Rena

This would work in any other game that isn't Runescape. Runescape lacks the PvP depth to allow outplaying or outsmarting an opponent. Short of extremely lucky RNG you'll never beat someone who is better geared or better leveled than you. A level 155 will stand no chance to a level 200 in deep wilderness. There is absolutely no fighting back. That option simply doesn't exist in Runescape. You can't outplay the level 200 by dodging any skillshots while landing yours, whittling them down. Ever since RS3 - gear makes an even larger difference than before. It's extremely unlikely you'll beat someone unless you are in similar tier gear or you build Adreniline more quickly. Before RS3 many, many, many PK'ers had 95 Prayer meaning you needed at a minimum 92 Prayer to really stand a fighting chance. Not to mention at any non-maxed level you needed an account specifically tailored to PvP to really stand a chance. Oh you have 63 defence? Enjoy getting demolished in every single fight. The argument of "fight back" back then involved "make an entire new account, quest and train on it, buy 95 prayer, and then finally fight back on equal footing". Now the argument of "fight back" translates to "drop a few mill on Ports armor to even stand a fighting chance" which many players won't think is worth the GP out of their pocket... especially if they die... often. Some players are just bad at PvP. Be it slow reactions or actual physical limitations (my nephew can only play with mousekeys and has extreme difficulties using a mouse, making PvM and PvP nearly impossible for him). Fighting back isn't even an option for these players.\ e: Did you know? You can see this wall from space! **DISCLAIMER TIME!!!! { the real TL;DR between both these posts} I'd love nothing more for PvP to be fun and revived on the basis of being fun! I really do miss the days of 2004-2006 and having like 20 pure accounts I'd play on. I even tried a Range/Pray pure once called "Speaks for Him". I found PK'ing very enjoyable back then - and largely because it was Pk'ers vs PK'ers and everyone was just fighting and having fun. Low levels would make teams of 4-5 and try to PK each other. There was the occasionally BS'er you had to watch out for. Sometimes you'd make your own little team after being Bs'd by a guy to go kill his team! It was all sort of fun and carefree.... Nowadays it just seems like the Lions want to eat the harmless Zebras and justify it as being hunting when the Zebra is pretty much tied up and thrown at them and has an injured leg. I don't want PvP back if that is what its going to be like.

He was 100% fully prepared for PvP. He wants to fight and be attacked. So I went and fought him.The wilderness tells you before you enter "Only bring what you are willing to lose." I was only willing to lose 9 Dragon Darts and 8 Steel titan scrolls. He wants a fight - I brought him one. However I know it wasn't worth his time because he didn't even pick up the loot I so graciously gave him for free. If he wants the PvP to be worth his time he can go stake in the Duel Arena or fight in the Crucible (that has a minimum risk). He shouldn't be griefing people doing Slay tasks/hunting Champ scrolls. Because if he wants a fight - someone might just bring him one. Two wrongs don't make a right. I think in the future you should just move on, rather than try to waste everybody's time. Your tone just seems sort of offended/entitled that someone would have the nerve to disrupt your skilling in the wilderness. You say that if he wants PvP he can go to the duel arena. Well following that logic, if you want skilling, you can stay away from the wilderness too since you don't seem very fond of its mechanics. If you choose to skill in the wilderness, he is the lion and you are the zebra. :P He's just doing what he came to do: to kill other, weaker players. I'm not wasting his time. He doesn't value Gp/Hr or Xp/Hr or he wouldn't be standing idle in the wilderness waiting for some poor passerby to hit the loading chunk of the Edgeville/Chaos Tunnel area. It's worth noting that the entrance to my skilling area happens to be located in the Wilderness. I didn't want to skill within the wilderness - I just happened to be passing through it. I've died doing Warbands. I'm fine with that. I've died doing clues. Also fine with that but extremely frustrating. I'd think the PKer would be intelligent enough to wait until they see me do the dig animation in hopes of getting my clue reward - but I digress. I've been killed at Wildy Agility course. Of course, I'd classify this one as griefing since the PK'er gains nothing out of it (other than being poisoned by my DDS, which is the only item I'd bring to the Wilderness Course) but I'm actually FINE WITH THIS. Because I'm actually accepting that I'm in deep, dangerous wilderness and intend to skill within the wilderness. I'm not fine with trying to get from Point A to Point B and being assaulted because a player has nothing better to do with their time than stand in an area that is not populated with anything but people wishing to enter the Chaos Tunnels (and not PvP) If I wanted to avoid these players I could go the long way through Earth Temple entrance. Nor am I going to 'cave in to the bully'. I'll stand up for myself and fight. Even if I'm fighting in rags and have a slim-to-none chance of killing the PK'er. Part of what will revive the PvP aspect of the wilderness is more players "standing up for themselves" and fighting back. Some of those who care a bit more might come in better gear and try to fight harder. This is literally how PvP happens when the PvP isn't fun and can't stand on its own two legs. It's aggravators and people who are fed up with the bullies and decide to fight back. These skillers, as shown by Warbands, are capable of grouping up in psuedo-clans to defend themselves from "the bullies". This helps revive the wilderness. Which brings me back to my original point: This is why I don't want PvP to be alive. A community split between 'bullies' and 'nerds' is not something I want nor do I see it as healthy for the Runescape comunity and as you can see about my reaction, I already make this split because to some degree it's already happened... It will add another divide between "efficient" and "DIY" groups that are already at eachothers' throats. We don't need another rift of two groups at each others' throats. If PvP were fun - players would PvP regardless of the rewards and wouldn't need to pick on the 'nerds'. Back in 2004-2005 the wilderness was thriving with PK'ers and low level pures who would fight each other for 5-25k simply because PvP was fun back then. If you want the wilderness to be revived - find another way to do it besides griefing half the playerbase. TL;DR "It's the wilderness, it's meant to be dangerous! If you don't like that just STAY OUT!" If everyone followed this advice and STAYED OUT. PK'ers wouldn't have anyone to PK - would they? Likewise if it isn't worth your time PK'ing someone for 20k~, why the hell did you even attack them? Nothing short of griefing. If it was the most efficient place to train, it would be crowded with PK'ers. If it was crowded with PK'ers, you'd be dying too often to train. Making it inefficient. When it's inefficient it'll be dead content. Then there are the few skillers who go there. Most PK'ers don't check the area anymore. Occasionally PK'ing happens but it's so infrequent nobody really takes notice. If PK'ers enjoyed PK'ing they'd fight each other. I see plenty of PK'ers each and every day, but they aren't PK'ing. They're griefing. Standing outside of chunk-loading areas to kill someone as they load into the area, standing outside quest-teleport spawns to kill questers. Standing outside Chaos Tunnel entrances to kill people doing Bork/Slaying. Standing by the Tree guy to kill people as they go to turn in their loot from Warbands. They aren't fighting each other. Because that would actually risk them dying themselves. They just want a cheap and easy profit. That's why PK'ing is dead. [it was dead long before RS3/EOC, so don't place the blame there.] E: Keep in mind my highly dismissive attitude is much like many players today. If you plan on bringing players like myself in, you're going to need to convince us that being griefed constantly is 'worth it'. Even if something is most efficient, not everyone plays efficiently. I have friends who don't use merchants for Ports because they dislike failing more missions even if they get less TG/resources if they aren't using a merchant. It's the enjoyment of succeeding missions that they play less efficiently. If my choices were to be efficient and griefed in the Wilderness option or be less efficient and not have to deal with being griefed. I'll choose the latter. Every single time. Some of this post is merely playing devils advocate. Some of it is to try and open the PK communities eyes to the world outside of the PK community. It seems to be one they don't quite understand, seeing as they state absurd things like "stay out of the wilderness" when it's the exact opposite of what they want players doing. Move onto where? I was just trying to enter the Chaos Tunnels. I WAS TRYING TO MOVE ON. He stood in my way. You can't enter the chaos tunnels when under attack, so I can't simply ignore him.

We're visiting the Mahjarrat homeworld. I'm pretty sure that device we have will capture a Mahjaratt's memory which will give us insight to a puzzle or even give us access to a 'hidden' area of the map to discover something. Will be interesting.

He was 100% fully prepared for PvP. He wants to fight and be attacked. So I went and fought him.The wilderness tells you before you enter "Only bring what you are willing to lose." I was only willing to lose 9 Dragon Darts and 8 Steel titan scrolls. He wants a fight - I brought him one. However I know it wasn't worth his time because he didn't even pick up the loot I so graciously gave him for free. If he wants the PvP to be worth his time he can go stake in the Duel Arena or fight in the Crucible (that has a minimum risk). He shouldn't be griefing people doing Slay tasks/hunting Champ scrolls. Because if he wants a fight - someone might just bring him one.

Meanwhile in the Wilderness.... I teleport after seeing this guy while I was in full Subjugation+Arma Bstaff. I bank and get 10 dragon darts w/ steel titan + 10 scrolls. I suicide into him to waste his time. He leaves for a while. I go buy Batwing and try to go into Chaos Tunnels again.... He didn't even bother looting me. I looted my stuff and went on my way. But what is the point of griefing like this? It's players like this why I've become more and more spiteful against PvP in the Wilderness. There is no more honour left. Just players trying to grief others for a quick buck by camping Chaos Tunnel entrance or standing outside of a certain Quest teleport spot... pathetic. I'm all for safe PvP and I do find PvP fun. But I can't support shit like this.

Well conveyor belt = 100% movement and every 30 seconds you step off the conveyor belts onto an adreneline pad, use an ultimate, and step back on the conveyor belts. Dummies just does the ult every 30 seconds bit. http://puu.sh/7ylO4.jpg But you'll need access to edit a Clan Battlefield.

Isn't Conveyor Belt faster? But grats! Nearing that 120 cape ;)

E: Hedgehog explains it better than I did... ninja'd me. {Can delete this post if you want Hedge} E2: lol.. here I am trained that colors = mods. :D Nevermind then. I'll uh.. try to edit something useful in here.

It still doesn't help the God letters state that they aren't canon.

Y'know what else kinda ruled that out? Zaros being referenced as a God in the god letters and in cryptic in-game stuff prior the the Mahjaratt even existing as a concept within the game and well before they were given any tie to Zaros. Zaros as the 'dead' must not be spoken about god is a fact left over from the Andrew Gower original lore, back when Sara, Zammy and Guthix were 3 brothers who claimed to have created the world. God letters are not strictly canon. Guthix's mannerism of speech and referring to the other gods as "brothers". Saradomin calls Guthix his brother, which could be seen as a priest/Christianity relation thing, but why would Guthix call Saradomin or Zamorak "brother"? Oh, I have the answer for this though. Except in game he does not refer to them as "brother" but rather by name directly. Oh and Naragi. As well as being "unique in all of the worlds' ... except the Naragi homeworld of course. Annnnd But I hope Guthix was right and the God letters are canon. Because then he isn't really dead. Oh but Jagex themselves says they are non-canon: http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/God_Letters

I'm not doing that Mah exist(s/ed) but the reasoning behind coming to that conclusion was poor. I kind of dislike how Jmods release information/lore not gainable from in-game. Kind of ruins the suspension of belief and the immersion into the world when the player can act like a God and know things the player should not know in game. For instance, with Sliskes' mastery of shadows - what if "Zaros" was just one of his puppets and he is using this "Zaros" to control the other Zarosian Mahjarrat for his own benefit so that he can rise to become a new god? And he is trying to do so without the Stone of Jas so he is getting the gods to fight amongst each other in hopes he can claim an elder artefact for his true ascendancy. He doesn't want to make the Dragonkin stronger by using the Stone because he has already seen what happens to a Mahjarrat who uses the stone before ascending to godhood (Lucien, unlike Zamorak who is still alive) Well... that's ruled out because Jagex has explicitely stated that Zaros is Zaros and that Zaros will be returning in the next quest. Kinda... kills the fun of speculation.

What benefit would he gain from questioning her existence? Oh and false exclusionary disjunct.

HLF Rumor.

BA was efficient before it was converted to claimable BXP - it just wasn't as obvious and so fewer people did it. Being able to stack and hoarde the BXP did make it a bit more desirable though because you aren't forced to actually go use the horn each time which is offputting to some players/teams. BA is obsolete if you make over 3.5m/hr and by the gods I hope if you're going for 200m all skills you're at least capable of 4m/hr+ from any of the basic PvM options which are all 4m/hr+...not even including merching.

Trim Scrolls + Court Case

Please don't ever become an economist.You mean you'd prefer that he remains uneducated about economics? :P Of course. As a merchant I require that enough people reman uneducated to maximize my profits.

Please don't ever become an economist.

"Wilderness" and "a desginated, campable area in level 61 wilderness" are two different things. For all I knew I was being teleported to level 14 Chaos tunnel wilderness. The only people who would have known it was a dangerous level 61 spot would be people using quest guides. Some 'diehard quest fanatic' someone would be if they used a quest guide...many wouldn't have known the dungeon was 1 click away and just panicked/try to run. When I did the quest 3 idiots tried to kill me but were too slow. Many people who died though were still loading/had black screened because Jagex's game is buggy as all hell. I think its pathetic how much of the community thinks they are PK'ers by killing ill-prepared players, many of whom are incapable of even defending themselves. Not to mention it takes 4+ people to jump a player like that? It's even more pathetic members of the community think shit like this is OK. This is why skillers don't want to revive the wilderness. No need to "be nice" to a bunch of pricks.

They are under "promotion" currently. So not yet, but perhaps after the promotion they will be.

Assembled boots and feathers will remain as prizes after these dates. That's in the newpost. I'll say that feathers will turn into magic notepaper, agility is now loseless in time to 200m. I am aware they will remain. That is why I asking about the amount coming into the game in the next 3 days. Clearly there is enough to ruin the skill. I have no idea what you are talking about with magic notepaper though. Magic notepaper is a measly 1k/ea. If feathers are 1k/ea its extremely cheap to buy 200m agility xp...think about it... If it's 900m for 8k/feather... 1/8th of that is a measily 112.5m for 200m agility, losslessly. The amount coming into the game will likely exceed the # of people buying feathers for 200m agility XP.

It works with bonus XP. So you get 1720 xp/feather and it's only 209k~ feathers for 900m~ for 200m Agility @8k/feather.

Have you (or someone you know) personally tried this? I have doubts as hard mode forces a 2:2. And I'm not exactly sure how quitting a dungeon works in terms of floor difficulty. Ah, my bad. Forgot the task requires a solo dungeon.

Took me 1 floor... Also it's easy if you have a friend start a hard mode frozen with you and RQ.

While it is next to nothing compared to your current collection - I'll donate your way any burnt sharks I get while cooking for my strange rocks. I think I have a few hundred currently. :P Just add me in game and whenever I get 1k of them or something I can give them to you. I got rid of the hat collection for bank space just yesterday. I kept some of my favorite hats or hats that cannot be reclaimed (bear head), but decided I value my bank space more than a hat collection I never use. I'll wait til I'm done with my other goals-that-require-bank-space before returning to it (since all I gotta do is go reclaim all my hats and then buy a ton of hats...) Will be after I get my White Phat. Anyone still have any of these? http://a.pomf.se/wdrpgq.png

Grats... but why not just do 30~ minutes a day until it's done? :P Unless you have Trekking left. To hell with Trekking.