I won't argue with that, since I haven't played since the release of EoC (so I assume you're right). However, what I am more concerned with is whether or not it feels like RS. Having an action bar full of abilities and several thousand hitpoints just doesn't feel right to me. It might to you, hence this post. RS2013 just seems like a WoW clone, which it definitely wasn't pre-EoC. In my opinion, skilling has been made obnoxiously easy in the past couple of years. But this is, as said, my opinion. Some people, like me, enjoy the grinding of (old) RS, and I would gladly pay money to have my options limited, but at the same time make my achievements "worth" more. I know you will probably point out that I can "just do use the old, slow methods, anyway", but this is not the same thing. "Achieving" something like 99 mining is no big deal anymore, thanks to LRC, but it was back when the fastest methods were iron ore dropping, or even Zarfot's granite/sandstone method. Couldn't agree more. Easyscape.