stevester77

Ignore: No longer applicable.

The cartoon was stupid, but so was the action taken in response to it. I think I saw kirbybeam out there rioting.

I believe God created the world. As for the old earth vs. new earth theory's, I don't really hold to one of the other. Evolution I feel, has never happened. Don't quote me because im not in the mood to get in an arguement.

Trillions of weapons? that would be at least 4000 weapons for everyone in the former USSR... I recant my statement (well that part I do) :oops: . This week i've been on about 3 hours of sleep each day, so if I say anything else stupid, well, you know why :oops: .

My law of thermodynamics beats your hybrid theory :P .

Updated List (sorry for not doing it sooner, I was gone for the weekend) 1. Stevester77 - eliminated 2. japanese_buz- eliminated 3. Wioneo- eliminated 4. Unrealist- eliminated 5. 4got_My_Pass- eliminated 6. abyssalreaper (105) 7. 7heEmperor (117) 8. Misterxman- eliminated 9. cadburys_egg (64) 10. Pyroknight (69) 11. stealth- eliminated 12. The_Socc_Masta- eliminated 13. Fudgepuppy2- eliminated Um im not sure what you mean. You can hit and heal someone twice a day (or even 3 or 4 times) as long as your posts are separated by 5 hours. The only rule change there was, was that healing is no longer manditory.

No camouflage! Your captured!

They are warrant-less. They arenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t always wiretaps, they also intercept wireless (Radio, Microwave etc) and digital communication. I never was talking about intercepting data with a warrant in the first place; these illegal actions have been going on for decades without the patriot act. The problem is that the actions of ECHELON are coded top-secret or higher and are never revealed to the general public; what you don't hear doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t hurt you. Hmm didn't know that. Maybe because it's so hidden from the public as you say :oops: :? . My mistake.

You can buy them on the black market, and specifically, the red mafia. When the USSR fell, many of the criminal leaders/masterminds of organised crime in Russia rose to power from the ashes of a now powerless regime. In their hands are billions- possibly even trillions of leftover weapons from the cold war. Infact, just about a month ago I saw a documentary on the current status of the red mafia. One portion of the show discussed a sting operation the CIA did around 1997 to catch one of the red mafia's leaders. The CIA, working undercover as people interested in purchasing weapons, eventually hit the jackpot, they were offered by the red mafia, to buy a nuclear submarine. Nukes to go along with it were offered to be purchased along with the sub. And the cost? A mere 20 Million.. with this in mind, Bin Laden's net worth is estimated at over 100 Million.

Death_By_Pod: I was talking about warrentless wiretaps mind you. Im sure wiretaps provided with a warrent have been around much, much longer. Necromagus: It appears his cabinet is divided :o .

The slayer tower event includes a drop party :wink: .

Lol you were still in it like 2 or 3 days ago.. until I called out your name to be destroyed :lol: . Ahh just wait for hurt/heal tournament #2.

Last post I swear.. err hope :) I don't have one at this time lol. I am in no way a Democrat (im more of a hardcore rightwinger a la libertarian to an extent), but I wouldn't really say that democrat's arn't to be trusted. As for me, I never really wanted to impeach him, but I was fairly disappointed. Fair enough I don't really see it as spam :oops: . Rather, we are just discussing (in depth mind you) one aspect of his speech. But im fine with carrying it to PM's. And now, im tired :P :oops: .

They have been tapping phones for decades; I really don't know what the fuss is all about. It was originally for tapping into communist's conversations, now they do it for terrorists. In fact there is a group of countries that form a large spying network, Which countries like America and UK are apart of. What is stopping the UK from spying on America and America from spying on the UK and trading their information? This is perfectly legal and is one way they get around the ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹Ãâno spying on citizensÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ rule. Your confusing domestic spying (which is new) with 'regular' wiretapping. The domestic spying came in 2001 with the passing of the patroit act, and specifically this section of it. The surveillance act your refering to has been known of since 1978. The 1978 version can be found here Btw, these wiretaps are not new; they just have simply been recently brought to light by mass media. Underground media has know about them for at least 2 years now. You know al Qaeda isn't the only terrorist group in the world, maybe the related groups he is talking about is *gasp* other terrorist organisations? Yes, that is what I was trying to indicate :idea: .

You can find that quote here. Can you provide me with a link that contradicts that statement? Btw, these wiretaps are not new, they just have simply been recently brought to light by mass media. Underground media has know about them for at least 2 years now. You're right about that...but I'm curious...how does that have anything to do with the PATRIOT Act. The defintion the PATRIOT Act has for terrorism is irrelevant to the wiretaps. And once agian, why should we not tap the lines of terrorist groups calling America? Would you rather 9/11 happen again? And of course its not new. It has passed several times on the Federal bench as constitutional and Senators were informed about it as well. That furthers my trust in it. A few post's ago you said the following: After you said that, I stopped talking about the patriot act, now your bringing it back again. Im not sure what exactly your asking me here, so refrase if you could. One point that you did make though, was this: Let me now quote you Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin. You can find that quote in the article I already linked you too. I noticed you also said this: All that is is emotional appeal.

Right now it only applies towards known al-Queda members. I could use your same logic and say, "I don't support policies on illegal immigrants because eventually the government might extend the policies towards immigrants here legally." Frankly, your case is based on "in the future its possible that..." which has nothing to do with the act; it deals with what you imagine the act turning into. You brought up several points about other things which I have not given my point of view on so they are irrelevant. Hmm really? Let me quote Bush himself for you on this one: You can find that quote here. Can you provide me with a link that contradicts that statement? Btw, these wiretaps are not new, they just have simply been recently brought to light by mass media. Underground media has know about them for at least 2 years now.

I like the way your little paragraph pretty much summarizes all the stupid sterotyping and flaming we see on this board.

Necromagus beat ya to it. ;) Apparently, he didn't charish you enough.. simply stake him a phat, and look what happens: btw* you now have a new date to the dance.

Nope, just simply come thursday, healing is only an option.. it's no longer manditory.

Simply, its just the principle behind the matter. One may say to themselves, hey why should I be against this, I mean im not a terrorist in anyway, and its not like it really effects me. Sure it will only be used against terrorists, but as I noted earlier, the patroit act's definition of a terrorist is fairly murky. Im also found trying to justify to myself various cases where the government has grown too far. I tell myself oh it's okay if the government does this.. its for our protection. But theres a point where the destruction of civil liberties far outways the pros that may result from that particular course of action. As for the fact that calls will only be monitered between citizens and known al queda members, that doesn't say much to me. Both I and the Bush administration knows that terrorism will not be stopped with the destruction of al queda. There are simply far too many terrorist organisations out there for the destruction of one to bring about the downfall of all. With this in mind, do you really think Bush wants to limit it to al queda only? I think not. I think that eventually (if not already), that this survallence act shall apply towards all "terrorist" organisations and all "terrorist linked" groups. But now lets bring up the no fly list. Im sure you have heard about some of the more rediculous stories such as the one where a woman could not fly on her airplane, because her 2 year old baby was on the no fly list. The government has made mistakes in identifying individuals in the past, as the no fly list shows. As for the survallence act, I feel that it will only echo some of the mistakes we have made in the past.

The definition of a terrorist under the patriot act is "anyone who endanger's human life". That seems fine at first, but think about it in lawyer speak- where it will be applied. It I decide to go jaywalk, I am then considered a terrorist under the patriot acts definition of a terrorist. Why? Because when I jaywalk, I am technically endangering human life. Sure, if im not a terrorist, I have nothing to worry about. But according to the patriot act, I may just be considered a terrorist.

Im afraid your mistaken, the Bible contains no such passage. Are you sure this was the Bible, and not Jewish numerology from the Talmud?

Bah the governor of Virginia with his "the better way" motto got way old, way fast. As for the speech itself.. I was fairly suprised/pleased with Bush's strong rhetoric towards Hamas and Iran. When he brought up the patroit act/survellance I was fairly discouraged (im completely against them). I found it rather amusing when Bush made a joke about how him and Clinton are now baby booming senior citizens... and then the camera (at least for the channel I was watching it on) panned over to Hilary and she gave him the diriest look. At this point in time, I had to pick up my sister from some school function she had to go to and I had to listen to the rest of the speech in the car. From what I heard though, it sounded pretty good. Overall, pretty good speech. yes, I know I just repeated myself.

I don't really think the quality is there to justify the price he's asking :? .

Updated list.. and rules :o 1. Stevester77 - eliminated 2. japanese_buz- eliminated 3. Wioneo- eliminated 4. Unrealist- eliminated 5. 4got_My_Pass- eliminated 6. abyssalreaper (102) 7. 7heEmperor (105) 8. Misterxman- eliminated 9. cadburys_egg (69) 10. Pyroknight (51) 11. stealth- eliminated 12. The_Socc_Masta (47) 13. Fudgepuppy2- eliminated The change: Its down to the wire.. down to the final 5 players. Because of this, theres a twist *summons backround music*. Now that its down to the final 5, starting THURSDAY (as to make any last minute alliance changes), you no longer need to heal anyone. You may heal others, but it is no longer neccessary. The decision to heal can be a tricky one as you can maintain alliances by healing your friends, or kill people faster by choosing to not heal anyone.