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I haven't manged to go to sleep yet... The basic story, thus far...Is that... The Dutch have declared their intention to pull out of the Federation, and the US and British Federation have sent troops...so either there can be a parade that goes horribly wrong with the paraders firing on the crowd and thus being totally horrid, or could have exceutions of civilian government.... Anyway, with violence breaking out in the Dutch Free State and the Federation planning to fire bomb the Dutch Free State into submission people in Canada, Wales, Scotland and Soutern Ireland freak out and start revolting. Immediately Britian National Party throws all its weight behind crushing the rebellion, but the British people were never that interested in bombing the Dutch and so the BNP lose control pretty quickly. After a few months of fighting in Britian the PSP(People's Socialist Party) come to power and institute wide ranging reforms, turning Britain into an Alliance of Nations: England, Britanny, Wales, Scotland, Northern Island and Southern Island Which basically agree to respect each other's boarders and not to intervene in internal matters, but to all protect each other from foreign agression. England, which holds most of the power, breaks down into small county-nations which all have local government, though agree to work for the betterment of England. Anyway, while that is going on America erupts into Civil war after chemical weapons are announced to quell the violence in Canada, as well as the killing of Civilians...ect... With Washington DC under attack by protesters the army moves in, but quickly launches a coup after the Federal Government orders the use of Nerve Gas against protesters. The Federal Government escapes to Texas, while the Army institutes Military Rule in Washington and passes laws to extradite the Federal Government or else refuse to recongnise Texas as a state. Summerily the Texan Government refuses to acknoladge the legitmacy of the Washington Government and calls for Americans everywhere to rise up against the Military Oppression

Well rather a lot has been going on... Owing to global warming the world's GDP has begun decreasing, or rather the rate that it is growing is decreasing. Power consumption is going up in the winter and summer as people try to keep warm/cold. Deaths from Cancer, Freezing to death and such have increased, leading to an overal increase in the number of deaths per year. Further more algae fuel is losing its dynamic growth, with decreases in the refining process, caused by a general decrease in quality. There has been an increase in the number of airplane crashes and freak storms. Flooding has been reported in many of the Pacific Islands, in Europe, Florida and South East America, Bangladesh, Egypt and other areas which are close to sea level. Mass Famine as crops across the planet fail Simplfied: All GDP rates decrease by an extra .5(All figures are based on the % growth a nation currently has. So if you had 2% before you now have 1.5% by this rule) GDPs of nations which border the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean, decreases by an extra .5 Britian, France, Germany, Spain, Dutch Territory, Scandinavia, India, and Japan all decrease by an extra .2 America and SATO decreases by an extra .4 Bangladesh and Egypt decreases by an extra 1.2 All nations with a booming trade system decrease by an extra .3 Argent nations increase by .1(Offset by being mostly in land) Dollar nations decrease by and extra .6(Due to civil war in America, and flooding) Nations with a PPP above 5,000 decrease by an extra .1 Nations with a population over 12 Million decrease by an extra .3 Nations with a population over 50 Million decrease by an extra .3 Nations with a population over 100 million decrease by an extra .2 Nations with a population over 500 million decrease by an extra .5 Nations with a country in Africa increase by an extra .4 All Pacific Islands are partly submerged(pending a depth map being found). Population growth rates have been decreased by 1.5 Population growth rates for all countries that border the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean have decreased by an extra .5 All spacecraft, based on Earth, have a 75% chance to being destroyed during takeoff due to atomspheric interference(pending research) This is from now on(sorry for the large increase, I meant to start it in 2020 but got sidetracked), if someone reminds me in 2030 I will crank it up again, same with 2036, 2040, 2045, 2050 and 2056.

I don't know how big the pods are. Assuming they are the size of an ocean going supertanker....About .5 Gigatonnes, 550 Megatonnes or 550,000 Tonnes. Now, Britian, in 1990, produced 10,000,000 Tonnes of Steel...So even in a team of 4 those pods will only bring back 1/5th of the Iron for one small scale producer. Globably: 1,343,000,000 tonnes of steal are produced annually in 2007. Thus Turkey would have only, at max, .09% of the global output, which is actually .02%, since you would have a shipment every 4 years, not every year.

Nah, its me getting it out of my system more than anything else. The problem I have with Retech is that his economy is in recession, and he is throwing around billions of dollars in building spaceship funds, and funds for doing this, funds for doing that and funds for doing the other. Most people would step down a little bit and just go with an 'Ok, I'll not have a finger in every pie for a while'...Like I did after I lost my P-Jet and was forced to pay my people in buttons because I didn't believe in having an economy any more...But Retech just carries on as though nothing happened, and then says that his economy grows without him investing money in anything except building works, which have somehow amounted to 5 Trillion Dollars a year, and about 64 Trillion Dollars since 2009. The 1% a year system is seriously screwed when he can engage in every research project he can think of without a care in the world...not only that but he can spend money abroad and then get it back in his own country... The whole thing is just oversimplifed and he takes advantage of it completely.

Sigh... Clearly I am never gonna get through to you. I might just impose some rioting or something because I can't be stuffed to do the pointlessly long arguement which gets us nowhere...How would you feel about South Japan declaring independance?

Oh right...Stagnation it is. Japan doesn't give any promotions, don't have any sort of reward scheme...it just plods along with the same tired people in the same tired jobs with the occational death or retirement to shuffle up the ladder...no new projects to inspire people...Just another library, on another street corner...which has now shut down... Japan's great legacy 'Here we Stand, We Achieved Nothing.'

Right...So you have been increasing trade and production and population, without any increase to the healthcare system, or any other public sector jobs...which means that GDP would not rise, since you would be hoarding that money... Lets say that the healthcare budget was something like 50 Billion a year in 2009. Before the ICBM attack it is 65 Billion a year. Now it is 45.5 Billion a year. So obvouisly, unless it happens that Japan is operating an American style healthcare system, in which case replace healthcare with police service, the level of service has decreased markedly by 19.5 Billion dollars. If you say that is 50 Hospitals, then its 50 hospitals closed, or 20 hospitals closed and everywhere else loses a couple of doctors. The point is that the level of service provided has decreased by a massive amount, relative to what had been expected. Wait times increase, at the very least, with the laying off of numerous minor members of staff. I mean it would be like going into work and being told 'We are giving you a 30% pay cut, now can you polish my new sports car...Oh, its part of my expenses, that has decreased too, but I can still afford it, so its alright...yes, I know you need the money for your sick mother, but if you look at the figures, you can see we have all suffered by the same amount. Oh, and by the way, your salary will be 5% smaller tommrow as well.'

Errr...People get used to a certain standard...which increases with time because everywhere is always underfunded from perfect...increasing is easy, but decreasing is hard. Example... A hospital might have had 20 doctors in 2009, 28 doctors before the ICBM attack, and 25 now... Its more than it was, but the stress level has gone through the roof because in 2009 they were treating 2000 patients, 3,000 before the ICBM attack and 3,200 now... Its just common sense...

Retech with a smaller overall budget obvouisly things are having to streamline. When you don't spend money it gets spent on other things to keep the economy ticking over.

Retech: So while hospitals are closing and the police is being forced to lay off officers and such, you are spending like crazy....That sounds responsible.

Yup...Japan that is in a massive recession...building a Spaceship and dolling our cash...Brilliant plan

...You always seem to be just about to go to war. Anyway, simple equation: Korea joins Federation = Indonesia storming out definalte = War with Italy and co

Korea decides against forming an alliance, since Japan seems just about to go to war...

Well considering that the country is united, and it far more stable than it was, releasing South Korea poses more of a threat to NK than China or Russia...

Well you are already involved in the Mars Mission...so going neutral might be hard.

Yes... low temperatures change the fundermentals of physics.

Yes...and at absolute zero it is at its densist... And oddly enough it has not shrunk massively.

If you cool a gas it becomes a liquid, if you cool a liquid it becomes a solid...if you cool a solid it remains a solid because it is already near its densist.

Big different between packing something tight and compressing something....Not sure what you mean about Spark Plugs...But since they give out energy I am guessing that the compression is not compression, but a reaction which leaves less mass...or something...

Right...I don't think you really understand the concept of genocide... If North Korea captured South Korea they would kill the people who would cause a problem and make sure that everyone understood that this was it. Kinda like saying prison wardens don't like prisoners....

North Korea is not gonna give back South Korea.... Anyway, with the money from South Korea, as well as just generally being awesome(from their point of view) North Korea just goes from strength to strength while the rest of the world languishes. News report: "Thats right, Japan has cut wages again, now people are being paid half a dollar a year, arn't you glad you live in a country which pays a full 200 dollars a year."

Errr, I guess they would join you and Indonesia would leave entirely and the free world would embargo you.... having North Korea in the Federation would be like having the United Soviet Socialist States of Mexico join the United States of America as the 50something state....

Rocco- Two years seems fine.

Ico can you send me some stats on this ship when you have five minutes...it will probably take a couple of years to complete so there is no real rush.

Er...It would take a few years to get to the Asteroid Belt...and a few years to get back...thats regardless of what method of transport you used...it is flipping miles away.