I thought I should write a post on how I personally overcame those fears since AFAIK most of the people ITT are still virgins, or at the very least they don't have very much control over their dating/sex/relationship lives >_> Pretty much just wrote as much stuff as I could as it popped into my mind so I apologize if this post seems incoherent and shit. I also didn't feel like re-reading and proofreading it after I wrote it cuz it's long as [bleep] and I've got stuff to do :P [hide=How to Succeed at Dating: A Brief Guide for Socially-Awkward Basement-Dwelling Neckbeards and Virgins:] 1. Get a part-time job in retail/customer service. My first job was a part-time cashier at the university book store. Many of the customers were hot college girls. This job was great because it forced me to interact with hot women, even if all I was doing was ringing up their textbooks and then telling them to have a nice day. In my first week working there, I remember feeling nervous when a hot girl would come to my register. By the time I quit working there, I would always hope that hot girls would come to my register so I could talk to them. This job didn't teach me how to get laid, but it did teach me that most people are inherently friendly and polite to strangers, and that making small talk with strangers (whether it's a little old lady or a smoking hot sorority girl) is nothing to be afraid of. 2. Spend as much time as possible with friends/acquaintances who possess desirable qualities/attitudes/beliefs I had two close friends who I spent as much time as possible with. One friend was basically a troll in real life. He was socially fearless, he straight up didn't give a [bleep]. He would "dress up" as party boy and run around the frat house humping our fraternity brothers just to make them uncomfortable while everybody else would laugh. But the biggest thing to note here is: everybody LOVED him. He said the things that everybody else was thinking but nobody had the balls to say. People admired him for that. He also had a 4.0GPA and made a lot of contributions to the fraternity. So at the end of the day, he was well-liked by everybody. It's important to note that everybody liked him because this was enough real-life proof for my brain that you can possess the same qualities as him and people won't hate you for it; quite the opposite in fact. So these days I'm very confident and carefree as a result of my time spent with him... and I'm like a people-magnet now >_> People who are super carefree and confident are a rare breed these days, so I'm a breath of fresh air for everybody that I meet, just like my friend was for me many years ago. My other close friend was extremely confident and got laid all the time. We'd be out eating lunch somewhere and he'd be making dirty sexual comments to our waitress. I'd always get embarrassed, thinking about how uncomfortable and creeped out or waitress must feel... except the waitress would smile, blush, and then end up sleeping with him later on. He was proof to me that if you have a certain vibe and attitude, you can say almost anything to women and instead of creeping them out, you'll turn them on. The funny thing is, we had a mutual friend who would also feel uncomfortable when he seduced girls. He'd always say, "Man I can't believe he can say stuff like that. I'd get slapped if I said that! He's just got that certain kind of charm to him." Last week I ate dinner with that same mutual friend. Apparently I said something to our waitress that our old friend would've said. "I can't believe you just told our waitress that! If I said that, she'd slap me!" my friend said to me. I smiled to myself and changed the subject. :) So if you follow those two basic points, you'll probably have pretty high self-esteem and you'll feel very comfortable in your own skin. You'll be able to make small talk with just about anybody and they'll think you're a pretty cool guy. But despite being a "cool guy," that will all go down the drain if you still don't understand how dating works. I know tons of guys who are social butterflies, yet still constantly get condemned to the Friend Zone. 3. Get a job in sales The sales world and the dating world are extremely similar. You'll get rejected several times on a daily basis-- enough to desensitize your fear of rejection. You'll make clients very uncomfortable when you try to close the deal-- enough to desensitize your fear of discomfort and awkward situations. And you'll get in the habit of expressing your interest upfront and actively forcing people to reject you, because you will understand that is much better to be rejected than it is to be uncertain. I remember my first month of sales... it was a nightmare because I couldn't get any sales. I was being too "nice" (read: passive). I'll never forget this one man I was trying to sell. I was comparing our product to his, and our product was better across the board. I was saving him money and I was getting him better stuff. He even told me how he'd thought about switching over to my product in the past. I'll never forget that conversation: Him: Wow this really is a better deal then. I'll save money and I'll get better stuff. Me: Yup! :) (silence as he continues to compare the two products) Him: Ok well I think I'll just stick with what I've got for now, but thanks! Bye! I rarely get angry. Including this incident, I've only been "angry" about 3 times in the past 6-7 years. The reason why this pissed me off so much because it was proof that being nice and passive just isn't enough to achieve success in sales. As my sales coach would later tell me, the reason why I didn't get that sale was because I didn't take control. I didn't force him to make a decision. I (incorrectly) assumed that this guy was smart enough to realize "this is a better deal. therefore I'll take it." I (incorrectly) felt like I was being "manipulative" if I took control of the situation. "You need to understand, muggi," said my sales coach, "Most people are terrified of taking risks. They're terrified of being held accountable. They're terrified of making their own decisions, and having those decisions end up as poor decisions. That's why you have to take control... if they take a risk and fail, then they can tell themselves that it's your fault and not theirs. They will no longer be afraid of taking risks and making decisions because they have you to blame. These clients look like adults, but they are really just children, and you are their parent. They think they know what they want, but they don't. You know better than they do-- their judgment is impaired by fear. You are the parent, they are the child, and our product is the vegetables they don't want to eat. You both know that they should eat their vegetables. But they're never going to do it unless you take control and make them." After that conversation, I started taking control in sales. Instead of waiting for my clients to come to a decision, I forced them to make a decision on the spot. Within one week, my sales tripled and my clients were all extremely grateful for my services. Dating really isn't that different. Most guys view sex as something based on chance/luck, instead of having a systematic view of human psychology and biology. If I go on a first date with a girl and I just talk to her for an hour as if she was any other person, at the end of the night she'll probably think, "he's a really cool guy!" However she probably won't want to sleep with me. Or if she does, she won't want to sleep with me until I've taken her out to dinner at least three more times and taken things very slowly (and expensively) with her. The reason why she's behaving this way is my fault for being a [kitty] and not expressing my interest in her. But if on the first date, in addition to just talking to her as if she was any other person, I simply start holding her hand without asking for her permission, suddenly the chances of her wanting to come back to my place to "watch a movie" skyrocket. Why? Because now she knows that I want to [bleep] her and I'm not afraid to show it. The funny thing is, that's all it takes. We live in an interesting time period where most men are [kitties] and are afraid to be direct with women. So when a guy like me comes along, it's a breath of fresh air for her. Confident men are very rare these days. And like I said, all I'm doing is just holding her hand while I continue to talk to her as if I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary. The first time I tried touching a girl on a first date, I knocked her beer over as I went to grab her hand. It was extremely awkward....... and she wouldn't stop texting me the next day. Even though I was extremely awkward and nervous about doing it, the fact that I had the balls to do it was enough to turn her on and demonstrate that I'm the kind of guy she fantasizes about. I've been on dozens of dates now, and so far I've only had one girl get extremely uncomfortable when I grabbed her hand. And the funny thing is, it didn't bother me at all because by that point I understood how girls like that are rare. And not only are they rare, they probably aren't completely socially/emotionally mature yet. Even if you're awkward, most women will still be very pleased with your confidence. And a lot of the time, you can see their eyes light up when you do this. That alone is enough to convince you that you're doing something right :P At the end of the day, I think for a lot of guys, the reason why they can't muster up the balls to talk to women (or touch them, or express their intent with them) is because: 1. they overestimate how unhappy rejection/failure will make them and/or 2. deep down, they still believe what they're doing is effective To give you some perspective, think about something else in which you risked failure in order to master. For example, riding a bike. When I was a little kid, I worried about everything. I didn't learn how to ride a bike until I was 9 years old (whereas most of my friends could ride their bikes by the time they were like 6 or 7). Mostly because I knew I was bad at it, and I was afraid to try to improve because I didn't want to fall of my bike and get hurt. The thought of getting injured scared the shit out of me. I didn't learn how to ride my bike until my older brother dedicated his entire day to teaching me how to learn. I looked up to my older brother and thought he was really cool, so that was my motivation to overcome my fear. I didn't want to disappoint him and waste his time. It's interesting to note that my brother came to me and basically told me, "You're learning how to ride a bike today. If you don't want to learn, tough shit, you gon' learn today." Fast forward to the end of the day and I could ride my bike decently well. Well enough to improve on my own without the fear of injuring myself. The interesting thing to note is, as soon as I learned how to ride my bike, suddenly all of failures became irrelevant. It didn't matter that I fell off my bike a thousand times before learning. The success justified the failures. The failures would only remain relevant if I gave up before I succeeded. Additionally, as soon as I started risking failure, and failed, I didn't actually feel bad. Instead of feeling unhappy for failing like I thought I would, I actually felt happy for failing! Failing made me feel alive and proud of myself for doing what I knew I should be doing, even though I was terrified to do so. Next time you see a hot girl, just TALK to her and see what happens. I can almost guarantee that your interaction will ultimately go nowhere, but I can also guarantee that you feel extremely happy regardless. You're afraid of making a move because you're afraid that if you fail, you will think, "Wow I [bleep]ed that up, I'm such an idiot for even trying, I feel so unhappy now and I regret doing that! My life is over! I should probably just kill myself." In reality, if you make a move and fail, you will think, "Wow I [bleep]ed that up, but I'm so proud of myself for trying. That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be-- in fact, it was kind of exciting! I want to do that again now! I feel more confident now than I've ever felt before!" As an adult, I no longer have the luxury of someone forcing me outside of my comfort zone because they know what's best for me. If I want to succeed, I'm the only person who can force me out of my comfort zone to get what I want out of life. If I don't want to eat my vegetables, I don't have to, but I'll suffer the consequences for such a decision down the road. And things will remain that way until I change. Because I can guarantee that nobody is going to come along to save me and force me to eat my veggies. Finally, keep in mind that your time on this earth is limited. And the sooner you start making smart choices and habits, the better your life will be in the long run. I started exercising consistently when I was 18. By the time I was 22, I could bench press 4x as much as I could at age 18. What if I started exercising at age 23 instead? Then that means when I hit age 24, I would be nowhere near lifting 4x (or even 3x or 2x) my starting weight. If I'm going to live to be 70 years old, then that means it would be in my best interest to start developing healthy habits and beliefs as soon as possible. I'd rather hit age 70 with 50+ years of exercise under my belt than 1 year because at age 69 my doctor told me I'm going to die if I don't start exercising. Don't wait till tomorrow. If you keep telling yourself that you're going to wait until tomorrow to start getting out of your comfort zone, then before you know it, you'll be on your deathbed with all of your fears still intact. Except this time, you'll no longer have the luxury of saying "I'll just do it tomorrow." By then it will be too late. [/hide] TL;DR: Go get a job that forces you to be social if you get anxious around all types of strangers (not just women). Go spend as much time as possible with people who are well-liked and have what you want if you don't have high self-esteem yet. Go get a job in sales if you don't have full control over your dating life. If you have any objections to my advice, let me know. Otherwise you have no excuses and your life will remain as it is until you die-- comfortable, but incomplete.