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Err...This is realism... An Anthrax attack, as specified by Retech, would cause this kind of result. Its like a can of worms....You never know what will happen because there are just too many varriables.

I strongly disagree. It will just lead to people(assuming there are any left) to build more and more fantastically destructive weapons, safe in the knowladge that they will only destroy what they target them at...

Yes...so EXPORTS from DENMARK GO TO OTHER PLACES.... Simple idea...A person travels from GERMANY to DENMARK carrying ANTHRAX. Thus INFECTING others. This SPREADS. Summarily DENMARK EXPORTS SOMETHING or A PERSON FROM DENMARK goes somewhere. THUS EVERYWHERE GETS INFECTED.

Denmark gets infected by Germany...Meat, grain, humans...whatever...is transported to the other places... Ohhh...But I want to annihilate Japan, I know Ross agrees with me. Same as everywhere else...since I, stupidly, modernised it. Antigens will probably be completed tommrow.

Dust from Japan's epic destruction would have a fairly major effect, thus I say something high, other people say something low and we compromise... To be honest I am not that fussed about the Ice age thing, but Global Warming would cancel it out eventually, so go figure.

Well technically Retech wasn't leaving till Sere booted him off. I am in favour of number 2, personally, since it would do away with the silly budgets and massive armies...As well as preventing people from launching massive space exploration programs Anyway Operation Limpet is activated and Japan is RFGed off the face of the planet, since it is clearly deranged. The dust and atomspheric interferance from the destruction of Japan has dropped the temperature on Earth by 50 Degrees C, and mostly obscured the sun. Welcome to the Ice Age Apolcolypse... I suggest everyone launches whatever uber weapons they have left(Since I just stole China's, just to get them out of the way and make the situation as terrible as was physically possible. Anyone who is switching countries please say. Scandinavia loses about 98.8% since it is fairly spread out.

Joyous tidings to all, I come bearing news of the apocalypse! It all started some weeks ago, when Japan decided to antherax bomb Turkey, Italy and Australia... But I get ahead of myself... To begin with Japan used Stratos Jets to firebomb cities...These were not just any firebombs, these were the most ubered firebombs it was possible to build Some 19 Million people in Italy were killed, with some 5 million more left horribly disfigured. Some 12 Million in Australia, with 6 Million left disfigured. In Turkey the use of ICBMs are Anti-StratosJet countermeasures left the Japanese airforce reeling after 100 Stratos Jets were shot down. However they still managed to drop their bombs, though Turkey had abandoned its cities a long time ago, so the damage was negliable. But these issues paled when compared to the Anthrax bombings. Turkey was the worst, by a slight majority, at 99.9% of the population exterminated, followed closely by Germany at 99.6%...though, in all honesty, no country west of the Atlantic Ocean managed to escape unharmed. Switzerland suffered 20% population destruction(3,000,000 out of 15,000,000) even with contained archologies, owing to non-perfect construction methods. All other countries west of the Atlantic lsot between 98 and 99.9% of their population. Even Japan and Indonesia, which have been left at 892,010(99.3% mortality) and 1,149,825(99.5% mortality), respectively, have suffered extensively. North and South America have thus far escaped without incident after all flights to and from the rest of the world were cancelled. The population outside of the Americas is currently: 74,316,923 Down from 6,231,692,320 Law and order have pretty much broken down and the Anthrax virus is still ripe and waiting to resurge violently. GDP has crashed entirely and makes very little sense now that world trade has essentially ended. The UN and U3 have been pretty much made obsolete... (Suggestions would be to dump your current country and take one of the American countries, and maybe one day repopulate the rest of the planet...Remembering of course that Anthrax can surive for decades in a dormant state.) (Anyone who has specific problems with this: Retech produced improved on the 92% mortality rate, aerosolised it, and dropped 'enough to make sure every living thing in Australia, Italy and Turkey was dead'. Thus looking a many billions of spores. Subsequently the spores were dropped. Given Japan had destroyed all military and civilian installations in their first attack there was no real way to determine what this new wave of bombers was doing. Further more Stratos-Jets bomb from high altitudes, thus the dispersion would have been very strong. Anyway, given that hospitals and such were innundated with burn victims...where the hospitals were still standing... they had little ability to recognise Anthrax spores. Japan is hardly likely to announce 'We have committed an act of Genocide', and thus nobody finds out what is going on until about a month later when aid workers(given past actions this is likely) develop some random illness and are flown home. Not to mention the wide dispersal already in effect, and the fact that animals will die without any real symptoms...and given that there are food shortages and Italy, Turkey and Australia farmers are trying to recover, they flog the meat to other countries, this meat is not extensively checked because it can be sold on to other countries at an inflated price or to the clamering civilians, and thus is dispersed pretty rapidly and trying to limit the spread is impossible. Thus huge swaths of the planet are now infected. America, largely due to South American's apparent monopoly on food, is seemingly unaffected by this. Following on from this the first cases are reported in developed countries, that are capable of detecting it, some weeks, if not months later, when the spores have pretty much inflitrated most of society. People freakout and start killing each other(as is seemingly innevitable) or lock themselves up in their houses, which provides little protection since the spores survive for decades, thus the people in the house will run out of food before the disaster is over...added to that spores will get into vents and such. Japan itself is unable to deal with the catasthrophy, since its medical systems have barely been updated, and pigheadedness has set in...but the main issue is that people at the top of government did not believe that the Anthrax would actually spread to Japan, thus when it did the capacity to give out the cure was serverly limited...after all spending many tens of billions of dollars on a vaccine which is, seemingly, never going to be any use to you, is grossly inefficent. The strain was resistant to all known antibodies, so preventing the spread was near impossible, except from quarantine zones, such zones being few and far between because of the lack of food due to the sudden nature and the global warming...which meant that selling surpluses was a brilliant idea...Capitalism FTW....Thus countermeasures, where they were enforced, were enforced weakly...and people's urge to break into the qurantine zones played and epic part in making sure that the few that could have survived, didn't. Switzerland of course murdered rather alot of fleeing German, Italian and others with minefields and defence cannons, since Switzerland can hide in Archologies for indefinate periods. Though since the Archologies are basic metal frames with plastic or glass sheeting(They have been under construction for something like 13 years now, and are based on the design of the Eden project which put up 4 in 2 and a half years...though these are bigger, though has an infinately larger budget.) some of them didn't provide total protection, obvouisly. More than this there are people who lived outside of the archologies, and they were obvouisly shot when they tried to enter them. One imagines that the residual dregs of humanity, amounting to less than the population of Britain(Minus Switzerland), would decend into anarchy, though doubtlessly anyone who wanted to try to maintain control of a country would find support, though it would be an uphill struggle, and would be difficult in the extreme, since scavangers would plague most of the land, and you would be, as Switzerland is, confined to living inside the protected zones. Oh, other info, Switzerland has fully launched Operation Limpet, just waiting on the final authorisation.

I did mean the old one :rolleyes: hardly likey to build something that needed reinforcing straight afterward. Anyway, I am going to bed in a few minutes.

Cool, I thought you had, might want to invest in some repair work and reinforcing against flood damage and such.

Ok, map has been updated. Oh, Doom, did you finish the second canel?

Fair enough Well you have screwed any chance of peaceful co-operation with the free traders Indonesia is not really in a position to launch a pointlessly expansive war, with the gains being people who don't want to be part of them and obvouisly high levels of resentment. You set fire to the jungles and generally scare the hell out of Indonesian people, both Federation sided and otherwise. You parachutists, assuming they are the super sadists since no one else would agree to this mission, go on a rape and pillage spree and sucessfully manage to kill some 30,000 Civilians before local militas manage to kill them. Singapore sided, largely, with the Independant Movement... Assuming you haven't killed anyone here, it largely goes unnoticed compared to the bloodbath you have otherwise embarked on. The support for Indonesia being in the Federation continues to wane as Japan tries to force people who chose, democratically, to not be part of the Federation. Continued talk of destroying Australia, Italy and Turkey seems to indicate that Japan has lost touch with the actual situation at large, having moved from an external war to an internal affair...Either that or Japan is trying to build an Empire, with itself as the supreme head...both ideas are worrying for the people of Indonesia. Furthermore Japan's continued attempts at escalation, in what seems to be a small internal problem, which has been largely resolved, has drawn the ill feeling of the United Nations, particularly the reports of some 30,000 civilian deaths, along with reports of torture, mutilation and other general acts of abhorancy. After discussions with the main Indonesian organisations the UN decided against sending troops in again, with the understanding that Indonesia will tell Japan to back off, and, whether Federated or not, will respect the settlement that currently stands.

Everyone is going though a recession. Prices for everything are rising and Scandinavia has no natural Titanium Mines...Nor Bullet-Proof Glass Factories. Thus you would have to import, which would be difficult because people are kinda worried about where their next meal is coming from and if they are going to die the next time the tide comes in. Not to mention the fact that a large portion of your navy was destroyed, thus getting out there would be difficult, and the seas are rougher, making things more difficult anyway. Added to this, assuming you are build a dome like structure that is approximately a kilometer wide by the same tall...It would be 9,424,778 meters squared of Bullet Proof Glass. Or 146,084,351,168 square inches. Bullet Proof Glass costs 3 Dollars per square inch(according to below), so you are looking at 438,253,053,504 and 35 cents per dome....Thats 438 Billion Dollars. Not 5 Billion for all of them, 438 Billion each. My conservative estimate of 12 years was way off. Even if your dome was only half the height(Mid point between the area of a circle of 1000 meters and the hemisphere I assume, though might be wrong here) Which is 6283185 square meters, 97389562279 square inches, its STILL 292,168,686,836 Dollars...Almost 300 Billion Dollars per dome. Thats not counting Titanium or Concrete... So...Assuming you are concreating the entire base of the dome: 3,141,593 Square Meters or 3,757,314 Square Yards Now Concrete costs about 70 dollars per cubic yard So assuming we are laying a 1 Yard thick foundation(Which is nothing considering it is going to have a millions of tonnes of water pressing down on it.) thats 3757314 Cubic yards of Concrete. Or 263,011,980 Dollars worth of concrete. Nothing compared to the glass...but this is only the top layer. I imagine it would be a trapezium shaped, and probably extend a good 500 meters, 547 yards, down. So actually you need 937,500,000 Cubic yards(This is actually conservative since I am using a square based trapezium) or 65,625,000,000...So 65 Billion on building the concrete foundations. Now the titanium for the job. Estimating that you are going to be using a crosshatching structure, with about 90 centimeters between the bars, with 10 centimeters of titanium. So for your 3,757,314 cubic yards you would need 375,731 10 centimeter wide bars, with lengths of between 1500 and 500 meters...so going for the average of 1000, or 100,000 centimeters. So, with an area of 78.5 Centimeters, and thus a volume of 7,850,000 cubic centimeters. Titanium has a density of 4.506 grams per cubic centimeters...Thus 35,372,100 grams per bar, or 77,982 pounds per bar. Titanium(see below) costs between 18 and 22 Dollars per pound. Thus 1 reinforcing rod would cost between: 1,403,676 Dollars and 1,715,604 dollars. To fully reinforce the foundations it would cost between 527,404,587,156...So 527 Billion Dollars, and 644,605,606,524...644 Billion Dollars. Not to mention taking 29,300,254,842 pounds of titanium, or 13,290,361 Tonnes, 13 Million Tonnes, of Titanium....The planet annually produces(See below) 90,000 tonnes. So it would take over 14 years to actually produce enough anyway... But physical restrains on materials aside...You are looking at, using all the conservative numbers: 292,168,686,836 on the glass dome 65,625,000,000 on the concrete in the foundations 527,404,587,156 on the titanium in the foundations Or 885,198,273,992...Almost 900 Billion Dollars, PER DOME. And that is for a dome which Rogar Banister could run across in 6 minutes. (Chariots of Fire moment! ) Assuming that you used you whole surplus, and people worked for free and there were no running costs, you are looking at the next 29.5 years paying for each dome. It is little wonder the other domes collapsed, when you spent something like 50 million, assuming there was 100 domes, on them... They must have been built out of plywood... No, wait...(See below) plywood costs 25 dollars per meter, which would mean the whole structure(half a kilometer tall) would have cost 157,079,625...3 times more than you actually spent...So even in the best circumstances, you could only have had 30 domes, made entirely out of plywood, with no foundations or fasenings to hold the boards together... It is truely a miracle that people managed to live down there....a miracle that is not likely to repeat itself.... http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20051020.aspx http://www.servicemagic.com/article.show.Concrete-Cost-A-Primer.14119.html http://www.metalprices.com/FreeSite/metals/ti/ti.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium#Occurrence http://www.thisplace.com.au/priceguide/housecladding.htm

That is gonna cost a hell of alot of money, which you don't have(Recession and the fact that Scandinavia has never had the most dynamic economy, especially considering you are trying to grow your population at the same time) and thus would take a long time of using your surplus, when you have them. 12 years probably to get back to where you were earlier.

Italy has overwhelmed central Africa with over 200,000 troops, very few casualities on either side, but it has lead to a militarisation of African Nations, making future invasions far more costly. Spain has decended into Civil war, with the Loyalists on the one side and the Portaguese Sympathisers on the other. The new nation has taken the name Castile, and is working closely with Portaguel to build a fully functional economy. The Federation has split entirely and irrevocable. The Nation States in the Contient of America are thus: Hawaii: Joined the the English Confederacy as the most stable part of the old Federation, as well as shared history. Description: It's pretty much the same as it is today, but independent. It maintains friendly relations with the Californian Republic and the Little League of Nations. Republic of Texas: Republic Description: The Texas Republic is notorious for its propaganda and capitalism. It punishes criminals harshly and often invokes the Death Penalty. There is freedom of religion and speech and other key aspects of the US Constitution. The government is similar to the US government under a Neo-Conservative administration. This nation values education, a strong economy, a powerful military, and Christian values. The Texas government resents Columbia and the Little League of Nations, but it tries to keep status quo. It has considered joining the Little League of Nations. Republic of Alaska: Republic Description: This nation is reliant on trade and maintains a policy of neutrality. Alaskans are very proud of their country, but that doesn't stop them destroying large parts of it to drill for oil. Republic of California: Republic/Elements of Social Democracy Description: This is a very liberal nation with a decent military. The Californian Republic maintains good relations with the Little League of Nations and Latin America. Gay marriage is legal, as well as marijuana. The nation maintains a form of national healthcare. United States of Columbia: Republic Description: This intellectual nation upholds the values of the Founding Fathers. The culture is much like America circa 1880....except less Isolationist. Otherwise it has rampant laissez-faire capitalism, with the government's authority being strictly controlled. Tax rates are through the floor and all plans to nationalise anything are pretty much shelved after the Sherman Antitrust Act is repealed. Columbia is a founding nation of the Little League of Nations and maintains close ties with Europe. Some even go so far as to try to get cartographers to edit the European map to include Columbia. It maintains very good relations with its northern allies, and it also tries to maintain decent relations with the other former regions of the old United States. Although there is still alot of fighting between the USC and the Texan Republic, it mainly takes the form of skirmishes. The war to get to where it is now was very complicated and intricate...but when you actually go into it it is highly inconsquential, as the states which fall within the respective catagories largely voted the same way... Some say that this is a coincidence, but it is more likely that the war could not carry on without the strength of the people behind it. Alot of the skirmishing currently taking place is in areas with a split view, and generally stems from local violence which escalates. However, the basic facts are that: The president fled the capital after a military coup began. Arriving in Texas he called on the American people to rise up against the oppressive regime...and many did. However the new regime did not try to stop the nations escaping, instead formed the Little League of Nations, which would be like the Contiental Congress, where nation states could meet and discuss problems afflicted the whole nation, but would not have any power to force change in individual nations. With the Eastern Americas placated the West looked increasingly totalitarian and it was only a short while before Calafornia declared independence, along with Alaska. The following wars of succession were short, but bloody, with the Texan Republic fighting offensively on both fronts and consistantly using chemical weapons. The UN finally intervened, confiscating the chemical weapons and stationing peacekeepers earmarked for Indonesia in America. Russia finally getting troops on American soil. With peace temporarily restored, Canadia(It just sounds better) extricated itself from the various unions it had been part of...since all of the new nations had grabbed territory. Columbia and Alaska were willing to give up the territory, California demanded payment, and got it, while the Texan Republic seethed and clashed with peacekeepers, as well as troops from the LLoN(Little League of Nations) The situation in Indonesia finally started deteriorating though and the UN passed power to the LLoN, while it struggled to deal with the problems in Indonesia. The Texan Republic has launched campaigns in all directions, but none of them have made much progress. For the most part it seems the violent nature of their current president is driving the conflicts, but with elections coming up soon the conflict might be over soon, with an unease peace settling. Indonesia has been subject to mass floodings, as well as destruction on an unprecedented scale. The Japanese Malls and Super Stores proved ripe targets for the looters, which spawned riots, which quickly developed political conotations as Asian Federation supporters clashed with the Free Trade supporters. With the UN forces otherwise occupied in America the situation degenerated, with the foundation of the Free Indonesian State in the West, while the East asked Japan to send troops immediately as they were ready to die for their freedom from the UN's tyranny. South, South East and Eastern areas have gravitated into Australian spheres of influence, while parts of the West have gravitated as Indepedant, Italian leaning. With the rest being majority focused on rejoining the Federation. Skirmishes between the Independant and Federated Indonesia are commonplace. Especially within the tiny enclave of Federation supporters on the Chinese Boarder of mainland Asia. This has been breakfast news, now I am going to have some. World map update [hide] [/hide]

Mather, 5 left is not 1% per two people... It will take between 18 and 20 years. Sufficing to say that they collapsed, regardless of any claims you make. The Swiss reports conclusively show that the cities were structually unstable, and thus collapsed without much intervention, though submarine dockings and depressurisations as people tried to get out, probably contributed minorly, it is fairly clear, from reports, that the Swiss had nothing to do with their collapse.

Ok... That doesn't really make a huge difference since one assumes the majority of fish are not freshwater. Nah, the Swiss discovered that they were mostly structurally unstable and in the evacuation most of them collapsed. Even if we covered the planet with trees, killed all the cows and stopped the factories, alot of the processes involved in Global Warming be stopped, we have already done the damage, now it is just limiting how bad it becomes. Actually.... (This is for industrial production of Ozone, but the principle is the same) Cold is better for the Ozone layer...however cold leads to polar vortexs which suck the chemicals which cause Ozone degredation into the Stratosphere, so really it makes little difference, since cold winters and hot summers mean the chemicals can go skywards, do their damage and then minimal repairs can be done before the next barrage. Not to mention increased precipitation from the extra water, leading to more of Retechs Fertalizers being sent skywards. The issue with Retech stopping using them is that Algae would pretty much cease growing by 2028, which would leave millions without fuel, restarting the oil craze, or a haphazard switch over to Hydrogen Fuel Technology, which would increase the levels of CO2 because not everyone, or indeed much anyone, buys hydrogen from SATO(not least because they don't sell much) thus the solar farms and clear nuclear energy solutions in that country arn't felt much anywhere else...much easier to just use coal or oil or gas or something else burnable. So it would take nations putting themselves at a loss to stave off this global catastrophy...Probably another 25% off of Japan's GDP(since it supplies most of the world they have a virtual monopoly), with another 2% coming off the annual growth. Everyone who was using Algae fuel cars would be at a loss because they now have something pretty useless and would have to buy more cars, which might be good for SATO or Russia or other car manufacturing nations, but for everyone else it would be fairly pants.

Since alot of the underwater settlements collapsed, the farms in Scandinavia actually do become more productive(Cause it is getting warmer where it is cold), and the fish are dying in the sea because of toxins, and the ones that survive that are passing them on to humans...I would say that things are somewhat better than in other countries...but its still not wonderful. You would think, but apparently not. The hole in the Ozone is actually spreading from the Antarctic, so Australia, South America, New Zealand and South Africa, are all getting increasingly effected. Similarly in the North, Canada, Britian, Scandinavia and Russia are getting a larger than usual UV....Japan is actually not getting that badly affected by it. (Replace CFCs with Nitric and Nitrous Oxide.)

I know its a VERY crude system, but I only have a number of generalisations to base the moderation off of. Doubtlessly there are arguments against every point I say, based on things that only make sense if you were specifically planning to tackle whatever problem I have said exists, like Retech's never changing budget. Hence why, unless it has been stated previously I am saying it doesn't exist.(Within the realism of everything pre 2009) If you want to start making changes now then fair enough, I can work with that, the changes will take time to implement though. I am not having the 'Well then I completely reorder everything like this and that cancels everything out, then I carry on as before' because it is just stupid. Anyway, going to bed, toodle pip.

Aquaponics are still effected by increased water toxicity, which would destroy large portions of your crops.

Fallout from when all the nuclear weapons were destroyed, and widening holes in the Ozone layer due to excessive fertalizer use by Japan on its algae fields, producing massive amounts of Nitric Oxide and Nitrous Oxide. In addition to increasing levels of water toxicity caused by changes in the water table explained in a moment. However people still need to venture outside, and some people do not have electric heaters as of yet, thus the huge Solar Farms and Nuclear plants have been little use to them. But the main point is that people still have to go outside, where they are battered by the elements, and if they are driving then crashes are more likely...if they go swimming in the sea they are likely to get infected with something...There are numerous reasons. As the water table increases it breaks into coastal sewage systems, delievering tonnes of raw sewage onto the streets and into reservoirs where they would not traditionally be found. The purification systems are overwhelmed by the toxicity of the water and so increased levels of contaminants get into the drinking water. Crop yields are down due to changing climate patterns. Added to that your anti-cutting down rainforest bills have left your farms with very little fertile land to use, since they are used to progressing though the forests, growing their crops from the debries the trees leave behind, then letting the cattle move in and use the areas are grazing. I am not sure off all the details here(Sorry) but together these generate a signficant problem for you. There haven't been any major pandemics yet, though I am sure one will crop up eventually.

Yeah, it was supposed increase gradually, but stuff happened so it has just shot up now. Most of the deaths are from Cancer, the Cold, Stavation and Contaminated Drinking Water, as well as flooding, storms and such.

Purchasing Parity Power Really...I thought we agreed that 5% was far too high for perpetual growth and it was at 2%..., then -3, now -5, methinks.

Nah, since you don't control it. It doesn't count anyway, since its still in the throws of civil disquiet.

Japan All GDP rates decrease by an extra .5 GDPs of nations which border the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean, decreases by an extra .5 Britian, France, Germany, Spain, Dutch Territory, Scandinavia, India, and Japan all decrease by an extra .2 All nations with a booming trade system decrease by an extra .3 Dollar nations decrease by and extra .6(Due to civil war in America, and flooding) Nations with a PPP above 5,000 decrease by an extra .1 Nations with a population over 12 Million decrease by an extra .3 Nations with a population over 50 Million decrease by an extra .3 Population growth rates have been decreased by 1.5 Population growth rates for all countries that border the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean have decreased by an extra .5 So: GDP: -2.7 from whatever it was at the time...So it should be -7.7% a year I think Population should be decreasing by 2%

The Spanish Army refuses to march on Portugal again.