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How am I "dumb/poor" for getting 99 range before this method came out? I got 99 range "the old fashioned" way and have done the 4M experience after that. I just dislike the method - spend a load of money and get nothing in return. On my way to 99 range I earned myself three party hats, purely from ranging. Before chins came out there were probably only 2000 99 rangers, if that. Now there's over 10,000. It's just become a less "respected" skill and it also annoys me how some people assume I used chins to get to 99, I spent hours on end at greaters and my "achievement" has been "downgraded" thanks to the chinning method. Yes, but until you accept that as RS continues, every method of training will become easier and easier, you're bound to be disappointed for using the less-efficient methods. There's nothing wrong with getting lucky at GW and spending your money wisely :P And yes many have 99 range now, though surprisingly a lot of them did it the old-fashioned way even after the release of chins because they don't think they can afford it. I respect people with their capes to a certain extent, but not really that much. I think it's wrong to work your [wagon] off for a cape just to be validated by other people, and I also think it's wrong to care about what other people think about you (whether or not you "deserve" to wear a cape). I don't care what other people think of my training methods or my stats or anything - I have the stats I want, and that's all that matters to me.

Yeah but you didn't earn anything from getting 99 woodcutting or 99 fishing either unless you did the slow way of sharks/magics. Either way, hunter is still significantly faster than those two and you'll still make a considerable profit as well.

Yes this is true too, unfortunately. I'll be honest and say after I grinded to 99 magic on muggi, I did feel sorta angry towards those who got 99 magic in under a month just from using ancients. Though, I don't feel that way towards anyone anymore since I hadn't realized time is money at the time.

It's not wasting money, it's being smart lol I never had over 3M at once on Karma while I was getting 99 range, and whenever I'd be on my way to Ape Atoll or whatever people would be like "wow you must be rich!" Another example... I got to 99 mage on muggi the hard way by alching to 94 and enchanting to 99... I was planning on enchanting to 99 on Karma as well but then I looked into the string-amulet spell. While it costs a whopping 650k per hour, it gave 130k XP/hour. Since I had void and 99 range at this time I was making 750k-1M per hour at aviansies now. I ended up saving about 20 hours of training magic by using string-amulet. Plus, the fact that spell is very fun to use since it's basically automatic, made getting to 94 magic a breeze! My friend who had like 20M didn't understand how I was getting to 94 so much faster than he was since I never had over 3M and he was alching 24/7 It's not about wasting money. It's about being smart with your time and funds. Another note... I value "fun" more than efficiency. When I train slayer I realize I could be getting tasks done much quicker if I did certain things, but it's sorta stressful to go out of my way to do that. I enjoy relaxing on tasks and taking my time on them. Fun > efficiency Yes, I'm very interested in figuring out their reasoning as well. I thought about it for a long time and sadly the only conclusion I could come up with is: they're ignorant >_>

It seems like this forum's general scope on spending money on skills is a negative one. I thought of this when I was reading the Chinchompa Nerf - Good or Bad? topic. So how exactly did you guys come to the conclusion that it's bad to spend money on skills to get them very quickly? Using ranged as an example... Back when hunter was released and chinchompas weren't very well-known, I was 85 ranged at the time. I ended up going from 85-99 in only 30 hours for only like 12M. I can see why THAT needed to be nerfed; low cost, high gain - it basically made every other possible range-training method completely obsolete. Though after time they kept downgrading the efficiency of chinchompas. First they did less damage. Second they could only hit 9 targets max. Finally more and more people discovered them so they shot up in price to around 800ea. I think at this point they were balanced, since while you got about 200-250k XP/hour, you were also spending over 1M per hour (I forget the exact figures I had worked out long ago). That seems fair, doesn't it? Apparently not... it seems that most people here believe that you shouldn't be allowed to gain such massive XP, regardless of its cost, as if it devalues the achievement for others or something. I've got a lot of friends who got 99 ranged the old-fashioned way... doing things like training on fire giants for over 200 hours with iron arrows. I told them how I almost felt guilty since I got 99 so quickly and cheaply on muggi. Because of that, I never really wore the ranged cape haha Though, when I decided to go for 99 ranged a second time, I looked into other methods since I believed chins were too expensive. This is another thing that surprises me... People don't seem to realize that TIME = MONEY Here's an outdated, yet simple example... You make your money by rc'ing nats and you make about 300k an hour. You just got a berserker ring from Rex and you go to world 2 to sell it. You want to sell it for 3M, but the highest that anybody is offering is 2.9M. So you wait, and wait, and wait, and wait some more... an hour later you find someone who buys it off you for 3M. Here's why that is bad: you just spent an hour doing nothing only to save 100k. It only takes you 20 minutes of rc'ing to earn 100k, yet you spent a whole hour saving the money. If you had sold the ring within 20 minutes or sooner, it would've been a good deal. But since you didn't, you were better off selling it cheap then rc'ing :P Here's another, more specific example (I'll be making up figures, however they'll have the same basic result of my original figures)... Let's say you want to get 99 ranged. You're level 75 so you've got around 1M range XP already and you only need 12M more XP :P You've got 1M gp in your bank; you aren't rich. However, to make money you range aviansies. Since your range level isn't too high, you make around 500k an hour there on average. You look into using the bone bolts to train range... You'll need about 200k bone bolts max to get 99 range and it'll only cost you 800k. That's affordable, right? The downside is, you only can get 40k XP/hour. So while it'll only take you 2 hours of aviansies to pay for the ammunition, it'll take you 300 hours of ranging to get the remaining 12M XP. Thus, using bone bolts will take 302 hours to get 99 range. You look into using the chinchompas to train range... You'll need around 70k chins to get 99 range and that'll cost you a whopping 28M! There's no way you can afford that! However, you'll be getting 200-250k an hour with these! You end up spending 56 hours to earn 28M and then you spend about 60 hours using the chins. Thus, using chins will only take you 116 hours to get 99 range. More than half the time you'd have spent using bone bolts. As I said earlier, I was making up very broad figures, however when I was doing these calculations several months ago after the chins had been rebalanced, I was comparing several different methods and chins were by far the most efficient. So what about the rich people? They're fortunate to not have to raise the funds needed to afford the chinchompas. That money had to come somewhere. Nowadays it's much easier to legitimately earn 20M+ because of God Wars, though in order to do that efficiently/reliably, you need to have good stats. So, let's not assume that the rich people did something bad such as RWT'd or lured for their money. Rather, let's assume that they worked hard for their money. So I pose the question: Why don't they deserve to spend it? (Sorry if I got off-topic a little by explaining time vs money... I feel that most people don't think that way when it comes to training skills which cost money)

rune knives and dragon darts were only like 300ea last time I checked... they're still 100k XP/hour use at aviansies and you make a profit the nerf does seem unnecessary though... when I got 99 range on muggi, it deserved a nerf since: -chins cost 225ea -they hit unlimited targets -they did around 25 damage w/o any prayers -I was getting up to 1k XP per chin at times when I used chins on karma... -chins cost 800ea -they hit 9 targets -they did around 20 damage max with 98 range and eagle eye -I was getting up to 300-400 XP per chin max it seems unfair since it costs a good 70M or so to get 99 range with chins. hunter's gonna become a lot less popular :| all the other spots are pretty inefficient like the mummies since I always thought they were pretty tricky to lure into place so you could be hitting 9 at a time and not wasting your chins

*barf* And how are you supposed to sing. Does it work just like Karaoke Revolution, or do you hit the notes with your voice and the song sings itself? Am I the only one who still uses the old red controller? I think it's kinda geeky how they keep trying to make the guitars look realistic... like they think most people only play guitar hero because they really do want to be rock stars but gave up on real guitar -.- Can't hear myself strum to maintain rhythm w/ a Rock Band controller and the wireless controller that came w/ GH3 is delayed when strumming :wall:

Unstrung jewellery isn't junk, it's used for the string-amulet spell which is 130k magic xp/hour

Buy as many uncut diamonds as you can afford, cut them for massive crafting XP To make your money back, buy other supplies and craft into diamond bolts... enchant them (very fast magic xp) and sell for profit

Scarabites are very good... Check out Zarfot's guide on the RSOF, I think it's the best guide out there (better than AMJ's... which is hard to top) http://forum.[Please Use QuickFind Code].ws?22,23,733,55654062

Terrain looks pretty and the lag wore off after a while, though it's still extremely laggy in CW and GE I hate it how everyone looks like a cartoon and looks very feminine

Cuz he lies all the time and does anything for attention Makes up bogus awards for himself as well

I've been playing on old detail- the only difference is the terrain which I don't care about My character looks the same

I might be quitting... this game looks too damn cartoony now, and my character looks like a girl

Pfft, range animation looks awesome now. :roll: And bows *gasp* actually have strings! [hide=][/hide] How is that [developmentally delayed]? I swear if it were up to some of you we'd still be way back in the beginnings of RSC where the most powerful armor was steel... so many of you seem to feel that change = bad no matter what it is. Holy HELL!!! What is that Skull Armor the character in the middle is wearing?!? Probably Khazard

Can't wait to make custom Dream Theater songs :thumbsup:

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5-starred TTFAF on expert tonight :D http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68327 Working on getting 100% on Cult of Personality and Cliffs of Dover at the moment. Maybe Nothing For Me Here too since it's pretty easy/fun too :thumbup: It's based on score ;) Unless you're not talking about GH2 or GH3... then I wouldn't know :P

Certain ancient hits take a while for the damage to register, others register instantly Slow: Blitz spells, ice barrage, smoke barrage Fast or instant: Shadow barrage, blood barrage Blitz spells are slower than ice or smoke barrage so they give you more room for error... depends on how far away you're standing from your opponent Ice barrage followed by blood barrage is a potential 30-29 In the vid I did ice blitz to shadow barrage which hit the max of 26-28 And I have KO'd many people with that technique because as we can see, most people do not realize it is possible to combine spells like that :P

I wish people would stop saying it's impossible to KO someone with magic :wall:

Nice, im only 79 range so i might use your method. But still, cleaning herbs is not practical.. u gotta clean 10 herbs to be equivalent of 1 potion. Some things are more practical depending on how much money you have. For example if you have 100M you can afford to buy a TON of grimy herbs and spend hours doing nothing but cleaning (80k xp/hour) and making the profit Same goes for diamond bolts... you lose money cutting the diamonds but you make it back if you take the time to fletch diamond bolts (e) and sell. You gain a ton of magic xp as well

They all work lol, I've done them all before As for range with chins... I ranged aviansies and spent profits on chins. It was much more efficient than using something like knives or bone bolts the whole way, and I was very poor too. Never really had over 5M the whole way to 99 range from 75

There are many ways to train every skill and gain a profit or lose very little money while gaining a large amount of XP Most people aren't creative enough to look for them lol Cooking: Bake Pies Smithing: Smith bolts Fletching: Maple longs (u) Herblore: Buying grimy kwuarm/snapdragon/ranarr, cleaning, selling for profit Crafting: Buy uncut diamonds and cut ... then make into diamond bolts (e) and sell for profit Magic: Plank-make Range: Aviansies It's really not that hard... lol

That's not karma Karma decides what happens to you after you die, not what happens to you next week cuz you just mugged an old lady

hitpoints, magic, prayer only need hp, range, prayer to survive in RS though, using GW as your source of money since you can't use any gathering skills questionnaires forum, anyone?