whips and barrows were. And rares have always been something unreachable to many. Yes, this argument is very old, it just doesn't seem that way. It comes up every time something big is released and the price doesn't drop fast enough. Last time it was Nex stuff. Don't worry guys, maybe in 2 years when seismics are at alch price you can get some, since it seems no one wants to actually try and get them. barrows and whips were never at the level seismics, or even ascensions are at.

Sinkholes! Or if it's an option, Troll Invasion? it's not they're daily tokens

"MMG! MMG! Everyone kept buying gold from RWT because it's half as expensive as bonds! I know! Let's tell them RWTers are DDoSing runescape!" :rolleyes:

Even at 92 you'd have to craft 8000 ess/hr for 3m/hr RCing. Runewiki states you can craft 3000 ess/hr grahking, so lets say 4000 max? yeah nowhere near 3-6m/hr even at 92, let alone 45.

Laughable, not even remotely realistic. The biggest problem with Runescape is the big ticket items. You drop one and your set. You buy all your skills with one drop. you're right, 4m/hr isn't even remotely realistic. A maxed combat player can make 6-8m/hr at DKs, so it'll take 50-75% of the time of a SINGLE 99. It's completely realistic to make the money for seismics etc. off of non-luck based PvM.

I agree that 1m tokens is way way too low for a T90+ weapon, but DG badly needs high level useful content to revitalize it. Also having easy to obtain alternatives doesnt immediately devalue a PvM drop. Look at zaryte bow.

96 hunt and 104 DG today.

Add warbands into farming as well and swap LRC mining out for drop mining iron - its much faster just a lot less afk. Firemaking Curly roots gives better xp:hr than magics (unless done with ring gloves and ba horn + non-bonfire), probably similar situation for elder logs too. neither of those things is true Curly roots are faster than bonfires. You should never, ever use warbands on farming. isn't that only true if you value woodcutting xp?

Add warbands into farming as well and swap LRC mining out for drop mining iron - its much faster just a lot less afk. Firemaking Curly roots gives better xp:hr than magics (unless done with ring gloves and ba horn + non-bonfire), probably similar situation for elder logs too. neither of those things is true

because really why should anyone but the elite get t90 mage gear ever? (also using t90 DW to make t90 2h is a terrible idea in general) Also, Ambler did you try Barrows deluxe at runefest?

lets hope they take feedback from runefest and fix it

Please dont be real please dont be real please dont be real please dont be real ftfy I wont let brassica prime become a thing

I wouldnt train prayer until you can afford 92

"Runescape 2014 18+ months of content planned" ....yeah that's because it has six months of this years content.

I'd guess Suomis ~1.8b (October 2011-October 2012)

dont you mean b&??

I'd get the tokens for a chaotic staff and mage glacors with blood barrage for 99 mage/defense. Use that money to pay for 95 prayer/92 herblore, and maybe drygores as well. Then train melees via slayer.

Nothing's been set forward by the Gower brothers in years. That was a joke. And I'm sure the original RWT rule was under the Gower brothers.

If it's a fact, you can't say little to no risk. Either risk is present or it's not. If it's present, saying it's little risk does not put it in perspective. I'm sure these companies that don't give a crap about Jagex's policies are all above board when it comes to credit card and trade laws so long as a profit is to be made. However, what happens when these guys close up shop once Runescape dies (any day now according to some) and still have that CC info on file? I'm sure none of them will ever consider making use of that info. Here's what I don't get Stev. You sound like buying gold is just fine, unless it's through a mechanism that Jagex sets up. Trust ALL the anonymous gold selling sites, but don't trust Jagex. Thing is, Jagex set up a mechanism for gold sellers over 10 years ago when it created RuneScape and gave the ability to trade. Jagex just introduced another method of trade and now you act like they're going crazy. By the way, Jagex is not selling gold. Jagex is just selling membership, spins and runecoins like they have for months and years now. It's just now in a method to trade that membership, spin or runecoin to others as you see fit. Yeah, the primary purpose for someone buying bonds for $5 will be to sell to another player for ingame gp as their own numbers seem to show. If nobody wants membership, spins or runecoins then the bonds don't sell. Now, it's BS when Jagex claims this is not RWT cause that's exactly what it is. However, it is not gold selling like you're trying to equate. Since you seem to have the inside track on numbers, how are all the sales from the gold selling sites? You claim the prices are stable (easy data to get) but has the volume of sales increased or decreased? That'd be real info into if this experiment (money grab) by Jagex is actually working. If you're stupid enough to put your CC details into a RWT site without paypal, google wallet etc. as a middleman, you're probably going to end up a victim of CC fraud at some point anyway. And I believe that Stev is saying the same thing I've been saying: illegal rwt is the same as jagex rwt, unless you view the rules as some divine guidance set forth by the almighty Gower brothers to guide us to a life of morality and justice.

I'm not sure goldfarming sweatshops are that bad relative to other sweatshops anyway (working with computers is inherently less dangerous then working with manufacturing equipment).