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Mather, you can do whatever you like. Risks will exist if you don't follow what I have said though. Also a genome being different doesn't really matter...it will still, probably, use DNA, which means that any chemical reaction could, theoretically, transpose one set of genes to another. Seems fine? What if the Cod Fish was to get the genes for the ability to feed off the toxins in the water. Firstly you would make the Cod Fish unedible, which would potentially mean that all the predators would die off, but you would also cause a population explosion, due to them now having a constantly supply of energy, thus they would kill of all the fish similar to them, The fish would naturally be more capable of reproduction, since it has more energy, so the new genome would be find it extremely easy to superceed the old one....At best you would have a global catastrophy within 7 generations of Cod Fish...Which is, seemingly, 28 years away. Also other countries will probaby not agree to your dangerous experimentation, since most places have a very extensive testing regime.

Then its going to take about 60 years of testing, since it could have unforseen side effects as the body ages. Its pretty useless if 5 years after you get the shot you develop some horrific disease. Also it would have to be tested against all other known diseases, bacteria, germs, viruses and such, just incase of gene transposition(Mixing genes to produce new germ/ect which would lead to new horrific diseases) Similarly testing the seaweed would take 10 or 20 years, since it could cross react with any one of billions of different lifeforms in the ocean, creating a super plant or animal or virus or something. Also a project to continuously filter the sea would be pretty ineffective...given the size of the sea, verses what humans can actually achieve.

Does anyone not object to their citizens being experiments?

Fair enough, Doom.

Random question...what do you do in the game?

Somehow I doubt that anything costing less than 5 million per person or 500 Billion per kilometer will have any reasonable effect.

Mather a single ADS( Atmospheric Diving Suit) costs about 3 Million Dollars...that doesn't have guns, rapid action servos or anything else that a military exosuit might need. So unless you are going to build your exosuits out of plywood and have manual jacks for heavy lifting they are going to cost way more than 100 thousand... Realistically you are looking at between 5 and 50 Million per suit, depending on how powerful you are making it. http://theinquisition.eu/wordpress/2009/04/ads/

You can ask, but remember that I am incapable of holding 7 or so people's tech's in my head, so unless I have the specifics in the request it still might not be 100% accurate.

By the by...apparently Or BTB Business to Business BTB Back-To-Back BTB Back To Basics BTB believed-to-be BTB Branch Target Buffer BTB Belize Tourism Board BTB Beyond the Bell BTB Big Team Battle BTB Bride to Be BTB Bob the Builder BTB By the Book BTB Bad Taste Bear(s) BTB Banca di Trento E Bolzano BTB Breakthrough Bleeding BTB Between the Buttons BTB Below the Belt BTB Bite the Bullet BTB Brigade Troops Battalion BTB Bumper to Bumper BTB Back to Business BTB Beating the Blues BTB Bric-a-Brac, Tramtrack, Broad-complex BTB Book-To-Bill BTB Beyond the Beyond BTB Bay to Breakers BTB Big Ten Burrito BTB Bus Tie Breaker BTB Bridge to Bridge BTB Basic Test Battery BTB Back to Base BTB Bromethymol Blue BTB Before the Bang BTB British Tourism Board BTB Beyond the Breakers BTB Belgische Transportarbeiders Bond BTB Beyond the Body BTB Better Than Beer BTB British Tourist Board BTB Body Tune Box BTB Blind Transmission Broadcast BTB Brett Taylor Bailey http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/btb

Shall we stay way from the stuff that I would have to ban people for?

Spore is a ramshackled old game. Increasingly you need to have a connection to the website which validates the key...The whole argument is academic though, since anyone who actually enjoys the game will buy it. Downloading games, while doubtlessly fun, doesn't help anyone, and just leads to games like Spore being developed, which has all the value of a glass of milk at a lactose intolerancy convention....and that is the only use is to injure others.

Hmmm, in todays world it seems unlikely to work, since almost everything has numerous safeguards against illegal purchase of goods.

Yeah, I can give analysis(Hell I have to do it when I work out the attacks), but people don't ask for it, or ignore it when it is given to them. Also me analysing something is only me analysing it. Someone could very easily analyse it in a different way and come up with a responce that I have not thought of...for example: Arrows are extremely powerful since they can kill at range, however if someone is wearing armour then they would not be so much at risk. Thus something is analysed based on what currently exists in game However if someone then thought 'Hey, if I get some wood I can hold it infront of me so that the arrows don't kill me'(Invents the Shield) then they are going to be more effective against the arrows, despite the analysis.

Except for those amongst us who can't afford to buy the new games(though personally CIv 5 is getting brought unless they manage to pull a C&C4 and completely wreck the game. )

Random idea to expand Sere's idea: Basically we have the daily play game, but then we also have a once a week update. The once a week update would take the whole world into focus and would advance the game by a month or so. The person who did the update would be the next person on the opt in list(Since just a list of players might lead to one person not being interested and thus not updating the map, and such), in alphabetical order. The person would be automatically right, regardless of what everyone else thinks. Since it is one week it can be undone the next week by whoever's turn it is. It would just stimulate the feeling of uncertainty and unpredictability in the game world. [hide] What new, or old, nations will rise to meet the challenge of a now Post-Apocalyptic world? And what will they seek to gain, or abandon, in order to achieve it? That, is for YOU to decide! The rules are simple. Players shall take turns in updating our little story. With each turn, a player will both edit the map to show the current boundaries of each nation and give an accompanying list of events which transpired in the world during that time. Additionally, during each turn, a player can either add a new nation to the map or disband an already existing nation. Be sure, however, to refrain making changes that are too unrealistic, like making an extremely downtrodden nation that's the size of Rhode Island defeat a pan-Asian coalition all by itself. Each turn is equivalent to a single game month and the map must be updated in Paint and uploaded as a PNG. So, who wants to go first?[/hide]

In your version of Hegemony without super weapons: Research makes little difference since both sides do the same thing...since creativity is null and void you might as well just do the same thing...even if you don't the bonuses would be the same. Terrain has made no difference thus far in Hegemony... I am not going to run a game that a reasonably well programmed computer could have run...The whole point of playing without a computer is that you can be creative and experiment with ideas, not merely build a factory, build a tonne of soliders and volia.

Probably for the best. Killing people, accidently or not, is never a good move. Frankly the idea that beating people up solves anything is prepostrous...they just come back with more people and then beat you up even more. Personally, I just got on with it...

You mean the Byzantines... The point is that they, unlike everyone else, stumbled upon it...a 1 in a million event. Anyway, the discussion is closed, you will have to research stuff.

What you should keep in mind is that in the real world China was a powerhouse when it made most of the discoveries, because people could afford to waste stuff. The West similarly made leaps forward when they had time to rest on their laurels... In game, anyone who is not being paid to lounge by the research budget is not going to have time to rest on their laurels...so don't expect breakthroughs from people who are randomly cooking or whatever.

No. If you want to do your quest for eternal life that is actually designed to discover gunpowder then you will be waiting a long time because I will be rolling a thousand sided die.

More reasonably the moderator(me) must know vaguely how it works. You don't need to provide schematics, just what principles are involved. Anyway with Terragen I am going from research times...since just randomly mixing those chemicals together would be like randomly discovering oil and the internal combustion engine two days in and wrecking the game... Doubtlessly though you could discover the technology very early in the game, like the Chinese did, but you could not just go out into the wilderness, come back with Charcoal, Saltpeter and Sulpher and go 'Hey, look guys, I randomly mixed these chemicals together, in these proportions, and then happened to light the mix, and guess what happened...' That sort of thing is just silly.

I'll read it when I get back from diner.

Nah, because the real world is usually capable of making those things impossible...because otherwise they would have been done(probably). That doesn't stop Mather trying to pass Underwater Cities off as costing 50 million each, or from reversing global warming for less than 5 Billion...And without going into it in detail, which tradtionally takes an hour, I can't easily refute it. Hardly. A system based on game mechanics means that someone who breeds an army and does nothing creative is 100% more likely to win than anyone else. You might as well remove the player element and just write a program...Would be a simple Define: Hegemony a1=A*a/4 b1=B*b/4 Does a1<b1+(0.5*a1) Does b1<a1+(0.5*b1) ID NO then: A=a1*a/4 B=b1*b/4 Does A<B+(0.5*A ) Does B<A+(0.5*B ) IF NO THEN: RUN Hegemony

Yeah, just post it here.

Sere said apparently...I disagree but until the new game starts I am gonna carry on moding things.