Aiel

you will want to start as either a duo hybrid, or solo mage with hybrid, either way get an experienced friend to help you. I'd help but I dont own combat gear atm, and I have little to no desire to purchase it.

its worth noting that the C'bow received a buff to 120 range bonus, making it actually worth it decent if you range slay/arma a decent amount

As I explained earlier, I did not calculate DPS, I calculated damage efficiency ratios. It does not matter if you calculate the rapier at an accuracy factor of 1.0 and the cls at 1.14 OR if you use .86 for the rapier and 1.0 for the cls. The efficiency ratios still come out the same. The cls in stab mode is still 1.6% better and in slash mode it is 41 or 42% better. You really don't get this math and statistics stuff do you? btw, dps in COD or Modern warfare are easier to calculate since the only variables are how much damage is done per hit and how many shots per second are made. You really can't figure dps on Runescape because each hit is variable based upon random number generators within a given range. i.e. I shoot weapon A in COD or Mod warfare and it does 10 points damage. I can shoot 10 times in a second therefore weapon A has a DPS of 100. However, in rune scape Weapon A might hit 0 or it may hit 500. It can hit once in every 3 seconds...what is its dps? We really cannot predict that since the amount of damage it does is variable. The only way to calculate it, is to assume that hypothetically it will hit it's max of 500 each time. Either that, or use a mean value of 250. Even if we were to use a mean value of between 0 and max hit for the cls and rapier, the mean value for the cls would still be higher than the mean value for the rapier. The out come would still be that my calculations, whether we use the max hit value or the mean hit value, and so long as the rapier is 25% faster, and the cls hits 11% more accurately on stab and 59% more accurately on slash, are still valid calculations. wrong. a 59% boost in accuracy bonus=/=a 59% boost in accuracy. You use the average value (250 from your example) because there is an equal chance that you will hit any number and therefore the long term average is (max hit+1)/2. This gives you your average damage per hit assuming 100% accuracy. If you divide this by the weapons speed (2.4 seconds p/hit, 3 seconds p/hit, etc.) you get the average DPS assuming 100% accuracy. When you factor in accuracy it gets a little more complicated, but if you know your opponents defense level, or can estimate it using turmoil (this is inaccurate, defense bonuses from amour are not shown, this makes it impossible to calculate your DPS vs a monster), you can calculate your %accuracy. This is then multiplied by your average 100% accuracy DPS in order to get your true DPS. The defense level is essentially irrelevant however, as I already have shown that against a target with essentially infinite defense the rapier is ~4% better then the longsword. The reason no one will do that is because there is NO situation other then the duel arena where you wouldn't be using stat boosting gear/potions/prayer. Why would you do that? It's idiotic. Honestly though, just out of pure boredom, I'll do it if you want. My RS name is the same as here. The stat boosts would be the same if you both used the same gear/options/prayer. Because the stat boosts would be the same we can do the trials with out them since they would have the same effects. Cool, you have same stats as me though. I'll look you up. I'm honestly curious. the test will only be accurate if you both have the same stab and slash defense bonuses, both use overloads, both use turmoil, and both have identical gear excluding the weapons slot, both use identical pking stratagies, both have identical ping, both attack at the same time to start with, and both do not use spec weapons. These factors make a test impracticable, so it must be done either long term (xp gains from slayer/AZ's/boss KP/H), or with math as I have already done.

the only one with no desire to know the truth is you m8.

You have discreted and discounted yourself and any statements and/or hypothesis you have put forward. ICWUTUDIDTHAR also, 1. as I have said the spreadsheet I linked you to IS OPEN SOURCE YOU CAN SEE OUR FORMULA. 2. the numbers I used are not incorrect. 3. "the rapier generally won" is refering to the fact that on a monster much weaker to slash then stab, the longsword will perform better. 4. fraudulent data, right.

No, again you jump to a false conclusion. Remember, that cls is also stronger in stab than the rapier. lmfao trolled. The point of my earlier numbers which you seem to be avoiding is that against essentially infinite (100000) defense, in maxed gear, etc, etc, the chaotic rapier will have a higher DPS then the chaotic long. This means that in ANY situation where the monster has equal or approximately equal defense against stab and slash, the rapier is ALWAYS better. The only thing that you demonstrated was that you used false data for your computations which I caught immediately. You entered the strength and attk bonuses on the cls and the rapier as being equal, and the only difference you had between the two was the better speed on the rapier. Without even crunching the numbers you can conclude that two weapons with equal str and attk but where one is faster, the faster weapon would do more damage. However, as I have stated several times now, you falsified data and came up with a false conclusion. The only thing you have demonstrated is your lack on ethics and integrity. You have totally discredited and discounted yourself. the link gives you the default entries, you need to input the values your self. I'll redo it to make you happy. values used: attack level: 125 strength level: 125 combat style: agressive attack prayer: 29.1% (turmoil) strength prayer: 32.9% (turmoil) target defense level: 100,000 rapier: speed: 6 attack bonus: 153 strength bonus: 136 damage per hour: 1171 longsword: speed: 5 attack bonus: 176 strength bonus: 155 damage per hour: 1130 so much for my false numbers.

it would seem you got trolled by somebody who input a target of 100,000 effective defense into my spreadsheet. Oh wait, was that you? No, it wasn't me. Someone put in invalid data and I pointed it out. However, I would appreciate any input you may have including the formulas you used for your spread sheets. Thanks, Ren its not invalid and I already pointed out that his spreadsheets are open source. No one has been able to demonstrate a valid reason as to why you think the rapier is better than the cls, either mathematically or logically.

No, again you jump to a false conclusion. Remember, that cls is also stronger in stab than the rapier. lmfao trolled. The point of my earlier numbers which you seem to be avoiding is that against essentially infinite (100000) defense, in maxed gear, etc, etc, the chaotic rapier will have a higher DPS then the chaotic long. This means that in ANY situation where the monster has equal or approximately equal defense against stab and slash, the rapier is ALWAYS better.

500k xp p/h 5 gp/xp

because there's no visable difference in speed between rapier and maul.

I think that's the one thing they can't do. I'd be really surprised if it wasn't possible for them to do so. I mean, they're probably not supposed to/not allowed, and wouldn't. But they probably could if they really wanted to. I would be surprised if it wasn't possible, it needs to be accessible by admins in case of a potential police investigation.

What calulation? You have offered no calc but rather have regurgitated someone else's hypothesis. I imputed the numbers, using the input calc that's there, I believe its open source you can look at his calculations if you want to. Also, by that same logic I could refute your use of runehq's max hit calc. Using Grimy's own numbers they are flawed. Grimy assumes 550 max hit on rapier. 550 x 25 hits/min x 60 mins = 825000 possible damage per hour not 1,171. If max damage on one hit is 550 then 1,171 in one hour means that the rapier only hits 2.13 times in an hour. You really should test the mathematics and hypothesis of other people's work rather than just quoting them as gospel because it happens to support your position. DPS is not damage per hour sir. And you're misreading it. skimmed your post my bad. And vs 100,000 defense you would only be hitting ~twice per hour.

its ironic because the rally is led by the very kind of person who qualifies as a moron. Also, smaller government is not necessarily good. Please explain to me how he is a moron, because I certainly can't see it. Everything he's predicted, as far as I know, has come true so far. And while smaller gov't isn't necessarily good, it can be. Nearly everything he says is playing on the public's fears for his own personal gain. Is that the kind of person you want elected?

What calulation? You have offered no calc but rather have regurgitated someone else's hypothesis. I imputed the numbers, using the input calc that's there, I believe its open source you can look at his calculations if you want to. Also, by that same logic I could refute your use of runehq's max hit calc.

its ironic because the rally is led by the very kind of person who qualifies as a moron. Also, smaller government is not necessarily good.

using this DPS calc, you can calculate that the rapier has slightly higher dps (4.1 lp) in maxed gear, with overloads and turmoil, against monsters with a defense level of 100,000. A CLS is only better against a monster that is drastically strong against stab. /thread

if you are attacking the zarfot on crush with a crapier however your accuracy will be 9001%. I too can pull numbers out of my [wagon].

my opinion on glenn beck: it scares me that 300,000 people are willing to go to a rally led by him.

that'll be like the 6th time you post whip #10. WHAT I DONT EVEN. also gratz on more hatchets then me

I think players like zarfot because he makes lots of informative videos/guides.

team or solo gwd?

Awesome. Just awesome. Look at your man. Now back to me. Now back at your man. Now back to me. Sadly, he Isn't me. However if he stopped using lady scented body-wash and used Old Spice he could smell like me. THIS PICTURE IS NOW DIAMONDS! im on a horse. im on a boat.

looks better then agile top IMO. :thumbup:

he -should- be in the fenced in area in the back of the house.

I'm 99% sure zil is weak to crush.