Jebrim

After being F2P for nearly three years, I did their two week trial like 2 weeks ago and I am still on the hiscores after going F2P once again. [hide] Most efficient I've ever been on RS - got about 20% more xp overall, which isn't bad for two hour days [/hide] Don't forget it takes a couple of weeks for them to remove you off the hiscores once you go F2P again. Skwysh has been F2p since August and is still on the hiscores. That's how I know.

If you go p2p and log in/out at least once and then f2p again, you remain on the hiscores now. He may have done it for that. It's been like that for a couple of months now.

Level 142 - 921008346 xp Level 143 - 1016875516 xp 921m Xp and 1017m Xp... You'd be 142 but pretty close to 143.

People grind skills endlessly more because of passion and ambition and less because of some form of intrinsic "entertainment" involved. If you're passionate about something, no amount of being told skilling is "a huge waste of time" as judged by someone else will change that. I view skilling as "work", but it's also work that I'm passionate about and thus I don't care if I don't get some monetary benefit from it. It's also a nice relaxing use of one's time. I even find the combination of Agility and music to be an excellent tool in calming my nerves if I ever get really worked up and stressed out.

I view heavy nolifing as a tough challenge that should be respected for anyone that achieves it, not as a negative.

That makes 16,5 hours a day on average. Are you sure about this..? Yep. He's been #2 for hours/year for several years now. Drumgun has been #1 although idk about this past year. It's why I've been saying since 2009 that Suomi would inevitably become #1 Overall in the long-term and be the only person to ever get 200m in all skills. I still think so. Suomi doesn't do burst nolifing though. He consistently does around 110-120 hour weeks. Skiller 703, Drumgun, and myself all have big week records that are better than his. We've set 150h+ week records. Suomi hasn't. Drumgun sets all sorts of records. Skiller and I are more similar. We'll set a record and then drop off the radar again. I considered myself retired until this past week where I set a new Agility record on Runetracker with about 21 hours/day. It's the first one I've done like that in 2 years and will probably stop again idk lol.

Suomi averages somewhere around 6k hours per year. This is judging by his Runetracker gains the past few years.

Suomi has over 1k days btw.

Just remove the old values on left side, they're redundant.

It's too hard to read now

He's constantly tweaking Xp rates so I doubt that'll be possible.

Divide week by 7, don't rely on what you see in daily lol

no

Supposedly you can make 10m/hr doing QBD.

Clearly Jake has the advantage lol.

You kinda touched on something there that I think might be the answer to this. If you view it as only a means to an end, then the least amount of work is the best. If you value the journey as more important than just the end, then more work put in is best. EDIT: My post was in response to Deletion but it seems muggi said more or less the same thing as I was finishing up typing this post lol.

July 2002

Ty, it was my suggestion.

It'd take a little longer, but it isn't really a significant amount of extra time (relative to all 200m's). By level 80 most skills are near the used Xp rate and no skill really takes that long to get to 80.

I mentioned earlier that it may marginally make it more impressive, since it was more challenging for that person. That of course is debatable. I'm not exactly sure where I stand on that.

This isn't even about me tbh lmao. I respect Lover Romeo's achievements and believe he's done a lot better than the vast majority of maxed players. But he's nothing compared to Suomi.

I fully agree with this bit. However, we are going to have to agree to disagree when it comes to different methods within the same skill. If you want to do a skill by a slower method because you enjoy it, or because you want to prolong the skill, that's fine and understandable. However, doing something by a slower method because you expect your final achievement to be more worthy of respect is ludicrous. Suomi and Jake both have 200m wc. Suomi's method was significantly faster. But at the end of the day, what have they both achieved? 200m wc. You talk about putting 'work' in. If doing a skill is 'work' to you, why would you prolong it? I'm not going to give someone kudos because they spent longer than necessary doing something they don't enjoy. Just to clarify something: If someone trained a skill where the maximum xp rate was different, then that could be more worthy of respect in my opinion. For example, those who slayed before Smoking Kills, or did RC before Runespan, their xp achievements are worth more in my eyes than someone who trained those skills using current methods (and gained an equal amount of xp). But that's because they were still using the fastest possible method available to them at the time. If someone chose to do Slayer now without skipping tasks, that wouldn't be worth more in my eyes than someone who does. I'm curious why people made such a big deal over Villandra doing 99 Slayer through just cannoning then if it had nothing do with slower methods. Why do people care about level 3's, if it has nothing to do with slower methods? What about pure F2p's? Pure DIY accounts like Metalmaniac9? The 99 Agility I did from just obstacles at Brimhaven? You may think they're equivalent to normal training methods, but a lot of people think otherwise and make a big deal about it. I'm not talking about which is smarter, just which is more impressive. RS is a game of achievements and going for a lot of Xp is just one way of achieving something. It isn't the only way. I'm going to respect someone who put in a lot more work than someone who didn't put in as much work. How much Xp each player has is irrelevant and is only used as a tool towards figuring out the work. I always convert people's Xp to time and look at how much concentration was needed for the method when I judge people's stats. I've been doing this for hundreds, if not thousands, of people for the past few years. You do the same, but you just want to be stubborn and not be consistent in your position throughout. Instead you want to come up with some arbitrary exception, probably just for the purpose of not wanting to admit you were wrong, which few people are ever able to do in an argument.

Then why does a slower skill end up worth more? It's the exact same thing in terms of work. You can't claim that 2 people doing the same amount of work are weighted differently because one of those skills has a faster Xp rate possible. Regardless of whether faster methods exist, they still put in that work and you can't just magically make it go away lol. Regardless of what skill a player is doing or what specific Xp rate they're getting, a person grinding 12 hours a day for 12 months straight on a non-afkable doing a good pace using that content has achieved something greater than someone grinding 6 hours a day for 5 months straight on a semi-afkable at a mostly poor pace for that method. The former has achieved something greater than the latter in ALL cases. Other information is not needed to make a judgement. You, on the other hand, want to use this method for different skills only and not for the same skill, which is completely absurd. They still put in the larger amount of work regardless and you don't want to give them any credit for it, which is a complete insult.

Actually I have no intent on ever competing for #1 on the hiscores and even if I did, I probably wouldn't win. I'd like the update because it'd be good for competition to be revitalized in all skills again, as the current system is terrible and I have always thought so. The update would provide nothing positive towards my own status within Agility and likely would have the opposite effect tbh, bringing in more competition that could eventually pass 1b Xp on a single account.

I'd like such an update but I don't think Jagex will be choosing that path, sorry.