Jebrim

This isn't a question for you and as such isn't for PM. Also I think it's worth posting in the thread for others to see anyway. Nobody bother being critical of anyone here, only being nice to asses is allowed. Please leave all stupid bragging alone so no one can see there are people who reject Jebrim's points of view. In fact since all efficient methods are known (not likely to change) and no one is likely to challenge Jebrim, there's no point in posting here at all. Gf. EDIT: To be clear, you can present a massively skewed perspective of life and how smart you are and be untouchable since any criticism will be removed. It's not like the moderators coddle me anyways. :) (5 warning points) I would challenge the idea that all efficient methods are known. Perhaps on a macro-level, do this method or that method to 99, but surely not at a micro-level, use this technique or that technique to maximise your xp rate there. There's also a difference between common knowledge and knowledge only held by a few individuals. I also think early levels people typically get the most efficient method wrong as well. Some things off the top of my head that aren't really common knowledge and/or are new insights: Chaeldar is faster than Duradel after 85 Slayer. Using the cannon properly to take advantage of double hits. Abberant spectres are not worth skipping. Northwest corner at bloodvelds in high pop world is best as you can lure only two squares over to be standing right next to the other one as it spawns, thereby saving time. Going as fast as possible while Runecrafting, lots of little tricks there. Going as fast as possible while doing Agility and knowing what level to switch to Dorgesh-Kaan at. Hunter prior to level 80. Who ever gets that exactly right in the most efficiency? Hunting chins techniques. Elvis99 can get better Xp rates than most top overall imo. Apparently almost nobody, top fishing and wcing ranks included, actually does those two skills properly in a way that doesn't lose potential fish/logs. They're not dropping between fish/logs but instead they're dropping full inventories at a time. That's xp waste right there. I question how much better blackjacking is over pyramid plunder at certain levels due to various downtimes that occur when blackjacking. I also know of a convenient way to 3-tick fish without using the tree like Woox does. It was a method created by a friend and only shared with a couple people. I don't use it or advertise it because I consider 3-tick fishing bug abuse. I think we shouldn't be arrogant enough to think that we know how to get the best xp rates in everything and that there's not potential increases that could possibly be made.

That was his final reason yes, but he had been complaining about updates for awhile before that.

Rc xp that was already gained through effigies though lol. Don't pretend you don't hate ZMI or Agility training and can barely stand doing it. You've said before that if Agility isn't 200k Xp/hr and afk you were going to buy spins for it because you couldn't handle doing it yourself as it is now. How is anyone supposed to respect your final 5b+ Xp when you think like that?

Um, I think you got that backwards. I enjoy the process, the others enjoy the outcome. To me how you do it is much more important than the final Xp number you have. To others it's just the final Xp you have that matters, it doesn't matter if you did it a more challenging way or not.

Bad comparison because Suomi did slow stuff first and was perfectly ready and capable to do conventional runecrafting until effigies and runespan came into the picture. Top Overall players today would refuse to ever train rc prior to those updates. A much better comparison is Phoenix Odin vs Dragonseance.

What do you mean if it is worth waiting? Of course it is worth waiting, providing that one's goal is 200m in all and one has other skills than agility left. If I recall right, even Jagex mentioned somehting about an update to agility, so I wouldn't be that skeptical :P. 200m-in-all wise it is worth waiting for an update to agility, because it will mostl ikely make agi easier, and therefore one will achieve 200m agi faster. Easier isn't always better nor does easier necessarily mean it'll be faster. It could be slower but more afk and therefore easier. Anyways, the entire point in any goal is for the achievement. Taking easier routes just devalues your achievements. I respect Suomi far more for doing many skills while they were difficult than I respect players who are just trying to take the easy road out for everything and not actually pushing themselves. The donations Suomi took are minor compared to the hard work he put into his skilling. He'll always be better than any future people who max all skills except perhaps Drumgun. I also give huge respect to the players than completed 200m Runecrafting prior to runespan. Those players do not regret doing it while it was still tough. Doing it while it's still challenging will be much more fulfilling to yourself and you can actually feel some real pride in doing something few could do. ehem zarfot?>.> Zarfot's strategy was never to play with the intent of waiting for updates to make skills easier. In fact he quit because Jagex kept making things easier. He spent roughly an equal amount of time in each skill. He didn't ignore slow skills until last like this generation does with the idea of slow skills becoming faster to save more time than faster skills becoming faster. Furthermore, he wasn't an afk prod like this generation that seems to worship him. He put effort into skilling. He never camped at ivy even when he had real life stuff to do.

What do you mean if it is worth waiting? Of course it is worth waiting, providing that one's goal is 200m in all and one has other skills than agility left. If I recall right, even Jagex mentioned somehting about an update to agility, so I wouldn't be that skeptical :P. 200m-in-all wise it is worth waiting for an update to agility, because it will mostl ikely make agi easier, and therefore one will achieve 200m agi faster. Easier isn't always better nor does easier necessarily mean it'll be faster. It could be slower but more afk and therefore easier. Anyways, the entire point in any goal is for the achievement. Taking easier routes just devalues your achievements. I respect Suomi far more for doing many skills while they were difficult than I respect players who are just trying to take the easy road out for everything and not actually pushing themselves. The donations Suomi took are minor compared to the hard work he put into his skilling. He'll always be better than any future people who max all skills except perhaps Drumgun. I also give huge respect to the players than completed 200m Runecrafting prior to runespan. Those players do not regret doing it while it was still tough. Doing it while it's still challenging will be much more fulfilling to yourself and you can actually feel some real pride in doing something few could do.

Video showing the accuracy of the program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08crO11xVY Download link: http://www.mediafire... Calculator.zip People have been hyping up a new afk Agility method for over a year now. It still hasn't come and I'm quite skeptical that it's even on its way. If you have to wait another year, was it really worth waiting 2 years? And what if it turns out not to be as afk or as fast as you expected?

Yeah. But you're wrong, another person in clan was hit for the same offence. Takes time for the names to come off HS. No. Only permanent bans are removed from the hiscores, not temporary ones.

This argument some make that I would go around bragging about something that was relatively easy to me annoys me. I've been a top player for 5 years and am quite used to being at the top. Only newcomers to being a top player may actually feel immense pride for being a top player. Veterans are already used to it and frankly come to expect it. That's not to say I don't have any pride, but it isn't really directed into anything I've done recently. Most of the pride that I have is in my nolifing records that I've set and my unique Xp/hr capabilities at some Agility places. Those things were tough. Maxing first is not tough and therefore not worthy of much pride. I don't actually have that much pride for my total Agility Xp even, yet I do recognize how exceptional it is when compared to other people's stats. Only a few players have multiple slow non-afk'd 200m's and it's really quite sad to see. Most top players can't seem to stand what I find relatively easy. That makes me sad to see the quality of these other players, not prideful in me being much better than them. Anyways more on topic, my recent posts were not a complaint about people not nolifing, they were a complaint about top players quitting RuneScape altogether instead of just continuing to make slow but steady progress. You say "some" but I'm talking about "all". All my competition quit, not just some. And for your final statement, I didn't realize 99 Fishing was equivalent to all 99's. Who is Zezima???

There is an update to Agility coming sometime soon, but not Agilityspan. Mod Dean specifically referenced Runespan and how it was not going to be similar. The thing is, they actually had a good new Agility update but smashed it themselves. It is still decent, but only in very specific circumstances. I think Jebby knows what I am talking about... Not sure what you mean by very specific circumstances lol. It's still the best Agility Xp in the game and it isn't dependent on luck to get that good speed. Nobody wants to put in the effort to learn the place though. Concerning the large Agility gains today, it was indeed through spins. At 6k Xp per spin average, people were able to spend about $200 to make over 4m Agility Xp in about an hour. It's quite sad tbh. Three did that and one other spent double what they did. Rwting at it's finest. >.> I mean as in you gotta be like the only one playing the game and know how to play it correctly and stuff.. To be honest I would like to learn it, it's just I have only 4m exp left till 99 and I would get 99 by the time I have learnt it =X It's so unused that having a world to yourself is a fairly common occurrence. 1-2 other people wouldn't absolutely destroy your Xp rates to the point of being worse than barb. As for learning it by 99, you'd certainly learn some sure, but even with the proper education I doubt it can all be learnt by 99 lol. Without that education, there's little chance of figuring it out on your own. People generally just grind endlessly with figuring out an obvious technique or two. It's impossible to figure out all the stuff that I do without having a deep understanding of the tick differences between different routes and obstacles. Otherwise you're just running blind and guessing. You'd have to take my tick map calculator program and do a really in-depth analysis of various routes and obstacles and jot down this information somewhere and look for particular patterns and rules to memorize. The main purpose of the program is to represent all the relevant ticks into an accurate (this part is key) and easily calculable map without having to actually try figuring out the ticks for everything yourself through testing. To attempt to do that yourself will almost definitely cause you to be erroneous in the tick times for various things. There are quite a few obscure technicalities that make it extremely difficult to get the times accurate, particularly at this place. It took a lot of testing and tweaking and thought to make my calculator accurate and in the process it gave me a deeper understanding of the place. So I highly recommend doing all tests using the calculator and not trying to actually time ticks yourself.

There is an update to Agility coming sometime soon, but not Agilityspan. Mod Dean specifically referenced Runespan and how it was not going to be similar. The thing is, they actually had a good new Agility update but smashed it themselves. It is still decent, but only in very specific circumstances. I think Jebby knows what I am talking about... Not sure what you mean by very specific circumstances lol. It's still the best Agility Xp in the game and it isn't dependent on luck to get that good speed. Nobody wants to put in the effort to learn the place though. Concerning the large Agility gains today, it was indeed through spins. At 6k Xp per spin average, people were able to spend about $200 to make over 4m Agility Xp in about an hour. It's quite sad tbh. Three did that and one other spent double what they did. Rwting at it's finest. >.>

You're still missing the point. Except for a few individuals, nobody is skilling for the goal of rank 1 (or 2). The vast vast majority of skillers are doing it just to continue to make progress on their account. Take the rank goal aside and there's still reason to skill, otherwise there wouldn't be any skillers whatsoever. It's just weird and disappointing that these specific skillers quit gaining even any Xp, nevermind rank 2.

Are you talking to me? I'd make consistent gains. Not being rank 1 does not automatically remove any reason whatsoever to skill, otherwise nobody would skill in RuneScape. Just continue your goal at a slower pace and aim for whatever rank you can get, that's all. All these people stopped completely which wasn't really necessary.

Ya. I think the big thing to realize in a race like this is that people start slacking off or quitting once they realize they have no chance of winning. After several people in a row do this, yeah the gap will increase to people who never believed they had a chance. Consistent strong play is required. I guess I'm more disappointed in the number that have quit even maxing instead of just slowing down. Dark Lust, Razzeh, Foot, Jabberwoky. Not one continued consistent gains at just a slower pace. So now we're stuck with #2 being someone who never expected to be competitive for #1.

First to 2100.

Those are two very different things. One was clearly programmed a certain way on purpose. The other is an obscure bug with the unintended consequence that when abused breaks the system for how many ticks it takes before it checks for another fish again. The potion bug is just like any of the previous item duping bugs people have used in the past (phats, gp, etc.). Fairly sure Timbo stated that daggs were not intended to be as overpowered as they were. So to say it was on purpose goes against what the Almighty Timbo stated on the day of the Dagg Nuke We must be thinking of something else. Was there some op method on dags following the release of EoC? I was just thinking you were referring to it being really fast when you cannon it (e.g. Slayer).

It's the obscurity of this training method that is the issue. I'm all for using your brains to figure out how to complete something faster. I do that all the time. In this case, however, you're doing something that has no rational reason for why it works but is simply a bug in their coding, a bug they very much would not want out there. This is very much different from people just completing content faster than they managed to do themselves. Seriously, the only people denying this is bug abuse are those that want to abuse the Xp rates possible with it. Why do you think they nerfed the overloads for it? That should've been a major hint that they don't approve of it. Personally I feel the way they coded it was bad and it'd be really tricky to fix it properly which is why they haven't done so already. That doesn't make it any less cheating.

Those are two very different things. One was clearly programmed a certain way on purpose. The other is an obscure bug with the unintended consequence that when abused breaks the system for how many ticks it takes before it checks for another fish again. The potion bug is just like any of the previous item duping bugs people have used in the past (phats, gp, etc.).

C2 is faster anyways unless you're bug abusing with potions upon which idk which is faster because I don't play that game anymore.

You guys have it all wrong. Clearly any time spent not gaining Agility Xp is an Xp waste. Enough said. :>

There is no gatestone in c2. The host acts as one. While he had a decent team he averaged around 230k xp/hr. A team requires a minimum of 3 people. The host to travel to each tree, the woodcutter, and at least one person to clear the dungeon and boss ahead of the rest of the team. We had done this for the Jagex Cup and I acted as the host for about 45 hours or so. It was just after the cup ended that we got Suomi started with it. So at first he used TMOA but eventually expanded to other players.

Tbh I'm against it because it's clearly bug abuse. There are other ways Jagex could make more intensive skilling with good rewards that doesn't include using an obscure bug like this.

Foot got hacked last night and lost his emails. He managed to get them back but not before the hacker switched to a different email. He currently doesn't have access to his RS account.

I don't know if this is bad luck or good luck or just the new percentages of tasks now but my xp rate has decreased due to frequent slayer tower tasks and a lack of cannon tasks after getting 85 slayer. I got 5 whips today though lol.