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It's not what you said, but the way you said it. Making it sound like a sport. Like something they do for fun, which clearly it's not. Also that article said 177 death/year. Thats still a very small number. And yes, it increased. But who can put the blame on the death penalty? Crime increaes in South Africa each second. We donnot have the death penalty. So we can just aswell say that a less-harsh punishment increases violence too. Undersand my point? Nope I said sports arena because it is a heavily populated location where public executions do take place. But nice assumption. Lots of factors contribute to crime, but generally speaking someone raised around violence is more likely to commit violent crimes. South Africa has a number of problems, a lot of political and social problems that can contribute to that. Would the death penalty solve that problem? no, if anything it would increase it. Actuaully the death penalty in South Africa might just solve more problems than it would cause. Hard to beleive, but true. As i said, when we had the death penalty our crime rates were muc lower. Aslo, Bloodstain, i didn't do any research at all. None was required. Why waste time writing about the USA and Middle East when it would have 0 effect on anything else i write? The essay is about crime reduction, not the economy. I do find it to be hard to beleive. Can you prove your point, that the death penalty lowers crime rates and that other social factors may not have contributed to those crime rates decreasing? Well, i'm sure i can dig up a few things on the net. I do remember a few points i made in my essay that contributes to this but at the moment quoting them is not possible. Also there are other factors that played a roll in the increase but the death penalty was the biggest. It is rather suspect that the moment it is taken away the crime rate starts going up. Please do. I want you to conclusively show that adding the death penalty was the biggest factor in lowering crime rates. Otherwise I could just take the humanitarian approach saying "a life is a life, even a scumbag murderer shouldnt be executed" Wait till the 11th? Then i'll be able to provide you with enough information.

Critical research failure time! You may want to pair that map with one that shows the rate of homicides. All your map shows is which countries still have the death penalty as an option. Here you go. Grey means that no stats are available, at least to the almighty Wiki. Pale blue is 0-1 homicides per 100,000 The light purplish one is 1-2 Next darkest is 2-5 The 'pure' blue ("#0000FF") is 5-10 The dark indigo one is 10-20 Darkest one is 20+ You'll see that countries such as Brazil and Russia have high homicide rates in spite of having the death penalty abolished except for certain circumstances and in practice, respectively. You'll see that Mexico and Canada, which both have the death penalty abolished, have similar homicide rates (In Mexico's case, higher) to neighboring US states that may still use the death penalty. The same goes for much of Central America. Oh look, South Africa doesn't run the death penalty and is in the 20+ tier. Who denied that, again? Please do a fact check. Don't just turn your posts into a political statement masquerading as the truth. You're right though. As the chart shows, they aren't impacted at all by whether or not a country runs the death penalty. Could it be that *gasp* there are other factors that go into the rate of violent crime? <3:

And you have made how many valid points. hmmmm...o :thumbup:

It's not what you said, but the way you said it. Making it sound like a sport. Like something they do for fun, which clearly it's not. Also that article said 177 death/year. Thats still a very small number. And yes, it increased. But who can put the blame on the death penalty? Crime increaes in South Africa each second. We donnot have the death penalty. So we can just aswell say that a less-harsh punishment increases violence too. Undersand my point? Nope I said sports arena because it is a heavily populated location where public executions do take place. But nice assumption. Lots of factors contribute to crime, but generally speaking someone raised around violence is more likely to commit violent crimes. South Africa has a number of problems, a lot of political and social problems that can contribute to that. Would the death penalty solve that problem? no, if anything it would increase it. Actuaully the death penalty in South Africa might just solve more problems than it would cause. Hard to beleive, but true. As i said, when we had the death penalty our crime rates were muc lower. Aslo, Bloodstain, i didn't do any research at all. None was required. Why waste time writing about the USA and Middle East when it would have 0 effect on anything else i write? The essay is about crime reduction, not the economy. I do find it to be hard to beleive. Can you prove your point, that the death penalty lowers crime rates and that other social factors may not have contributed to those crime rates decreasing? Well, i'm sure i can dig up a few things on the net. I do remember a few points i made in my essay that contributes to this but at the moment quoting them is not possible. Also there are other factors that played a roll in the increase but the death penalty was the biggest. It is rather suspect that the moment it is taken away the crime rate starts going up.

Are you trolling or just incredibly stupid? Wow, yeah that came out really wrong. What i meant to say was: South Africa was a county with problem, like any other country. We had crime, yes. We managed to limit this crime though, using the death penalty. Soon as the death penalty was taken away our crime rates increased, a lot. And it kept on increasing. So clearly the death penalty did work, somehow. Now, the essay was based on that. It was based on how the crime rate then compares to the crime rate now. And by bringing it back there is hope that we might be able to decrease the crime rate again. So basically it would be useless for me to write about the death penalty in the USA or the Middle East and how the death penalty costs more money in the USA and how it increases violence in the Middle East, when in reality those two factors have nothing to do with what the death penalty does for South Africa. Is that a bit better? :\ No, I was talking generally. Are you trolling or just really stupid? Oh i see. This is one of those "feeding the troll" situations. Okay :) Please refrain from spamming please.

Are you trolling or just incredibly stupid? Wow, yeah that came out really wrong. What i meant to say was: South Africa was a county with problem, like any other country. We had crime, yes. We managed to limit this crime though, using the death penalty. Soon as the death penalty was taken away our crime rates increased, a lot. And it kept on increasing. So clearly the death penalty did work, somehow. Now, the essay was based on that. It was based on how the crime rate then compares to the crime rate now. And by bringing it back there is hope that we might be able to decrease the crime rate again. So basically it would be useless for me to write about the death penalty in the USA or the Middle East and how the death penalty costs more money in the USA and how it increases violence in the Middle East, when in reality those two factors have nothing to do with what the death penalty does for South Africa. Is that a bit better? :\

It's not what you said, but the way you said it. Making it sound like a sport. Like something they do for fun, which clearly it's not. Also that article said 177 death/year. Thats still a very small number. And yes, it increased. But who can put the blame on the death penalty? Crime increaes in South Africa each second. We donnot have the death penalty. So we can just aswell say that a less-harsh punishment increases violence too. Undersand my point? Nope I said sports arena because it is a heavily populated location where public executions do take place. But nice assumption. Lots of factors contribute to crime, but generally speaking someone raised around violence is more likely to commit violent crimes. South Africa has a number of problems, a lot of political and social problems that can contribute to that. Would the death penalty solve that problem? no, if anything it would increase it. Actuaully the death penalty in South Africa might just solve more problems than it would cause. Hard to beleive, but true. As i said, when we had the death penalty our crime rates were muc lower. Aslo, Bloodstain, i didn't do any research at all. None was required. Why waste time writing about the USA and Middle East when it would have 0 effect on anything else i write? The essay is about crime reduction, not the economy.

You still can by simply buying it for the lowest price on GE.

It's not what you said, but the way you said it. Making it sound like a sport. Like something they do for fun, which clearly it's not. Also that article said 177 death/year. Thats still a very small number. And yes, it increased. But who can put the blame on the death penalty? Crime increaes in South Africa each second. We donnot have the death penalty. So we can just aswell say that a less-harsh punishment increases violence too. Undersand my point?

I don't really hate RC, i just hate the fact that the only two options for decent gp/h (Bloods and Deaths) are so slow. But i'd much rather do ZMI and make ~100k/h with ~40k/h exp than camp for effigies and end up getting ~15k/h RC exp. Sounds like a stupid option, right?

http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html Also click here for more information. Yeah i guess in that case it does cost a lot more. But maybe that's where a change can be made. Why go through a more lengthy process when capital punishment is involved? Give the guy the same treatment as any other criminal. Take away his chance of an appeal. He failed to win his case the first time, why should we let him go over his faults and come up with a better case (lie) the second time? Also, i'm not talking Lethal Injection or Gas Chamber which costs money. Heck not even the electric chair. Go cheap. A good old hangman's noose will work just as fine and will cost a fraction of the price. Oh I am sorry, he shouldn't have the chance to appeal for his life? Heck why not publicly execute people in sports stadiums like they do in the Middle East while you're at it :rolleyes: Capital punishment is an obsolete form of justice. An eye for an eye makes the world blind. Yes keeping them locked up for life is expensive but that wouldnt be an issue if they didn't have life sentences for drug use. Rofl i smell the stench of ignorance...

Why would you have a less intensive process when someone's life is on the line? On top of that, taking away any chance of appeal, you're out for blood haha. You seem to assume if someone is on trial for murder, they're automatically guilty. Like I posted on the last page, innocent people can fall victim to the justice system. Uhm, really? How about if new evidence comes out proving their innocence? No, don't get me wrong. i'm not saying if you;re up for trial youre guilty. I know people get wrongfully accused and that those people usually are found innocent. So i'm not saying kill them without a fair trail. And sure, previous post might have been a bit harsh. Things like new evidence often gets provided and often can change the outcome. But still, these are things that can happen in any case wether or not death penalty is the punishment. Although i am still unsure why more money is spent on a case where death is the punishment as to say, a case where 10 years is the punishment.

Titanic Please :D But without the crashing into an iceberg and dying part :o But really, i've always wanted one of those Private Cruise boats. Big enough for 50 or so people. Would be perfect for a party or maybe even be suitable if i wanted to take a trip around Africa.

http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html Also click here for more information. Yeah i guess in that case it does cost a lot more. But maybe that's where a change can be made. Why go through a more lengthy process when capital punishment is involved? Give the guy the same treatment as any other criminal. Take away his chance of an appeal. He failed to win his case the first time, why should we let him go over his faults and come up with a better case (lie) the second time? Also, i'm not talking Lethal Injection or Gas Chamber which costs money. Heck not even the electric chair. Go cheap. A good old hangman's noose will work just as fine and will cost a fraction of the price.

Yeah, mistakes are made. But remember that while sometimes the innocent are killed, the guilty are given a second life. Not trying to justify anything, just saying that there will always be mistakes but those are going to be 1 in 100 000.

I'm not exactly sure how the death penatly costs any money :\

Ah i was thinking of camping for effigies as a substitute fore RC training, but i see now that this really isnt a very good option. Thanks for the guide link. I pretty much got the info i needed.

Best place to camp for them without using a cannon? Black Demons? How are Dark Beasts or Abyssals? I'm not all too worried about making a ton of money, but i'd prefer not to lose anything either.

EOS450 i reckon.

Whoops forgot the T. Thanks :P

Well, i'll have to do some more research before i can come up with a "list" of these countries. But for to name some, Saudi, Qatar, Iran (yes, i know this might seem ironic but actuall crime isn't very high there), same goes for Iraq. Maybe it's just a Muslim thing? I know for certain though, the UAE and certain surrounding coutries are amungst the safest in the world in the world due to the "That which does the dirty deed shall be chopped off" mentality. Sure this isn't death penalty 100%, but it's close enough. I've lived in Qatar now almost 3 years and i am yet to hear of a Murder, Rape, or any for of theft. There was a rumour that a woman had killed her husband and was stoned to death the following day. Even if that proves to be more than a rumour it is still the only form of serious crime i have heard of here.

No dount i lack self-esteem. But i don't know how to improve this. haha.

If so (and i'm not saying you are wrong), howcome countries that still follow through with some sort of death penalty often have the lowest crime rates? And i mean crimes from petty theft to large scale fraud/murder? Also, i for one can say that South Africa had a much lower crime rate when we still had the Death Penalty.

I'm going to make these statements: i) You never truly get over your first love ii) You love(d) her. iii) You're both reconciling on past, good events. iiii) You've never got over each other. Just try and make casual conversations. If it starts with a massive argument walk away and don't say another word. If you two get on, take it slowly, talk to her more and see if you can learn anything more from what she says or does and see whether you start developing feelings for her again. Oh, i forgot to mention the worst part. In a few days im leaving the country for a few months again. And i don't know if i will see her before i leave. This means the only way we will be able to talk would me msn, Facebook and texts. Ans well to be quite honest, i'm a very oblivious guy when it comes to signals and flirts. It took me ages to figure out she liked me the first time, and it still takes me long to figure it out with other girls. I dont know, i always get this feeling that i'm not good looking enough and that the girl i'm talking to is just trying to be polite.

Please Lock. CBA to be the cause of a flamewar.