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Except they do, unless ofc... Weren't you just talking about hypothetical situations that never happen? That sign sure looks menacing to a criminal that already made the decition of shooting people in the only place they'll oppose no resistance :roll: And then when guns are banned someone will drive through the front yard running over a bunch of kids, and they'll be made "hummer free zones" :roll:

I guess we can start using pictues and drawings to avoid all the semantics...

But there's already that many people on the planet, they aren't going to just pop out of existence. So you want to disarm people to perpretate a genocide? lol On a serious note, genocide and disarment aren't a good combination... No offense but I wouldn't want someone like you anywhere close to me.

Now we're on the same page. If you're considering the idea of planning a shooting or killing a bunch of people, you're not a sane person to start with... Reason we have no shootings in Panama is because you actually have to pass a psychiatric test before getting a gun, and even the slightest doubt is enough to forbid you from getting one. My mother for example, is bipolar so she can't have one, nevertheless, she lives with my father who has quite a collection: not a single accident in over 30 years of being married, of course, she doesn't know the comb for the lock and doesn't know where the key of the other safe is. I guess it also depends on the idiosyncrasy of the country to some extent.

The problem is not just how easy they are to obtain, the problem is that when someone tries to apply a method similar to what we do in Panama (which btw, most if not all gun owners in the U.S. agree with), they also start labeling guns, presenting prohibitions, magazine capacity, you name it... Like that old saying "give them the hand, they take the whole arm".

I'd tend to look more at something like this if you're looking for a tragic domestic massacre on United States soil. How is this related to a domestic terrorist? Here: http://en.wikipedia....Timothy_McVeigh Edit: I guess it's my bad for not clarifying myself. I mean people that one day think "hey, I'm gonna go kill a bunch of people because....".

Are you guys done with semantics? :lol: (for the love of God if someone replies to this I swear....) Anyways, I think the problem with guns in the U.S. is mostly media based. Whenever someone brings up stadistics they are extremely rigged and don't really show anything, for example, when they use wholes, but then someone shows the real % and they realize the danger the media implies is ridiculously low... I remember this debate of pro-gun vs anti-gun, where the pro-gunners (well, it was only one guy against 15-20) showed up stadistics of pool deaths compared to gun deaths, turns out more kids died due to pool-related accidents than gun-related accidents, gotta admit that I laughed when the guy also countered with "you don't need a pool..."; my point is, people can always manipulate an incident to blame the tool while they turn the perpetrator into some sort of anti-hero (and then they wonder why more of these idiots keep showing up). I've said this every single time a shooting happens anywhere in the world: You DO NOT bring up your point of view when a shooting happens, wether you are anti-gun, pro-gun, or the guy in-between, you don't put the picture of the shooter in the headlines, you don't dedicate a 12 hours media coverage about the story of the shooter, you do not post people's reaction in and out of the area where the incident happened, no... You stay shut and mourn the victims or in the very least show some respect. It really pissed me off how certain people took the chance to actually post their point of view via social media literally just hours after the shooting happened, I have no words to describe how disrespectful that behaviour is... The thing with U.S. media is that they tend to exalt and glorify whatever happens within U.S. soil, yet far more people are killed in, say, the drug war in Mexico every single day (on a country that already banned gun ownership) but you never hear about it... You can't change an untimately violent society, but you can at least reduce the number of [bleep]ed up people actualling doing things like this, by not glorifying the freaking shooter and what he did... How many of you remember Timothy Mcveigh? It is kind of ironic how the most tragic domestic massacre that happened in U.S. soil, was done by someone who didn't even used guns... Let's say that somehow guns are banned and no civilan got one, it will be a matter of time before that already [bleep]ed up psychopath thinks "hey, I can kill as many people if I just run them over with my big ass hummer filled with barrels of gas that I plan to ignite since I'm going to die anyway....", just to say something out of the top of my head...

Actually, I was raised in a rural Wisconsin farm town where everyone has guns. I've been around guns my entire life. I also live in a city now that has a very high crime rate and I deliver food to all sorts of people. The point I always make here is that it is not my right to take another human being's life, no matter how they have wronged me. It is also, I believe, no one's right to take another human life. I believe taking a human life is a lot easier and impersonal with a gun, and allows for those who may not be physically stronger than others to be equalized in the life-taking business. Aaaah, gotcha, gave me the wrong impression lol. That's alright and very noble actually. My family teached us all to shoot when we were very young, but they never told us "you must have a gun because -insert reason here-", my older sister is probably the best shooter out of all of us, but she decided to don't have guns. So in the end is a personal decition and whatever you choose must be respected, the thing is that you're free to choose yes or no, and not: no because my goverment doesn't allow it.

In here you can shoot a fleeing thief, but it's either that or checking the person who just got robbed. Personally, I would just disable the thief, but I have no idea on the condition of whoever got robbed, so I would go with the later. Pulling a gun on someone's face is a go for full lethal anywhere.

Yup. I would be far more concerned about the condition of the person who just got robbed. I never said consequences applied to anti-guns only, or are you just getting that?

Figured I could bring all the points and consequences on the matter, since that's basically the whole point of being anti-gun. So suddenly I'm not allowed to do the same? And I was actually backing his statements on why he shouldn't have a gun, he was obviously raised on a different enviorement than mine, hell, it would be extremely idiotic of him to play the hero if he doesn't have a gun, or what's worse, if he had one but didn't know what to do if the robber turned back on him, as he said. I'm not mocking him or trying to rise my ego, I'm just saying some people are allowed to have guns for x reason and some others aren't for y reason. That doesn't make any "superior" to the other, if I saw him getting robbed on the streets, I couldn't care less if he was anti-gun or pro-gun, the moment his life is in danger, it becomes the business of whoever responsible armed citizen is the closest to him, and he's entiled to his opinion after that. And if the robber tried to run away after you pulled your gun on him? Would you have shot him? If he's running away then he's not a threat, why would I? If he's caught pointing the gun at him? That's a go in any country that allows you a carry permit.

Figured I could bring all the points and consequences on the matter, since that's basically the whole point of being anti-gun. So suddenly I'm not allowed to do the same? And I was actually backing his statements on why he shouldn't have a gun, he was obviously raised on a different enviorement than mine, hell, it would be extremely idiotic of him to play the hero if he doesn't have a gun, or what's worse, if he had one but didn't know what to do if the robber turned back on him, as he said. I'm not mocking him or trying to rise my ego, I'm just saying some people are allowed to have guns for x reason and some others aren't for y reason. That doesn't make any "superior" to the other, if I saw him getting robbed on the streets, I couldn't care less if he was anti-gun or pro-gun, the moment his life is in danger, it becomes the business of whoever responsible armed citizen is the closest to him, and he's entiled to his opinion after that.

Oh don't get me wrong, you can just let him go and let yet another thief run free, be everyone's guest. And you're right, he could've just turned back... but then again, if you were raised on a gun-friendly enviorement you would've know what to do when that happens... So I guess in your case, it's ok to get robbed and god forbid you're ever allowed a gun, but you already do a great job avoiding that so that's a good thing (better than having the robber not only stealing your cash/cellphone/whatever, but also getting your gun robbed and yourself killed, see? everyone wins).

Wait till he starts leaving and point the gun at him, call the police, hold him while the police arrives, you get your stuff back and he gets his time in jail. Like you just said, it's a matter of who pulls the gun on who without retaliation... that's actually one of the points (and recommendations) about concealed carry, but I guess you didn't know that.

Then you are a lucky one. I know gun owners who never used their guns on situations like that, and they aren't looking for them either, however, they also think that it's better to have something and don't need it, than needing something and don't have it... I wasn't really sure about the carry permit first, but I don't regret it at all today, turns out 2 of those situations had to be while I was out of my own house... Gives you something to think, I could've been just another guy who died becaue of some maniac killing spree. And don't get me wrong, I often think about what would've happen if I shot that guy in the arm or in the leg instead of his chest, but then again, a situation like that gives you no time to think, I was thaught to shoot to disable rather than kill, and I felt horrible until I heard the guy's intention was to kill me and my friend in first place... Anyone who comes up with these "alternate solutions" either lives in an imaginary world or has never experienced a situation where the life of someone or their own was in danger, those are the people I pray are never allowed a gun and god forbid I ever have to defend one of them from their own stupidity... I could tell you so many stories about anti-gun people in life-threatening situations that they only made worse...

So you expect me to become the world's greatest fighter and magically appear behind the guy who was chasing my niece with a machete? To wait and see what 2 armed burglars did before taking action? To let someone who already said had the intention of killing not just me, but also my friend swing his bat nicely while I ignore him? No sir, YOU have way too much problems.

Please, enlight us what you would do if any of these happened to you: 1. While I was taking care of my niece, some guy decided it was a good idea to charge around the park with a machete. My niece ran in my direction and he started chasing her, I was sitting on a bench, I yelled at the guy to back up to no avail, shot him in the leg... you can figure out the rest. 2. 2 burglars managed to break in my living room, one carrying a knife and the other carrying a gun... ksg saved the day (well night). They didn't die as I shot between them to "spray" them, the guy with the gun lost an eye tho. Funny thing is, I actually worked their case as a defendant and they got out of jail in 18 months, helped them get a job, etc... No point on letting yet another thief rot in jail. 3. This one was far more tragic sadly... One of my best friends had a stalker, she knows I carry so I didn't have any issue hanging out with her more often. One day while I was leaving her house, her stalker was waiting for me with a bat, hidden on a bush in her front yard; I didn't see him until he swinged at me, managed to avoid the hit, kept trying to get distance but he kept rushing towards me, at one point he swinged just milimeters away from my face, sadly, I had to put 2 on his chest... The police arrived like 30 seconds later, turns out the stalker told one of his friends he was planning on waiting for me at my friends house, kill me with the bat, and then kill my friend, all in a joking matter but his friend still called the cops. Her neighbor saw it all, I just had my gun taken for a week for some paper work and that was about it... Went to his funeral, her mother didn't blame me since she knew this was bound to happen at some point...

This can easily make up a 100+ pages thread and people will still disagree even with the most basic things... But then again, I like to use proper examples and in this case I'll use my own experience. I was raised on a gun-friendly family, was taught how to shoot when I was 5 just like the rest of my siblings, I have a Sig Sauer 1911, a beretta 92fs, a glock 21, a KSG shotgun, and a Sig 522... (among other family treassures that aren't exclusively mine). Not a single accident (or in any other gun-friendly family that I know of). Was I forced to use them at some point? Yes, 3 times, otherwise it would've been the police calling the mortuary to send some bags... I live in Panama, gun laws are somewhat similar here except for a couple of things. For example, there are two permits: possession and carry. You get your possession permit when you buy a gun. When you go buy a gun, they open up a "page" in which you can register up to 10 guns, if you excel that number, a new one is created and so on (there's no limit to how many guns you can have), then you gotta leave a dna sample, wait 2-3 weeks, your barrel gets registered aswell (if you ever change it you gotta go register the new one, no limit here either), in the 2-3 weeks period you gotta pass a psychiatric exam, and some other minor things, all of this is done by the dealer and the police. You can order whatever the hell you want through the dealer, the only limitation is that you can't "have" completely automatic weapons, but the law doesn't forbid you from turning them yourself. For the carry permit you gotta pass yet another psychiatric test and gotta have a reason, the most common one being self defense. People with any sort of mental disorder aren't allowed to have weapons, and if you live with someone with a mental disorder you gotta lock your weapons in a safe, you're allowed carry permits but it is somewhat extremely regulated (most of the time people who live with others with mental disorders don't have carry permits at all). This also applies to people with certain syndromes such as aspergers. Now, the funny thing is, we've never had school shootings or any sort of massacre that involved the use of registered/legal weapons. In fact, there's not a single record of any sort of incident involving the use of legal arms, hell there's only a handful of incidents that happened with guns stolen from legal owners (and guess who saves you here? that's right, that register you did when you bought that gun and you were smart enough to report the gun as stolen the moment it happened)... Sure, shootings do happen, but who's the shooter? Some guy who god knows how he got that weapon... There is violence like in any other country, but it rarely ever goes beyond the class barrier; there are dangerous places where dangerous shootings happen with illegaly obtained guns, like in any other country... and why do they happen there? because when they try to do so on another place, they'll find the end of a shotgun barrel pointing at them yelling "get the [bleep] out of my property...". Now, this violence has a reason that's completely off topic (drug lords, trafficking, etc...) so that's another subject, the thing is that you get to defend yourself... Now, sadly, Panama doesn't have the same level of gun culture the U.S. has, sure people do get guns, but they mostly get shotguns and revolvers, and it works for them. For me, well I like semis just because they're easier to shoot (at least for me), but I do keep a shotgun very close to my living room (most centered place on my whole house). Now, I would be extremely pissed off if someone tries to take my guns just because some drug dealer shot another drug dealer with ilegal guns, or just because some other idiot decided it was a good idea to shoot a mall full of people... I can completely understand the frustation of gun owners in the U.S.... getting the blame just because they chose to have a way to defend themselves... And I guess it must be even more frustating when the people trying to disarm you can't even tell the difference between calibers... As for the 3 times I had to use my guns, it doesn't end nicely so I might just skip them, but I guess anyone interested enough is allowed to ask.

You only get rewards in the 3rd and last mission. 50 chi + 50 ancient bones for assassin, whaler, occultist combo / 50 plates + 50 lacquer for missionary, biologist, convict combo.

This. To further back up your claims, the aviantese are known for being a kind race that loathes conflict, the only reason the last few are still fighting, is because of Saradomin followers making empty promises of bringing their race back, basically taking advantage of their kind nature. Hell, even their human followers seem rather nice, like that girl on ROTM and WGS, who was adamant to avoid conflict, even going as far as attempting to dialogue with the dragonkin. It seems like the only reason Armadyl is considered an active "war god" is because he's simply too kind to say no to Saradomin.

Here's a wild guess. New skills will be released with RS 3 as they're heavily involved with how the gameplay works there.

Just made my superior tetsu top, missing the helm now. Upgrades almost done, just missing 2-3 buildings and 1 ship upgrade. I dunno if this is just me, but I can't seem to get any oxhead; already got my judges, bands, tigers, etc... but only one oxhead, are they supposed to be rare or something? So far I've been surviving with 2 sea witches and 3 jade golems instead of the oxheads.

Oh don't get me wrong lol, I was just using easy to refer examples, mostly because we haven't seen places like, say, Freneskae, but we know they are *different* compared to Gielinor, and the ones we've seen aren't exactly... well, informing lol.

Yeah, it makes sense, I'm just not sure what to think of that explanation. On one hand, it's a fairly unique approach to one and they've actually made it work. On the other, it works more or less the same way as a 'vanilla' universe (with some fairly ridiculous flavor, if you know a bit about astronomy), and they could just use the abyss in the same way that other fantasy uses planes. I guess it depends on what they do. The abyss could actually be pretty unique, if they gave it some attention. Well, they've been saying the pocket dimension thing for a lot of time, so that explanation makes sense; now it's easy to say in what context they used the term dimension (non-escalating term, meaning they used it in the context of other universe). Turns out it's a mix of both, small worlds with their own natural laws within one universe, and other universes with their respective small worlds and natural laws, which might be different. Now, it should be fun to try and determine in which universe each world is; I guess we can rule out of Gielinor's Universe any world that doesn't follow the same natural laws (such as runecraft altars, or that golden mine with rocks flying around). Gotta love how they just keep leaving more and more doors open for future content lol...