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Normal, sure. Understandable, fine. Rational, no. Reasonable basis for a sound logical argument, absolutely not. Ok. I made that "HEY HEY HEY" comment since, if I'm an idiot,I may as well talk like one. 2) Let's go back to this story. You're in your house. Mexicans* come in. a [cabbage] load of them. They kill your family, enslave you and all your friends, in their pinto bean* cleaning tequila* making slave factory. (Since according to Magekillr I'm a racist, I may as well make racial stereotypes.) After 15 years of hell, you escape. And you're saying you would still trust Mexicans? I call bull [cabbage]. It's survival of the fittest, and you, would not last. Would you be a good person? Yep. You would be a good person. And inevitably you would be dead, because you'd run across the Mexican slave owner. Bam. *Insert any race, and any two racial stereotypes above. Are we talking about an extreme case? of course. Does this happen to everyday people/and or can this be used as an excuse for everyday people? Absolutely not. *Side note I'm deciding to put in here: I said we were going off topic because I'm not discussing 9\11, I'm really just discussing Bigotry in general.* Now to insert 9\11. These things don't happen every day. 9\11 was a horrid event, and many many people there are scarred. I would personally know.* So should they judge Muslims? I cannot answer that, since I have not been through it. I personally don't think I would, but I can't know that. * A few places I answer for at my job, are mental clinics in NYC. And a lot of the patients (no bs, I can't disclose the exact effects due to HIPPA laws) have a lot of mental disorders due to it. And I'll say again, that still doesn't make it logical or rational. It's a misdirected emotional reaction to a memory of a tenuously associated event. It's not even anything close to approaching a reasonable basis for a sound logical argument. But it does make it both logical AND rational. However, it doesn't make it RIGHT. They are two different actions, being right and being logical. You are confusing natural with rational and understandable with logical. In addition, the extremists in the actual situation are a minority. Yes, if most Mexicans wanted me dead I'd be afraid of Mexicans, but most Muslims are not terrorists. Ok. Ummmm. I'm not, but there's really no point in debating this any further.

Yeah we don't have that.

Normal, sure. Understandable, fine. Rational, no. Reasonable basis for a sound logical argument, absolutely not. Ok. I made that "HEY HEY HEY" comment since, if I'm an idiot,I may as well talk like one. 2) Let's go back to this story. You're in your house. Mexicans* come in. a [cabbage] load of them. They kill your family, enslave you and all your friends, in their pinto bean* cleaning tequila* making slave factory. (Since according to Magekillr I'm a racist, I may as well make racial stereotypes.) After 15 years of hell, you escape. And you're saying you would still trust Mexicans? I call bull [cabbage]. It's survival of the fittest, and you, would not last. Would you be a good person? Yep. You would be a good person. And inevitably you would be dead, because you'd run across the Mexican slave owner. Bam. *Insert any race, and any two racial stereotypes above. Are we talking about an extreme case? of course. Does this happen to everyday people/and or can this be used as an excuse for everyday people? Absolutely not. *Side note I'm deciding to put in here: I said we were going off topic because I'm not discussing 9\11, I'm really just discussing Bigotry in general.* Now to insert 9\11. These things don't happen every day. 9\11 was a horrid event, and many many people there are scarred. I would personally know.* So should they judge Muslims? I cannot answer that, since I have not been through it. I personally don't think I would, but I can't know that. * A few places I answer for at my job, are mental clinics in NYC. And a lot of the patients (no bs, I can't disclose the exact effects due to HIPPA laws) have a lot of mental disorders due to it. And I'll say again, that still doesn't make it logical or rational. It's a misdirected emotional reaction to a memory of a tenuously associated event. It's not even anything close to approaching a reasonable basis for a sound logical argument. But it does make it both logical AND rational. However, it doesn't make it RIGHT. They are two different actions, being right and being logical.

1) Ok you missed my point. 2) No you don't know there's a logical flaw, please tell us and I will again, eat my words if you're right. 3) Yea that was a typo. You ask me to defend my viewpoints, but defend them against what? Your viewpoints? Facts? logic? Rationality? I most certainly would, but again, you wouldn't be giving them an earnest look at, and try to comprehend them. And thats the key point in debating, is understanding the other side. 4) I've not given any of my beliefs on this topic. Though I did say I think the Creationist story is close to the big bang, but thats it. And you named it yourself, you're not going to say "but what about?" You're going to say "No. THIS IS IT. You're WRONG." And thats what I mean by telling vs. debating. 5) You've supported your claims against ALG, none against mine. 6) Hmmm. I feel bad for the essays you're forced to read. Poor works of art, they have no idea they are about to be destroyed by your eyes. 6a) Didn't know what the above line was about? Your reading comprehension sucks. While I may not write the most coherent posts, cripes at least I can read.

Normal, sure. Understandable, fine. Rational, no. Reasonable basis for a sound logical argument, absolutely not. Ok. I made that "HEY HEY HEY" comment since, if I'm an idiot,I may as well talk like one. 2) Let's go back to this story. You're in your house. Mexicans* come in. a [cabbage] load of them. They kill your family, enslave you and all your friends, in their pinto bean* cleaning tequila* making slave factory. (Since according to Magekillr I'm a racist, I may as well make racial stereotypes.) After 15 years of hell, you escape. And you're saying you would still trust Mexicans? I call bull [cabbage]. It's survival of the fittest, and you, would not last. Would you be a good person? Yep. You would be a good person. And inevitably you would be dead, because you'd run across the Mexican slave owner. Bam. *Insert any race, and any two racial stereotypes above. Are we talking about an extreme case? of course. Does this happen to everyday people/and or can this be used as an excuse for everyday people? Absolutely not. *Side note I'm deciding to put in here: I said we were going off topic because I'm not discussing 9\11, I'm really just discussing Bigotry in general.* Now to insert 9\11. These things don't happen every day. 9\11 was a horrid event, and many many people there are scarred. I would personally know.* So should they judge Muslims? I cannot answer that, since I have not been through it. I personally don't think I would, but I can't know that. * A few places I answer for at my job, are mental clinics in NYC. And a lot of the patients (no bs, I can't disclose the exact effects due to HIPPA laws) have a lot of mental disorders due to it.

No. Logic is not believing what the same crowd believes. Logic is logic. Take a class in logic, read a book in logic. A thought can be proven to be illogical or irrational. Not ALL thoughts can be proven illogical. However, "beliefs" about reality can certainly be proven to be illogical due to the fact that there is physical, real, tangible evidence that proves the contrary. There are also jumps in logic. If you would tell me the support that you have for your beliefs I could describe to you exactly where the objective logical error has occurred. However you take the strange, unsatisfying, easy way out and give some more BS about "oh no I wont waste my time..." Well if you're not going to "waste your time" (aka, DEFENDING YOUR VIEWPOINT) then don't even bother posting anything. If youre not going to discuss a topic then don't even post in a discussion board. Or if you arent planning on discussing something you should preface your post by saying: "I do not plan on elaborating on any of my viewpoints" That way, every sane person could just skip your ramblings since there is nothing to discuss, since you refuse to discuss it. Ok I'll take the bait. You clearly cannot comprehend the post (and I say *you* because a few people have pm'd me in game saying they understood it.), I said that you believe, (which you do) that only your way is the way. Proof right here: "I could describe to you exactly where the objective logical error has occurred." You've already come to the conclusion my belief's are illogical, without even truly knowing what they are. So why should I trust my your decisions? Why should I even try to defend something, when I don't even know what I'm defending them against. I never said I wasn't against discussing, I love discussing. However, I am against telling. You telling me this, and that. It's not debating, it's fighting. If you would have a more open mind, I'd gladly post my beliefs.

Wow how'd you figure me out.

Is it a fantasy book?

You mean, you don't.

Just incase you didn't see it the first time. If you think the genesis story has any similarity at all to the idea of the big bang, you either are unfamiliar with the genesis story or the big bang theory. Genesis does not explain the nuclear reactions that form stars, it does not describe galaxies of stars, it does not include anything about life originating on earth in microbial form. Etc etc... And I have repeatedly tried to ask you what these things are. What events? What good has it brought? And again I will ask you, HOW is the FSM different from your god? You arent giving any response to anything. You haven't laid down a single shred of support for all of the claims you are making. For example, your reply should be "The FSM is inferior to my god because _____" where you then cite evidence to support your claim. Again I must either be illiterate or you have made some type of writing error. Don't understand what you are even trying to get at here. 1. It is absolutely insulting to use "religion/philosophy" with a slash together like that. They are not even remotely the same thing. 2. Who says we need somebody to create these answers to "why" questions? Why cant everyone just answer their own "why" questions? I will not post what my reasons are, as I'm not one to waste my time for no reason. You will invalidate my reasons, my beliefs, banish them from your mind simply because you're not here to accept what I believe. That's completely understandable, however, you're not here either to even consider them. You're here to attempt to secure your rung on the ever crumbling E-volutionary ladder. c wat i did thar? no? Shame. I once saw a quote on Zybez, which has become my favorite ever. No doubt some famous philosopher wrote it, since I doubt that poster thought it up. "Someone with intelligence, is someone who believes what your believe, and agrees with what you agree. Someone with genius, is someone who has said something you've yet to say. " (Which can be also interpreted as thinking something you've yet to think) And that is how the major part of this forum operates. As long as we believe what you believe, we are logical, rational, intelligent people. But if we dare have differing opinions, we are thrown from the top of your ivory towers, to rot in the cesspool decaying grave, where all who are irrational, illogical, and unintelligent blissfully rot. Let's not argue the dynamics such as God has nothing to do with Logic, and depending on how you come to acknowledge the existence of God, it can perfectly logical. Wait, what am I saying...? WHAT WAIT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Splat. *sigh* Oh well, being logical was fun while it lasted.

It's a hypothetical situation we created. We do know what happened. The hypothetical neighborhood refuses to accept (legally or emotionally, whatever) a black family that moves in because they're not comfortable with blacks. I would absolutely judge that sentiment to be based in racial prejudice. Sorry for the confusion, I agree with you in that they are using racial prejudice. But what I am arguing is while it's not acceptable, it's a part of human nature. And sometimes we just need to deal with it. And this is like, mad off topic. 1. You're saying it's not acceptable, and then you're turning right around and saying "it's a part of human nature and sometimes we just need to deal with it." i.e. accepting it. :huh: But I'm guessing you probably misspoke in there somewhere anyway so I'll assume that's not a good explanation of what you really think and I won't pursue it. 2. Replace "black" with "Muslim" zomg it was an analogy all along wow. <_< HEY HEY HEY IS NOT NECESARRY HOW U DO LIKE THAT IN THIS PLACE FOR WHICH WE COMMUNICATE. 1) What I am saying, is that while it is not acceptable IT IS GOING TO HAVE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, herp. And I it's perfectly rational for someone who's been through extreme situations to exercise it, derp. 2) It was a joke, like oh my god.

It's a hypothetical situation we created. We do know what happened. The hypothetical neighborhood refuses to accept (legally or emotionally, whatever) a black family that moves in because they're not comfortable with blacks. I would absolutely judge that sentiment to be based in racial prejudice. Sorry for the confusion, I agree with you in that they are using racial prejudice. But what I am arguing is while it's not acceptable, it's a part of human nature. And sometimes we just need to deal with it. And this is like, mad off topic. Hash brownies work wonders :thumbup:

Right, which brings us back to the bigotry issue again. is it bigotry? If the black people came into your apartment complex, slaughtered your women, and kidnapped your children? Would you still consider it bigotry? (Assuming you're talking about the same scenario I am) You are rejecting one black person merely because another person of the same skin color committed a crime against you. Yes, that is bigotry. Acknowledging the fact that Everyone's A Little Bit Racist doesn't make racism a valid premise for a reasonable argument. Never said it did, (read above post) however, we can never know what particularly went on there, unless we were there. So we mustn't judge them.

I was just about to post "someone just made a topic about this 1 month ago" Then I didn't.

What? You shave your back as well? Ye, is definitely more manageable now.

Right, which brings us back to the bigotry issue again. is it bigotry? If the black people came into your apartment complex, slaughtered your women, and kidnapped your children? Would you still consider it bigotry? (Assuming you're talking about the same scenario I am) I would consider it bigotry if the people moving in were completely unrelated to the people to the murderers except for the fact that they had the same skin color. Perhaps, but who's to say you wouldn't act exactly the same? Evolution is the highest bigot of all times, surely everyone has some bigotry. *sigh* it's pathetic I even have to put this in here: no I am not supporting bigotry by saying it's inherent.

If you think the genesis story has any similarity at all to the idea of the big bang, you either are unfamiliar with the genesis story or the big bang theory. Genesis does not explain the nuclear reactions that form stars, it does not describe galaxies of stars, it does not include anything about life originating on earth in microbial form. Etc etc... And I have repeatedly tried to ask you what these things are. What events? What good has it brought? And again I will ask you, HOW is the FSM different from your god? You arent giving any response to anything. You haven't laid down a single shred of support for all of the claims you are making. For example, your reply should be "The FSM is inferior to my god because _____" where you then cite evidence to support your claim. Again I must either be illiterate or you have made some type of writing error. Don't understand what you are even trying to get at here. 1. It is absolutely insulting to use "religion/philosophy" with a slash together like that. They are not even remotely the same thing. 2. Who says we need somebody to create these answers to "why" questions? Why cant everyone just answer their own "why" questions? I will not post what my reasons are, as I'm not one to waste my time for no reason. You will invalidate my reasons, my beliefs, banish them from your mind simply because you're not here to accept what I believe. That's completely understandable, however, you're not here either to even consider them. You're here to attempt to secure your rung on the ever crumbling E-volutionary ladder. c wat i did thar? no? Shame. I once saw a quote on Zybez, which has become my favorite ever. No doubt some famous philosopher wrote it, since I doubt that poster thought it up. "Someone with intelligence, is someone who believes what your believe, and agrees with what you agree. Someone with genius, is someone who has said something you've yet to say. " (Which can be also interpreted as thinking something you've yet to think) And that is how the major part of this forum operates. As long as we believe what you believe, we are logical, rational, intelligent people. But if we dare have differing opinions, we are thrown from the top of your ivory towers, to rot in the cesspool decaying grave, where all who are irrational, illogical, and unintelligent blissfully rot. Let's not argue the dynamics such as God has nothing to do with Logic, and depending on how you come to acknowledge the existence of God, it can perfectly logical. Wait, what am I saying...? WHAT WAIT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Splat. *sigh* Oh well, being logical was fun while it lasted.

Right, which brings us back to the bigotry issue again. is it bigotry? If the black people came into your apartment complex, slaughtered your women, and kidnapped your children? Would you still consider it bigotry? (Assuming you're talking about the same scenario I am)

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Does it give us the right to force them to accept a black person into their neighborhood though, regardless of what they may do to him/her? Yes, I am pretty sure that this community would have some serious problems if they did not want to sell a house to a black person... In your point of view. For all you know, black people came in and enslaved everyone who wasn't black. And they just recently were freed. Does it give us the right to force them to accept a black person into their neighborhood though, regardless of what they may do to him/her? Yes, there are federal laws against discrimination on the basis of race. Legally. No one said emotionally they have to accept them.

Umm ok. Frankly, just because you're religious doesn't mean you know what being religious means at all. And I'm perfectly aware that now you're all enlightened and [cabbage]. And you don't know Mother Teresa then, but go on. I'm all ears

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You do't live in my apartment building, I'm gonna go kill my neighbors. You have no right to tell me it isnt right, since you dont live here. EDIT: again theres another reason why your argument is completely ludicrous. Okay, maybe someone lives in new york, but they dont live in the neighborhood where the towers were. Okay, well wait maybe it should be closer, maybe you have to live within 5 blocks to where it happened. You know what, nobody is authorized to have an opinion on it unless they were in the tower and survived. etc... How can you say how close is close enough? And how far is too far away? To be completely honest, DEPENDING on what happened in *that* building, you may be completely justified. Locale isn't the defining factor, but everything located inside is.

I dont understand what the hell you are talking about here. Perhaps some specificity would help you Again it is impossible to understand you unless you have anything more specific to say. Otherwise I could simply say "You simply dont understand or appreciate atheism" You need to elaborate on your points. Ok, the "trolling aside" comment implied the first sentence was sarcasm. And the reason I don't bother elucidating on my points is because I know it will make no difference. When people of the opposing sides post something, I may post something stupid like "atheists r nerds L" but that doesn't mean I didn't comprehend, and digest the post. I've actually become significantly more liberal since I joined this forum, but whenever I post a point I invest all this energy into explaining, people make these replies like they only read the first 3 words. Ok: In the first quote I was while making a joke, also saying in Genesis the 7 day week of creation explains the creation of the world via the Big Bang theory. Almost exactly. So I was implying they just stole the idea of the big bang/evolution from the bible. On the 2nd part: When I say appreciate, I don't mean appreciate in the sense of being thankful. But in the sense of... I guess you could say understanding Religion's place in the world, both good and bad of it. Your take on it seems very one sided, which is why I say you don't fully understand it. Religion has brought so much good into the world, and you don't even care. You try to dissect it, and compare it to effigies of Humanism in an attempt to degrade it. And the very idea that you can compare any serious religion to the spaghetti monster shows you don't know what it's like to be Religious. The clincher is, you don't even have to be religious to know how they feel, surprisingly. If you can show me you do know, (based upon your replies/arguments) I'll eat my words, every last morsel.