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Isn't the point of a defense pure to have some other form of combat...? Such as mage or range... Or a defense staker with attack and defense... Just defense seems VERY pointless. Also, steel scimitar has a 14 strength bonus, which you sacrifice 1 slash bonus for.

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They can be bought on the GE. Air battlestaves I think are the cheapest ones to alch, last time I checked anyway. and are they always readily available? Like could I go buy as many as I could with the trade limit at any time?

Yes I understand the profit is from 'runecrafting.' That's why at the very beginning I mentioned that this will benefit you a lot more if you gather your own supplies. However, my view on that subject is this: If you're making the runes for magic use, you understand that you won't be making profit off your runecrafting work. Whenever I make runes, I start my profit/loss out at 0, because I didn't intend on selling them. In theory you are right, you do lose about 27gp each alch by doing the spell instead of selling the runes. You do, however, get 65 magic xp. Selling the runes for the full 230 gp doesn't yield any benefit. Most people alch items they can get quickly, and do not care about price/loss. They buy the runes, buy the items, and watch their money dwindle. Either way, you're losing 27gp. - If you buy the runes, you lose 27gp on top of the 230gp you spent per rune. - If you craft your runes, you lose 27gp by only getting 203gp per spell As for time lost buying the rings...He has a "buy x" option, and doesn't really wander that far. However I will sign on later and do a few trial runs of alching the rings vs. alching noted items such as pouches to see how many get done in a set time period. I have an even better idea to alch that makes tONS of money! my friend tried it and he said it did! What u do is u go to the bandos general place then u kill him until he drops 'bandos hilt' then u alch the bandos hilt for 50,000 coins!!!! thst right, 50000 of them! all from 1 alch!!! and ppl say magic is expensive rofl, u can earn over 10,000,000,000 gp from 99 rate plz On topic: Nice guide, but air\water battlestaffs lose 41 GP alch, only 14k more per hour. Assuming this method loses 15% XP per hour due to the buying and messed up invo (no mousekeyes here), your losing 15% of your time to save 14k, meaning anyone who can earn more then 93k per hour should alch battlestaffs. And even a level 70 can make much more then that at a place like green dragons ;) Nice guide, a little too wordy for a simple idea, but it's kind of worthless (sorry). 6/10 how do battlestaffs work? Are they always in stock, or do you have to buy them from GE?

You do, it's one of the rewards You do not. You only have to get to the part where you use the fairy rings to find the queen fairy. I know this for a fact because I only recently finished the quest, and had been using rings for a long time. ahh yea I just re-read the quest page. I'll edit it. Thanks

You do, it's one of the rewards

Familiars DO work, I just tried it. It takes some time to empty all your cabbage sacks, but the profit from doing little to no work is amazing. Little math here: The cheapest way is to buy the cabbage and sacks separately. Price of Sack with 10 cabbage - 129 gp from the GE Price of Diamond - 2951 gp from GE Now Assuming you make your own familiar pouches and already had them made and in your bank. I only see this worth doing with a bird or turtle familiar. I wont even do the Yak because if you have summoning that high, you probably don't even care for this :P Terror Bird - 12 sacks of cabbage - 1548gp + 2951 diamond = 4499 12 sacks of cabbage sell for - 12,000 gp to fairy. Profit - 7501 gp Turtle - 18 sacks of Cabbage - 2322 gp + 2951 = 5273 18k - 5273 = 12,727 gp profit Now let's do if you buy the cabbage and sacks separately Terror Bird - 120 cabbage - 6gp ea x 120 = 720gp 12 sacks - 69gp ea from GE.....OR 1 GP EA FROM FARMING SHOPS. - 12gp we'll say as buying from GE is the same as above method diamond - 2951gp total price - 3683 Total profit - 8,317 gp Turtle - 180 cabbage - 6gp ea x 180 = 1080 gp = 18gp for sacks = 1098 diamond - 2951 total - 4049 profit - 13,951gp you really only need 12 or 18 sacks because they have a 1 click fill option, and a 1 click empty option. The time it takes to empty/fill the sacks, and running to the bank might make this a bit worthless though. Cabbage ftw? maybe not.

Yes I understand the profit is from 'runecrafting.' That's why at the very beginning I mentioned that this will benefit you a lot more if you gather your own supplies. However, my view on that subject is this: If you're making the runes for magic use, you understand that you won't be making profit off your runecrafting work. Whenever I make runes, I start my profit/loss out at 0, because I didn't intend on selling them. In theory you are right, you do lose about 27gp each alch by doing the spell instead of selling the runes. You do, however, get 65 magic xp. Selling the runes for the full 230 gp doesn't yield any benefit. Most people alch items they can get quickly, and do not care about price/loss. They buy the runes, buy the items, and watch their money dwindle. Either way, you're losing 27gp. - If you buy the runes, you lose 27gp on top of the 230gp you spent per rune. - If you craft your runes, you lose 27gp by only getting 203gp per spell As for time lost buying the rings...He has a "buy x" option, and doesn't really wander that far. However I will sign on later and do a few trial runs of alching the rings vs. alching noted items such as pouches to see how many get done in a set time period.

Well you could always sell the nature runes for 230 gp each and forget about the magic xp. That's profit from runecrafting. If you're making nature runes for the purpose of magic xp, any profit you assume to get from selling the runes is erased. You're basically starting from 0 if you make your own runes for magic. Therefore, any profit gained in the whole process of this technique is a profit from Alchemy.

yeah you profit if you buy the essence and make your own runes. Now this doesn't incorporate the way you craft the runes, as there are many methods, but that's a whole different skill :

Buying items to Alch from the GE can sometimes take forever and be costly. Well now it can be completely avoided. The following guide will benefit you ALOT more if you made your own natures from essence. It will benefit you even more if you mined said essence. This is a very simple guide to training your magic using high level alchemy to get both experience and a reasonable profit by buying and alching ruby rings. Everyone can benefit from this guide, but the following will get the most out of it: 1.) Those who are low on money and can't afford more expensive items to alch and not lose a lot of money 2.) Those who make their own nature runes and are looking for profit 3.) Those who are bored with the everyday GE buy and alch set up 4.) Those with a strange obsession for fairies and strange surroundings Table of Contents I. Equipment needed II. Location/Directions III. Mathematical Outlook IV. Pros/Cons V. Questions/Answers WHAT DO I NEED TO WIN??? 1.) Any amount of nature runes 2.) A minimum of 1012 gp 3.) A cut diamond 4.) A form of fire staff (lava, fire battle, fire staff) [hide=] [/hide] WHERE DO I NEED TO GO TO ACHIEVE THIS??? - You will be heading to the Lost City of Zanaris and going to the trading area. - You need to have completed to Lost City quest to access the trading area - - There are a few ways to gain access to the Lost City: Wielding a dramen/lunar staff and entering the shed in the Lumbridge Swamp Wielding a dramen/lunar staff and accessing a fairy ring anywhere in Runescape. This will teleport you to the Lost City as it is the Hub location NOTE: You need to have STARTED the quest: Fairy Tale II - Cure a Queen to use Fairy rings. Once you are in the Lost City, you need to access the trading area. [hide=] [/hide] The blue path is from the fairy ring entrance, and the red from the shed in Lumbridge Swamp You'll need to pay a cut diamond to enter the trading area. Do so by clicking on one of the 2 doors, and go through the dialogue until you can pay. WARNING - you will have to do this each time you enter, so don't leave unless you're certain you need to. [hide=] [/hide] Once you're in, you need to find Irksol the NPC. He is wearing black robes, but has no visible body, much like the Otherwordly Beings. [hide=] [/hide] [hide=] [/hide] You will buy ruby rings from him. He has an UNLIMITED supply of rings. He sells them for 1012 each, and the rings alch for 1215 each. The do NOT note, so you can only buy a maximum of 26 at a time, assuming all you have in your inventory is money and nature runes. DO THE MATH Let's say you mined all your essence, and you made your own nature runes. Cost of essence - 0 gp Cost of nature runes - 0 gp Cost of ruby ring - 1012 gp Total cost per Alch - 1012 gp Money retrieved per Alch - 1215gp Total profit per Alch - 203gp Let's say you bought the essence, but crafted your own runes Cost of essence - 139gp Cost of nature runes - 0 gp Cost of ruby ring - 1012 gp Total cost per Alch - 1151 Money retrieved per Alch - 1215gp Total profit per Alch - 64gp Let's say you took the expensive route and bought the nature runes Cost of essence - 0 gp Cost of nature runes - 230gp Cost of ruby ring - 1012 gp Total cost per Alch - 1242 Money retrieved per Alch - 1215gp Total loss per Alch - 27gp Yes, you will lose money if you buy the nature runes. But let's compare the pros and cons to see if it's worth it. PROS - Unlimited supply of ruby rings - No price fluctuations on the price of the rings - Easy to profit if you wish to spend the time training your rune crafting CONS - You'll probably be all alone so it might get boring - Making all your own nature runes is tiring - You need a diamond to get in to the trading area - Buying rings 26 at a time will lower your hourly xp by a relatively small amount This is the best place to Alch in my opinion. No shortage of supplies. The profit is nice. You get to see the weird random events of the Lost City. Seems fun to me. NOTE I do NOT know what the buying limit is for ruby rings. Since you can only buy 26 at a time, and then alch those before buying more, I don't see the limit being an issue. Q/A [hide=]Q.) Isn't the profit of this all from Runecrafting? A.) In theory, yes. You will not make profit if you cannot/or don't want to make your own nature runes. Even when you make your own nature runes, you could theoretically sell them for 27 more gp than you get from alching the rings. If you buy the runes, you do lose money. You do however get 65 magic xp, and the majority of your money back. If you did make your own runes, you can consider the 203gp as straight profit, as you were going to use the rune anyway. Q.) How is this any better than buying pouches/bows from the GE? A.) Pouches and Bows and other popular alchable items are sometimes not available due to lack of sellers or competition from other buyers. Their prices fluctuate daily, so you can never be sure how much you will need to spend. While the rings do not note, there is an unlimited supply at a constant price. Q.) How much experience will I be losing per hour by doing this method? A.) I will update this when I do my tests.[/hide]

I was actually going to make a guide on this, but I don't know the limit on how many you can buy. Simply put: Buy ruby rings from the salesmen in the lost city trading area. You need a diamond to get in. He sells UNLIMITED ruby rings for 1012 each. They alch for 1215 each. Total gain per ring - 203 gp. I'm currently there right now getting rid of some natures. It's great profit if you've made them yourself, especially if you mined your own essence.

I got them a lot more a few years ago then I have been getting in the past 2 weeks I started playing again. I used to get 1 if not more every trip to some kind of monster.

I'm not much of a quester myself, having only 212 qp, but are these demons that drop them safe-spotable? The 3 d claw drops the thread maker has in his sig show him with a drag hally...

quitting was the best idea I've had in a long time. I suggest you all do the same, especially if you're getting to the age where you have so many opportunities and things avaliable to you...an example being college.

Stop trying to be a mod 24/7 and have respect for the elders here, young boy. LOL told ITT

Well I see you haven't changed. Thanks. I remember you from somewhere.

yeah I more than deserve my own topic. But if they want to move it, whatever.

I'm done. 100% done. Most people who drop their stuff and quit come back and try to earn it back. It took me 6+ years to get where I was. I'm done.

Where to start. Not many of you left know me, or so I'll assume. All of the good posters are gone. Take that as you will. I'm referring to those from the early 2000s and scapeboard. I was pretty well known there, and used to be here, usually for my style of posting. Whatever, who cares. The point is, I'm done. I've been done for a while now, and I finally realized it. I came back from a 2 week vacation not too long ago, and saw all these updates about God wars or whatever, with all new armor and weapons and monsters....and that was the last straw. Too much to catch up on, never enough time. I played this game the way I wanted to play it. I didnt spend all day getting rich with schemes and camping. I didn't throw my life away to pking or merchanting. And I certainly didn't no life to get to where I was. I played this game for a long time...since the first year actually, and my stats don't show it. The fact is, I enjoyed the idea of playing the game more than actually playing it, and at the age of 19, I realized there is no point to play something that wont benefit me at all in life. So I signed on, erased my friends list, and gave away all my belongings I've worked years to obtain to complete strangers. I picked those who were trying to play the game as I did. Getting their own supplies, and just barely getting by. Hopefully I made them happy until they decide what a waste of time this is. Think about it, you know inside this is stupid. Is it even "fun?" Sitting immoble in a chair clicking your mouse hours on end? I don't see how it can be. Did I ever have "fun?" Rarely. I spent my time yelling at the game for not doing what it was supposed to do for me, and the other times I was drunk with my friends Id known for years. I'm the only kid I know IRL who played this game, and I was embarrased by it. But not anymore. Did my life get better socially after I quit a month or two ago? Not really, no. There wasn't much to improve on. I'm a sophmore in college, I'm in a fraternity where I'm the social/party chair, so I plan all the parties with the sororities on weekends, and I do UFC style fighting for a sport. I'd say my life is the same. But now atleast when I get back from class, I can go see what everyone else is doing, have a beer with some friends and watch tv, or just go outside and enjoy what the girls around me have to offer. I no longer have any thought of signing on. This will be my last thread on tip it. I will read what some of you, if any, say, respond, and be gone. Here is a list of people I'd like to comment on, in absolutely no order. I don't know if you guys still use/have ever used these boards, but I also don't care. Sam - nothing really needs to be said. You're my boy, kid. One of my best m8s since 2004 I believe. We had our long nights and early morning goofing around, never really getting anything accomplished. Was better than anything I've done in game. Keep doing what you do, and I'll talk to you on AIM any time I'm actually there. Caz - You are probably one of the funniest, most unique people I've ever had the pleasure to talk to. I use your phrases in actual conversations, and I find them hillarious. You were my 2nd friend on Runescape, and we have remained in contact the longest out of everyone I've known. Shame our time zones are completely different. Also a shame that none of these kids here know anything about your says on scapeboard. Nick\Zaquier - Checked the mod list, and you're not there anymore. Good for you, you made the right choice. You always had my back here even when everyone else didn't, and that was cool as hell. I always enjoyed our talks about girls and **** on MSN. It's too bad I don't use it very often. If you ever catch me online, shoot me a line and I'll respond. Steve - Most reliable person I've met in game. I know you won't see this, so I won't even bother. Tony - First ever friend on Runescape. We shared our days in 2001 all the way untill 2007. Still remember when you got that rune baxe for 900k. What a day, haha. Shame you fell of the map man, you're a cool kid. Ruler - See ya on MSN..maybe. One of my best friends, and one of my first. You're a serious nerd HAH. Even though you leveled at an extremely fast rate, I will still always be better than you. I look forward to our next drunken conversation. JAGEX - wtf are you guys thinking? You ruined a great thing. I suppose it's not your fault entirely...but common...rs2? Thanks for bringing the 10 year olds into the game. If I didn't mention you, and you think I should have...that blows. You obviously didn't impress me in anyway, but I'm sure we had fun. To those I told I was hacked in game and quit...Not sorry I lied. You beg me for items when you know I'm quitting soon, you get nothing. Shame. Well that's it, I dont feel like ranting anymore. Safety and Peace. Itsjustagame/Clippersboy/Clippersboy2/Dj Mac/what ever the hell my tank pure is named OUT

how the hell has this not been locked yet

alot of you pathetic kids would probably cry, or do things to yourself, or take other drastic measures because you couldn't play a game anymore. That's sad. If they disbanded...I'd go on living the same way I do now. Ive logged on 3 times in the past 6 months for more than a half an hour...usually for about 5 min, and I'm quitting for good in 2 weeks. You all should too :thumbsup:

so your thread where you wanted attention for lvling your stats really fats using PC that went on for pages wasn't about attention? or am I making that up? just leave.

that other "noob" was a moderator, you half-whit. we both posted at the same time cause we were talking about it. I'm 100% sure you didn't do this to see how long you could keep it up. you wanted attenion, you've always wanted attention. "look at me, I'm a pc product rs2 wannabe" It got old. No one is impressed by this picture, and your need for attention is sad to say the least. Please gtfo, and get a life.