Jebrim

Ragequitted again after losing it big staking.

Because there's a community of people that hang out together and train Agility. During my race to 99, I added almost everyone in the top page of Agility and got them using my chat. After I closed it and left, they went off and formed their own chat. I'm happy with them and visit sometimes and sell them energies too. :) I've always been big on having an Agility community and knowing everyone that does it and having them get to know each other too. :)

yeah would be nice :P but i think then starts the shit aboutyour ego again when you make the about about yourself lol "the first rank, me, is smashing out crazy gains with playing 14.4hrs a day on avg" will be funny to hear haha (i'm not hating) I don't talk like that. I'm real about everything I say and give my honest opinion. And when I talk about myself, I never say I'm [bleep] epic. You may not be hating, but you're still being quite disrespectful and insultive. i'm not being disrespectful or insultive. i'm also never said that i'm gonna say aomething like that after your update. i just showed you an example how much people will think and if you know what i mean, you should know that "the first rank, me, is smashing out crazy gains with playing 14.4hrs a day on avg" is only a normal update like i would wrote it only difference is that this is written in first person, not third like usual, so everyone will think you got a big ego but it's just a normal update. so i wasn't disrespectful, you just disunderstood me Except I wouldn't say "smashing out crazy gains" which you're not understanding. I don't talk like that nor would I be impressed by something like that.

yeah would be nice :P but i think then starts the shit aboutyour ego again when you make the about about yourself lol "the first rank, me, is smashing out crazy gains with playing 14.4hrs a day on avg" will be funny to hear haha (i'm not hating) I don't talk like that. I'm real about everything I say and give my honest opinion. And when I talk about myself, I never say I'm [bleep] epic. You may not be hating, but you're still being quite disrespectful and insultive. Okay. I'll match that bet. How much?

Okay :) I'm also thinking of doing my own weekly updates in my commentaries on Youtube btw.

Yay the site is back. Foot changed the calculator to be more accurate now and removed the empty 96-99 rc tweak now that we've caught up to the runners. He wants the guy who's doing weekly updates to use the new time graph page that's linked on each individual's tracker page. It shows the hours difference from last week using the new calculations so it'll be accurate.

I think the lower population is due more to bots being banned than people actually quitting 07.

I should be 1st on the site tomorrow. However, if you make manual adjustments to correct the xp rate inaccuracies in the calculator, I'm already in 1st right now. nice gz When's the update?

I should be 1st on the site tomorrow. However, if you make manual adjustments to correct the xp rate inaccuracies in the calculator, I'm already in 1st right now. :)

For Smithing, if you bought gold ore at 400 each and smelted it, that would be around 7.3gp/xp off the capital. Probably less than half that if you managed to sell it. Also, bolts are very cheap to smith (at least for now). You did say "minimum". I take that more to mean what a typical player is willing to spend in terms of time and money. Not one playing it as if he's racing for first to maxed total or 200M in a skill etc. You'll probably hate this, but a lot of players prefer to "welfare" their skills because they don't value all time equally. They would rather do something comfortable and relaxing than save a couple of hours by doing something click-intensive to save time and/or money. I know most players would rather firemake for 60 hours and only have to spend 10 hours making the money to pay for it than to firemake for 25 hours and spend 40 hours making the money to pay for it. Perhaps that would make more sense for a less click-intensive skill, but the point still stands. Making money is generally dreadful in comparison to mindlessly training a skill. I think that's where the disconnect is. Since you seem to only think in terms of time spent in order to reach a goal, where most players think in terms of what they do and do not want to do on their way to a maxing a skill. Most players are willing to sit back and take 175k xp/hr in Fletching while watching some TV and movies while profiting, instead of fletching adamant bolts at whatever speed it is (is there a cap?) with several hundred actions per minute, or clicking three times in order to get 70 XP while doing another skill. Magic you can get a large portion of the experience from other skills. I'm 90 Magic already and most of what I have done is alch my d'hide bodies and maple longbows that I've made from Crafting and Fletching. And the Crafting -> Alching is around break even for the entire process. You can also do things like merchant while you alch, or tan hides, and all sorts of things. And when I say merchant, I mean you can sit back and wait for people to offer good deals which you can profit from. So it's not tough to get that cost down to at least zero or negligible, so I didn't mention it. Farming can be profitable. There's no rush. On the live game, I got 99 Farming in around 5 months doing watermelons, herbs, pineapple trees, and calquats. Was an overall profit. There's no need to do magic trees and such, because even if you start doing "welfare" Farming right now, you'll be 99 Farming much, much, much earlier than 99 in all other skills. Based on Foot's estimation of around 2100 hours for those people at the top to max, at 16 hour days, that's still over 4 months to max. Anyone lower than those figures doesn't have to worry about it at all. It amazed me how many players just left Farming as one of their last skills in the live game and spent tens if not hundreds of million coins playing catch-up. People now have the advantage of time. Would be a shame to let it go to waste. It saves a lot more than 5 hours. I'm not usually the person to say positive things about macro-efficient methods btw. It's just something players need to use to have a shot at maxing first, which is not only the point of this thread but something these forums have been very big on. You're clearly not one of them, but there's a whole bunch load of efficiency worshiping people lying around. They're probably on the 200m's thread.

Dark bows sell for ~6m. At 90 slay you can cannon Dark beasts while alching for some extra range+mage xp while earning those 2,5m/h. Also, I can't see why merching to gain wealth in 07scape could be "wrong". I was under the impression that merching was one of the main reasons why people wanted the pre-GE RS back... He meant that sitting there buying some item and trying to resell it for 50k more, like so many people believe merchanting is, it isn't worth the time since you're not gaining any experience and aren't making money as fast as you could be. There are opportunities to take advantage of naive or desperate people that far exceed any money you could make skilling. But they aren't common enough to be reliable. Can also make long-term investments in bulk or high-price items to make money, but that isn't reliable either. It is very possible to get all of the money to max this way, but not everybody can manage. Although, I think that 600M "minimum" as Jebrim pointed out is an inaccurate estimation. Off the top of my head, Prayer is about 80M, Construction 100M, Herblore 65M. Smithing could be anywhre from break even to 100M depending on how one trains it (superheating gold vs. smelting gold would be a huge difference, for example). Firemaking 10-50M (depending on maple vs. yew vs. magic logs used). Most other skills are negligible cost or profitable. That comes out to 395M maximum. Probably around 300M with the methods most people will actually be using. Unless he means doing things like wines for Cooking, adamant platebodies for smithing, and other things that aren't economically viable. Either way, definitely not 600M "at a minimum". I'm not against merching btw. As for Smithing, you're really really off on that. Smithing is a huge unknown expense atm. Selling gold bars in the massive bulks needed means you really have to have a super low price, which means a much higher cost. And doing plates atm is like 30-40 gp/xp last I heard, which is far too expensive to consider (400-500m? lol). I expect the price on that will go down over time, but it'll remain quite high for awhile. The cost of Farming is going up and atm is around 80m-100m. There's no reason to welfare Firemaking, as you can make money faster. Fletching is another cash loser if you're doing bolts. Superheating or alching for Magic, either way that too is another big loss. If you hire someone to tan your hides for Crafting, that atm is a loss. And these are all more efficient to make money first and then do than to attempt to welfare it.

BAWWWWW people are using legitimate methods to get higher exp rates! Maybe I feel this way because I was very involved in the Runecrafting community and did my Runecrafting during the post-GE era, when using runners wasn't a viable training method and thus wasn't an issue to worry about.

[hide] Because very few people are actually working towards maxed. It's quite sad actually, I expected to see a lot more competition in this game that I've seen so far. Anyways, many people only plan on holding a handful of capes and will leave it at that. Runecrafting is/was arguably the most respected cape in the game... if you solo'd it. Not soloing it is just cheating your way to that most respected cape and that's why I have a problem with it. It also downgrades the cape's status because many might think you used runners if you didn't. I won't have that problem because I've made it wellknown I'm soloing it, but many others will have that issue. Transfering Eoc money is the most efficient thing to do. Or if you can make more then 500k an hour double nats isnt incredible You do realize double natures is about 1.4m gp/hr? You'd get more than 500k gp/hr just doing single natures after level 75 lol. As for transferring with EoC, that path is how you end up like Suomi, ridiculed beyond end by many for being a cheater with money. Are you talking about me? Or Du Old Pker? You. :) I'm trying to get a friend to take rank 1 so that someone more worthy can have it. The Xp for rank 1 for Thieving is particularly low compared to other skills. It's about equivalent to the work I put into my Agility in 07 already, which I haven't touched in 6 weeks lol. This is a thread about the first to get all 99s. A skilling thread. Of course you're going to have to assume the competitors don't play for the same reasons you do lol. Fair enough actually, I'm sorry I forgot what thread I was in. So does that mean your exasperation with training methods used by runescapers starts and ends with rank competitors - or does it extend to everyone, regardless of their rs goals? It's certainly a higher priority for me with top players and other players a tier or two beneath that status. I'd still like to see less of it in the rest of the community though. I don't like seeing people afking for skillcapes, but people tend to recognize which capes are the easy afk ones and I'd say many don't have much respect for those anyways. Maybe this is so hard for you guys to connect with my feelings about skilling because most of the people I hang out with have at least a 200m. We're all people who take skilling very seriously and we see a lot of people getting a lot of afk 200m's and, for some of us, it disgusts us. [/hide] My apologies. I must've confused you with Du Pker then when I was being told about it.

You'd have to make 2.5m+ Gp/hr for it to be worth it.

You. :) I'm trying to get a friend to take rank 1 so that someone more worthy can have it. Maybe this is so hard for you guys to connect with my feelings about skilling because most of the people I hang out with have at least a 200m. We're all people who take skilling very seriously and we see a lot of people getting a lot of afk 200m's and, for some of us, it disgusts us. It seems like respect means a great deal to you, but then you turn around and disrespect people like that. That is the kind of thing that disgusts me. It's about EARNING respect. Respect alone is meaningless, particularly if given out to the undeserved. It annoys me to no end when noobs respect other noobs with a 99 Cooking cape.

Because very few people are actually working towards maxed. It's quite sad actually, I expected to see a lot more competition in this game that I've seen so far. Anyways, many people only plan on holding a handful of capes and will leave it at that. Runecrafting is/was arguably the most respected cape in the game... if you solo'd it. Not soloing it is just cheating your way to that most respected cape and that's why I have a problem with it. It also downgrades the cape's status because many might think you used runners if you didn't. I won't have that problem because I've made it wellknown I'm soloing it, but many others will have that issue. Transfering Eoc money is the most efficient thing to do. Or if you can make more then 500k an hour double nats isnt incredible You do realize double natures is about 1.4m gp/hr? You'd get more than 500k gp/hr just doing single natures after level 75 lol. As for transferring with EoC, that path is how you end up like Suomi, ridiculed beyond end by many for being a cheater with money. Are you talking about me? Or Du Old Pker? You. :) I'm trying to get a friend to take rank 1 so that someone more worthy can have it. The Xp for rank 1 for Thieving is particularly low compared to other skills. It's about equivalent to the work I put into my Agility in 07 already, which I haven't touched in 6 weeks lol. This is a thread about the first to get all 99s. A skilling thread. Of course you're going to have to assume the competitors don't play for the same reasons you do lol. Fair enough actually, I'm sorry I forgot what thread I was in. So does that mean your exasperation with training methods used by runescapers starts and ends with rank competitors - or does it extend to everyone, regardless of their rs goals? It's certainly a higher priority for me with top players and other players a tier or two beneath that status. I'd still like to see less of it in the rest of the community though. I don't like seeing people afking for skillcapes, but people tend to recognize which capes are the easy afk ones and I'd say many don't have much respect for those anyways. Maybe this is so hard for you guys to connect with my feelings about skilling because most of the people I hang out with have at least a 200m. We're all people who take skilling very seriously and we see a lot of people getting a lot of afk 200m's and, for some of us, it disgusts us.

That's actually how it's done atm. Anyone beneath 96 is assumed to have not used runners (else they'd be higher) and anyone above 96 is assumed to have done a mix of runners and non-runners.

The most efficient thing is to use runners to 82 or 91 Runecrafting and to then solo it after that. Using runners to 99 is probably the most ridiculous thing you could do. Atrate tried that and along with 2m Xp of his own running laws, he only made 70m. The majority of that came from his solo running. Using runners is also becoming more expensive as time goes on btw. Atm you lose money fast for anything that isn't double natures. 99 Hunter and Cooking are the only other moneymakers aside from Runecrafting and I doubt that could even pay for using runners to 91 Runecrafting today. 82 is probably the best stopping point followed by investing the rest of one's remaining cash into supplies. Astrals will be selling regularly 150-200ea really soon. I sold some 170ea yesterday but it's still sporadic. Are you all forgetting that maxing is going to cost at a bare minimum about 600m? Money isn't infinite. Even with my soloing all the way to 99 Runecrafting, there's a chance I may still have to go beyond 99 to afford everything. Anyone using runners to 99 is simply screwing themselves over when they still have to do another 10m Xp after 99 to pay for everything. So no I'm not saying it should be based on hours put in. They are simply not closer to maxing and you need to look deeper than just the raw numbers presented to you.

Remove the Rc'ers because the calculator doesn't automatically account for runners. The calculator is not accurate and has a lot of top Rc'ers saying they made a lot more progress towards maxed than they really did. It has nothing to do with my personal feelings about runners. They'd be shown as a lot higher if Foot hadn't done some tweaking around to help minimize the effect a bit. It's still very distorted though. Atm the calculator assumes you don't use runners until level 96 at which point it ignores completely all further Xp gained until 99. If it assumed no runners to 99, essentially anyone who used runners would gain 2-3 hours on the calculator for every hour that they played ingame. The current calculation method is a bit less than that but still not 1:1. Until a fix is found, you shouldn't assume people are further along towards maxed than they really are. Instead you have to manually adjust for the inaccuracies of the calculator. Nobody honestly believes Miller 1 is leading, particularly after he didn't gain Xp for 8 days straight.

If you're harping at people for doing that, then you're doing it for the wrong reason. Doing something such as pickpocketing dwarf traders on your phone at a class is extremely allocatively efficient because it allocates time that couldn't be expended gaining xp to a much more appropriate use. Similarly, walking around your house while pressing a button allows you to allocate time to RS that would have been spent doing housework or taking breaks. You of all people should be able to appreciate that. There's a difference between allocating more time in favor of RS by doing afk stuff and doing afk stuff out of laziness. I don't think that the casual player does rocktails because it allows them to gain more xp per day (I did rocktails for 10m xp because I could get over 500k xp/day, vs 200k or so from C2s), but rather because they're lazy. I think it's alright to gripe on people for being lazy, but I don't think any truly lazy person would be able to be dedicated enough to get a hard 200m. All you're really doing is getting mad that people produced more with less effort than you did. And that's kind of silly. Being efficient isn't the endgoal but it seems a lot of you guys worship that. Xp to me is only a measure of how much work, time, and sacrifice you've put into skilling. It's only a tool in determining that because only work, time, and sacrifice gives it any value. If you didn't have to put any of that in, there'd be no reason to respect anything you obtained. Achievements matter, not a number stored on a server somewhere. I see two possible reasons for doing post-99 xp or rank. The first is for the achievement and to have pride in having completed something you know wasn't easy. The second is to do some easy cheap method to get some fake sense of achievement and to hope people respect the number instead of the work itself.

Here's an example of the ridiculousness of this afk stuff. The guy that's about to get rank 1 in Thieving walks around his house with a wireless mouse doing his real life business while leftclicking his mouse. In the game he's pickpocketing Knights of Ardougne. Another even more extreme example. The first guy in eoc to get 200m def, Miles15, did it at bandits while he went to school or slept. You can afk it up to 6 hours. You tell me if these people deserve those rank 1's. I know a couple people who afk'd rocktails or ivy on their smartphones while they're in class to get 200m xp in those respective skills. Did they deserve those? Skilling, particularly past 99, is very much about the achievement. An achievement has to be difficult by definition, otherwise it isn't an "achievement". If you cheated your way to get the final result, the final value of it in the end is much less than it otherwise would've been. Maybe this is all so tough for you guys to understand since none of you actually skill for anything aside from getting the requirements for various things in the game.

Why is botting against the rules in the first place? There was a reason, it wasn't just a completely random decision lol. Nobody wants to play or compete in a game full of cheaters. I don't care if you don't do the best Xp possible. Doing Brimhaven isn't that. I just don't want to see anyone botting or afking xp or gp and frankly such content shouldn't even be in the game in the first place. It's a big reason why I want to make my own game. Two things here. I don't care about efficiency and I think people are confusing my interest in micro-efficiency with macro-efficiency. I'm currently afking in RS to type up this post. But I am not gaining Xp as I do it and I'm wasting time. That's fine. But when I'm trying and actively actually playing the game, I try to go as fast as I can. The second thing is that you truly don't know me if you think I'd say anything like that. I don't insult people. If I say anything that might be demeaning, like calling someone a noob, it's more based on fact, not some random insult like "you piece of shit" lol. That's just immature imo. Btw I had you added for a short time years ago. I barely knew you. Don't pretend you know me please. This is a thread about the first to get all 99s. A skilling thread. Of course you're going to have to assume the competitors don't play for the same reasons you do lol.

Would you bot if it wasn't against the rules? Is the only thing stopping you from botting the fact that you put at risk losing your account? Or do you choose to not bot because nobody would view the Xp gained as legit in the first place? Afk'd Xp is nearly just as meaningless as botted Xp. Neither is legit. It also feels far more meaningful to you when you know you actually worked hard for it instead of taking some ridiculously easy way out. Or from another perspective, would you want to play in a game where everyone botted and you were one of the only legit players in the game? Maybe you'd try to convince others to not bot their skills and actually play instead. That's kinda how I feel about people afking skills and why I make a big deal about it. Anyways, that's my reasoning. You can continue to afk your stats if you want, but know that there are some people out there that will just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. Back on topic now. :)

oh didn't know dark lust is a she. about jebrim, it was more ment as a joke 'cause he think he's the god. he won't even be first to 200m agi in 07. but i still find it amazing how far jebrim come in agility. 700m xp is nice, but still a huge "xp waste" getting so much xp in a single skill oh didn't know dark lust is a she. about jebrim, it was more ment as a joke 'cause he think he's the god. he won't even be first to 200m agi in 07. but i still find it amazing how far jebrim come in agility. 700m xp is nice, but still a huge "xp waste" getting so much xp in a single skill It's not that I think I'm a god. There's only a handful of things I'm really good at that few or no one can match. Setting nolifing records, xp/hr rates at Brimhaven and Flash Powder Factory, stuff like that. I don't think I'm the god of skilling or efficiency. Foot is definitely a much better player than I am. But I am still very disappointed in how terrible many people are at this game. Everyone's addicted to afk'd xp and seeing at how the race to maxed is already down to just a small handful of people is a pretty poor sight to see. It's like everyone in this game forgot all the skilling knowledge that was gained over the past few years. It's not that I think I'm good, it's just that I think everyone else is bad. People can't even meet up to a few simple standards. This "Jebrim has a big ego" stuff really has to stop. I don't want you guys to worship me, in fact I find that annoying usually. I want them to have some dignity because honestly it's just embarrassing for them. Just talk to me with the same amount of respect you'd use with any other random adult that you don't know. EDIT: Maxing is an xp waste from Agility. "Efficiency" is relative only to your personal goals. It doesn't necessarily have to be maxing. i understand the fact that stuff like "you're a big ego" etc. will be annoying. i also like the way you play the game, but i think everyones saying such bad things to you because you talk tooo much about yourselfand how bad the others are. i know that afking xps isn't the gameplay in 07, afking is eoc. but you have to understand that much players (included me) obly can afk for most time because they got much stuff irl to do, like learning or something like that. about the agility god, i only said that, because you said a while back that you are the true master of agility, i know you got most xp, but the true master will aöways be the one whodid it first to 200m I think you misunderstood something lol! The name of my clan is "True Masters of Agility". This was to signify that we were an Agility clan for people getting level 120 or higher in Agility. Concerning the afk stuff, if you take the real life logic further, you would also be botting too. It's not that I think everyone should only care about Xp. It's the complete opposite. People care a bit too much about Xp. They afk this game so they can do real life stuff while getting Xp. Why not just do the real life stuff and skip the Xp? The only purpose of Xp imo is to measure the amount of work you've invested into this game and how much that weighs into an achievement. If you're afking the game, that Xp is meaningless. Why even get it in the first place?

oh didn't know dark lust is a she. about jebrim, it was more ment as a joke 'cause he think he's the god. he won't even be first to 200m agi in 07. but i still find it amazing how far jebrim come in agility. 700m xp is nice, but still a huge "xp waste" getting so much xp in a single skill oh didn't know dark lust is a she. about jebrim, it was more ment as a joke 'cause he think he's the god. he won't even be first to 200m agi in 07. but i still find it amazing how far jebrim come in agility. 700m xp is nice, but still a huge "xp waste" getting so much xp in a single skill It's not that I think I'm a god. There's only a handful of things I'm really good at that few or no one can match. Setting nolifing records, xp/hr rates at Brimhaven and Flash Powder Factory, stuff like that. I don't think I'm the god of skilling or efficiency. Foot is definitely a much better player than I am. But I am still very disappointed in how terrible many people are at this game. Everyone's addicted to afk'd xp and seeing at how the race to maxed is already down to just a small handful of people is a pretty poor sight to see. It's like everyone in this game forgot all the skilling knowledge that was gained over the past few years. It's not that I think I'm good, it's just that I think everyone else is bad. People can't even meet up to a few simple standards. This "Jebrim has a big ego" stuff really has to stop. I don't want you guys to worship me, in fact I find that annoying usually. I want them to have some dignity because honestly it's just embarrassing for them. Just talk to me with the same amount of respect you'd use with any other random adult that you don't know. EDIT: Maxing is an xp waste from Agility. "Efficiency" is relative only to your personal goals. It doesn't necessarily have to be maxing. :)