Jebrim

Good luck to whoever wins!

Oh Battle of Lumbridge. I'm not used to the abbreviations. :P You get Fishing/Agility Xp from that?

What's BoL? I really must've missed something in recent times. Anyways my position has always been that while I support having faster xp methods for non-afk stuff and don't like them nerfing such methods, I do think this was a much needed update simply because the higher xp gains were due to an obscure bug.

Well I found out I have an ear infection, yippee. Now I can stop Xp wasting.

More Xp waste, still clogged. Fml. Oh gawd, now there's ringing in my ears. Time to go to the clinic lol.

My left ear is clogged and my hearing impaired so I've been spending much of today trying to fix it. Peroxide isn't working. :/

I agree with Ring World.

First to 99 is usually some random guy, same with 200m. Of course first to 99 Slay was Zezima, but since then it's been random people. Well, at the time they were random. :razz: Obviously people know who guys like Skiller 703 are after he got 99 dung. Anyway to answer your question, I'll be the first one to 99 Divination. 8-) jebrim said in a video that skiller 703 told him that he is going to get 99 divination as first. i think he can do it because he showed us when he did 99 dung that he can keep a max pace of hrs per day (up to 20+) he's also on the top 5 nolifers list created by jebrim lol Pretty sure Skiller 703 has confirmed on multiple occasions that he is not going to do DIvination, if it turns out to be afk in any way. Skiller 703 wasn't a random person, he was already a known and respected player since 08 within the general high level community. Anyways, he told me he's not gonna be competing because it's afk.

You do realize I don't actually use any guides when I skill? Almost all are completely crap. I come up with my own strategies myself. I've done many original things to improve my xp rates, I just don't share them with everyone lol.

I donated $36 to Foot. I gave Vanthole rank 18 Agility. I gave 110m away to the winner of a tournament I hosted. I gave Suomi 100m. I ran for Xx Kingio Xx to help him get that 3m Rc day record. I ran for Drumgun to help him get the 200m overall week record. I also made him Steel Platebodies. I've helped many get 99 Agility and 200m Agility and am very involved in the Agility community. I test and provide feedback for Foot's programs that he writes.

This is why many players saw him as a joke in the past. People didn't take him seriously. He was asking for donation money when flipping was a much faster and efficient way to make money. A number of people will also say that the time spent collecting the donations was too great of an xp loss for it to be efficient. I don't know about the particular donation he did with you, but back when there was a trade limit and he was doing Agility, he did not waste time for donations. He had a very strict process. You had to send trade request to him as he finished the log obstacle and then you had to run over to the ropes and wait for him to finish his lap. You then had to do max trade really quickly. He made sure his donators went through this strict process to make sure the donation only cost him a mere handful of ticks. If they didn't, he wouldn't even waste his time trying to do the trade. He not only refused to go to someone else to get the donation, but he also refused to waste even a few extra ticks standing still or going off-route to get it. He took Xp waste very seriously. His 20k donation method was estimated at a value of about 14m gp/hr. He did this for hundreds of trades. EDIT: I asked him about this particular trade and he denies ever visiting Lunar Isle before free trade came out. He's not even sure he had done Lunar Diplomacy by then.

There's no reason I'd ever willingly drop my hours to 6 per day. I'm quite used to regularly and comfortably doing far higher hours as I've done that for years lol. There's two months left, not one. :P

That phrase isn't even relevant to this situation. I'd have to be killed to lose at this point.

And yet people constantly hate and viciously attack top players when they get deleted by those top players after they spent time kissing up to them. I see it all the time.

That came later.

In spoiler: pic from finnish rs forum post where SUOMI is asking for people donation him money, in 2009. He had done that for long time before that also, mainly asking from his friend list. Being one of his friends in ~2008 lead to situation where he was just asking for money (please max trade donation!!!), and eventually removing me because I didnt donate, lol. For that attitude he was hated. He had two types of people on his list, genuine friends and people that were only added because they were repeat (or potentially repeat) donators. Due to the number of people donating, he had to delete people frequently and prioritize who he had added. There's no reason to hate just because you weren't a close friend of his. Someone has to get deleted after all to make room for new people.

He was getting slow skills first so it made people believe that he is really going to get 200m all. Not only that, but he was doing it faster than anyone had before (or ever did afterwards). Momentum and consistency are very important and he uniquely excelled at both.

I said 2.4m-2.5m/week. I did a larger week last week so this week being smaller is okay. Atm I'm only aiming to just beat the record and not doing any more than I need to to get that. Edit: Actually just did some math and at my present slower pace I'll still be passing it by 200k-400k. The range varies depending on if I stay up all night and into the next day on the final day.

I was getting upset in my posts a couple days ago for the lack of competition because I wanted competition. I want to see people do well. That's why I encourage certain types of gameplay. I'll certainly try my best if I'm given good competition, but I have a really low opinion in the capabilities of many players. That's why when certain people over the years have clearly surpassed me, I've given them huge amounts of respect and my full support. They're able to do what I cannot. It's why I've supported Suomi and Drumgun since late 2008. I've given donations and my own free time in assisting them because I recognized how unique and exceptional they were compared to other top players, myself included. Neither were maxed yet their heavy nolifing would obviously place them as rank 1 eventually. Drumgun was supposed to get it in the medium-term and Suomi eventually in the long-term. Part of that prediction came true. Drumgun chose to do some very inefficient things which really hurt him but he never slowed down. He's now the player with the most adventurer log days (which I also expected to occur) and rank 3-4 Overall. It's looking like he'll be the second player to all 200m's. I placed my bets with them when they were relatively unknown and other people dominated like Kingduffy, Allar, Yogosun, and Gertjaars. Being a long-term consistent nolifer that doesn't back down from non-afkables or slow skills is what wins. It's a very rare feature. The main point of all this is to say that if I have reason to believe you to be really good, I won't hesitate to say so or back you up. I've been judging top players for many years now and have a pretty good track record imo in judging who'll be successful. Foot and Jabberwoky and Razzeh were all decent competition that at least gave me pause for worry, enough so that I'd actually have to work for it if I wanted to win. All 3 are gone which left a vacuum because nobody else has come forward with any indication that they're capable of providing decent competition. And now it's too late since I'm not far from maxing. So just to be clear, I'm not getting upset from you stating that people will have to work hard to beat me. I'm upset that it's already beyond that point and that I won't actually get any decent competition up until the very end. I want competition, it brings out the best in me. And my competition to them brings out the best in them too, forcing them to become really good if they wanna win. Seeing how rare really good players are these days, more is better. I encourage people to become the best they can be. I run a clan for this very purpose.

A misunderstanding of what exactly? That post was directly talking about the competition for the top spot, nothing more. No need to be so defensive. You said: "But I don't blame anyone who chooses not to play with such an anal attention to detail at such long periods of time, or who would even want to." I've never encouraged constantly paying high attention to detail for long periods of time. I've never said anyone has to do this nor have I said that any player in the game even does this. Your post had nothing to do with competition for top spot... You don't encourage it directly but you certainly like to make a point of praising people who do it. It's a debatable difference sure, but it's pretty clear you think less of 'casual' players. It's a comment directed at all the top players, not just you. You might have a substantial lead on everyone else, but you're not the only top player in the picture. If it sounded like it was an attack on your playstyle, then I apologize because it was clearly not. That said, I'm not sure how saying if people have a negative attitude about closing the gap with the top player is not a direct statement on the top players themselves, but this might've been another misunderstanding. I fail to see how anything less than attentive, prolonged hours of game time could catch up to where you're at currently, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. "nor have I said that any player in the game even does this" It's like neither of you even read that yet you assumed there were people that do. People naturally go into a trance state while skilling even if their focus is not misdirected towards other content on their screens. Nobody maintains complete focus the entire time all day long every day. So frankly I don't understand how you can even refer to such people as existing. I don't do it nor does anyone else. That's not to say we can't maintain fast or perfect speeds the entire time of course. It just doesn't require the constant focus you assume. "You might have a substantial lead on everyone else, but you're not the only top player in the picture." "I fail to see how anything less than attentive, prolonged hours of game time could catch up to where you're at currently, but hey, maybe I'm wrong." There's not enough real life time available in the world for anyone to catch up. At the pace I've been setting since 07 started, I'm set to max in 2 months. If you take a look at the TTM page, the next closest to me is User and he's about a month away and gaining further distance at his current pace, which also happens to be his best pace yet since it's summer and he's got full free time. Even if he magically became more efficient and became the best nolifer in RS history, he still couldn't max before me. There's not enough real life time available to do that anymore. It's just the facts on the state of things right now. http://crystalmathlabs.com/tracker/virtualhiscores.php?page=timetomax

A misunderstanding of what exactly? That post was directly talking about the competition for the top spot, nothing more. No need to be so defensive. You said: "But I don't blame anyone who chooses not to play with such an anal attention to detail at such long periods of time, or who would even want to." I've never encouraged constantly paying high attention to detail for long periods of time. I've never said anyone has to do this nor have I said that any player in the game even does this. Your post had nothing to do with competition for top spot...

Is there a screenie or a post someone can link me confirming the new skill will be slow?

With that kind of attitude he will be. But I don't blame anyone who chooses not to play with such an anal attention to detail at such long periods of time, or who would even want to. This is a serious misunderstanding of what I'm saying :/. You spend whatever amount of time it takes to figure out how to do a method most efficiently and then you're done paying attention to detail. The vast majority of things are simple and can be figured out within an hour or so. Most people skip this step though lol. I try to educate people to think a bit on small things they can do to improve their speed. There's many obvious things that just tends to get overlooked.

Every method currently available is the "best" until more research is published on how to increase those gains. I see no point in stating the obvious. There's always means of improving, but typically those improvements are weighed against the time needed to figure out the best and the theoretical increases a person would receive from mastering those things. Then the question of sustainability comes into play, and we come back to the same discussion. It might be great if say, someone like yourself can achieve perfection (which is a bit skeptical) for the actions that offer small increases to exp/hr, but the majority probably cannot maintain those rates. Rather than being lazy like some would assume, they might just be incapable for other reasons. There's no point in lauding the absolute best method that less than 5% of players (top or otherwise) can do. So my response to you is I don't think we should be arrogant enough to assume that these ridiculously high APM methods are viable for the general population that even the top players are lumped in. (Consistency and playtime can go a lot farther than nearly automated APM rates on their own.) Oh I can still post. Anyways I think you overestimate the difficulty of what I'm talking about. I'm not referring to maintaining max speed while training prayer without error. That's crazy and intense. But you can still easily do barb fishing and once every 30 or so seconds start a series of dropping where you drop 3-5 fish in a row, click fishing spot and get a new fish, then repeat for each column. It's not much clicking and fairly relaxed and you still get better xp/hr than the more commonly used method which is to fill your inventory and then drop your whole inventory at once instead of spreading it over a few more seconds. The first method costs you no xp and the second costs you xp. The first isn't anymore difficult, it's just smarter. It's only a few seconds less afk when you need to drop and then you still get that long piece of afk anyways. And you get the flexibility to pick when to not pay attention again instead of being limited to filling up your inventory first. You still have your afkable whether or not you do the smarter drop method lol. And if you want to Runecraft and watch movies, that's perfectly possible. I managed it, Foot managed it, Alkan managed it. You might go a tad bit slower but that's alright. My main point has been that it's better to spend some time when you're just getting started with a new skilling method figuring it out and learning how to do it fast and conveniently before you rush into multitasking. I am actually not an advocate of high APM skilling. I just don't think skills should require clicking only once every 30-180 seconds though. 5-20 is more ideal imo. It won't give you carpal tunnel and it's still quite relaxing.

Because I don't worship efficiency. :P I'm not interested in necessarily saving time doing Agility, which is why I did Brimhaven in the past and didn't do the pit at barb. It's also why I moved 200m Xp of my 1b Agility goal over to 07. Slower/harder is much more impressive than faster/easier and in the end the work put in matters much more than the final Xp. That's why 200m Cooking is less impressive than 200m Slayer. In the end it doesn't matter if I save time or not because using slower methods just makes my achievement worth more. This is why I distinguish macro-efficiency from micro-efficiency. With micro-efficiency, it's all about going as fast as possible in whatever method you use, regardless of if it is the most efficienct on a macro level. I don't go as fast as possible at a course or arena to necessarily save time. I do it because it requires, to one degree or another, some level of skill and it helps me practice and I find it rather fun. Even if I were interested in focusing purely on saving time to meet my goals, if my only goal is 1b Agility and nothing else (which it was until I decided to max overall in 07) it'd actually still be efficient to get it now instead of later. If I want to finish my goal within a certain real life timeframe, it's best to make as much progress towards that as possible, at whatever course is available. Stopping all training whatsoever for a year or two to wait for some mediocre Xp rate increase won't actually make me finish any sooner in real life time. I could be making progress along the way and still be able to take advantage of that increase after the update. Stopping would be silly.