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Lateralus is right, there's no such thing as a "Christian scientist" and there's no such thing as an "Atheist scientist" either. You see, this is the real problem with people like you. You never see science for what it really is and try and break it down as a fight between Christians and atheists. This is absolutely crazy and couldn't be further from the truth. Science is a completely impartial endeavour which seeks to come up with explanations (theories) to fit the data we obtain from the natural world. Yes, the data needs interpretation, and yes, in some cases bias can creep in. This is precisely why we have peer review -- something which Creationists don't feel they should take part in -- to pick out bad science or incompetent methodology. It's perfectly conceivable that one explanation can take precedence over another by virtue of the amount of data it explains and the amount of evidence it has to support it. This is the reality with evolution vs. creationism. Evolution is a well supported scientific theory while Creationism is a religious belief. And please, don't even try with the "it's all down to your perspective" argument with me, because I've done my research. God knows I've done far more that my fair share, and I did it before I really knew I was an atheist, as a matter of fact. I did it because I was curious and wanted to find out why scientists are so favourable of evolution in relation to Creationism. Suffice it to say that I found ample evidence supporting evolution, and I discovered that Creationism is not scientific at all. In fact, it is supported by religious zealots whose primary tools are ignorance or blatant misrepresentations of the truth. I can't even remember how many times I've had to go through this thread and debunk Creationist arguments which clearly have no scientific backing to them whatsoever (or that are complete misrepresentations of what scientists really think or what evolution really is). It's a shame that you don't like science. You could learn a lot about evolution if you wanted to. Whoa whoa whoa. Let me stop you right there, buddy. Please, tell me everything you know about people like me. I'll take a guess you know nothing of people like me. the only common thread we share is religion, and even in that we differ, with the fundamentalists and liberalists. And you know as well as I do, that what Lateralus meant, was that if you were Christian, it meant you didn't believed in Science. Not that all Scientists are the same. And I really like how you lumped us all together as a ignorance spreading truth hating Mob. Very respectful. Let me tell YOU something, Warri0r45, may I call you Warri0r? Thanks. Well Warri0r, religion bashing is no more "morally" (sorry, forgot you guys don't have morals, as they are oppressive as you've made clear in the past) wrong, and vile as is gay bashing. And as I stated, the data is unbiased, as you have also stated, but the interpreation isn't. That was all I was debating. Stop putting words in my mouth. And guess what, ever noticed how Muslims are against Evolution also? And yet, for some reason, you don't hate them, but respect them... Interesting. But are you really saying, that if someone worked their butt offf trying to understand Organic Chemistry, that because they're Christian, then automatically, the only reason why they did that was to spread hatred? maybe you should go back to studying. Now, a key fact you may want to know, is simply because someone is part of a religion, doesn't make them a zealot, or a fundamentalist. So, get that through your head, as for months you've continuously wanted to label all Christians who believed in Creationism a Zealot, because then you can disregard their evidence, because you don't need to heed a zealot's info. And I can't even remember how many times I've had too listen to you patronize everyone who doesn't believe what you do. That is the highest intolerance I've ever seen, and then to call Christians intolerant. Nice. And I'm sorry if I'd rather hang with friends then listen to a teacher in a mid-life-crisis blab in a monotone voice about the importances of resonance in a drum with a hole in it. It's a shame you don't have any humility. You could learn a lot from History if you weren't so close minded.

My Life Your Entertainment -T.I.

Why the hell would you be sorry? I was being sarcastic. But i hate using "sarcasm" tags, because it makes it too obvious.

Is sarcasm dead.

I'm sorry. I hate Metal.

Call 911 and then practice passive resistance hoping they won't notice me.

You know what I meant, socialist in democratic clothing.

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Red -Fight Inside Kinda an emo band.

Well considering Russia is Democratic now... Though Bufoman is wrong, Russia basically is Communists in Democratic clothing.

American citizen=human British citizen=human therefore American citizen=human=British citizen; in terms of humanity Therefore, being british entails that an american is your fellow man So wouldn't North Korean citzen = human, and wouldn't nuking the entire place cause a "good to see you care about your fellow man" dilemma? And thats for the Army Generals to decide, which is why I'm glad I'm not one.

T.I. - Dead & Gone. Just finished listening to Stanky Leg by G-Spot. do da stanky LEGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Oh ok, I see what you're saying.

I dont know, me and mage had a good abortion debate a good while ago. on topic--I dont think I have ever heard someone describe themself as an atheistic scientist Well if you're not religious, including agnostic, what else are you but an atheist? So if you're not a creationist, you're either evolutionist or anything else. But if Creationism is faith, aka theism, and you don't believe in it then you're A-theism or atheistic. Right?

Well it's hard for there to be any point in an internet debate, since usually both sides already aren't willing to give any ground for their minds.

That's very true. :thumbup:

This isn't about GF's, but my best friend uses this wack hair care product. It smells like bleach, literally. (She's Ghanian, if that means anything I'm pretty ignorant in this matter) and she doesn't really wear enough deodorant. So for instance, at our all night grad party, around 3am, she was stinking bad. But she's really sensitive when people comment about her body. So with what limited info I gave you guys, would be the best way to tell her to wear more deodorant, and\or changing haircare products? Without sounding like an [wagon].

I think he means that he's not scared by it, because he's confident in our missile defense systems?

I think Lateralus, we just need to agree to disagree. Because I think we're both not undertsanding each other they way we want us to be understood. I'm only backing up my argument that it's about mindset over matter. That's it. Please don't take offence to this, and I'm not trying to be callous, but I don't really care if you believe in Evolution or not, it doesn't affect me.

So, your mindset (which you share with those of Creationists) includes completely ignoring strong scientific theories? Sounds about right. Stop making cryptic nonsensical messages, all I stated is that I'm not saying the Wiki article is wrong, I'm just saying I wasn't trying to disprove Evolution, but prove that it's what your mind is biased to. And I think you might be referring to how I find Scientist boring. I find Church boring, it doesn't mean I'm going to hell. I find Physics boring, it doesn't mean I'm stupid. I find Jazz Music boring\in bad taste. that doesn't mean that I am not a good musician. Clearly, if you're talking about what I stated, then me saying watching a show about the progression of an atom is boring, doesn't mean I'm a belligerent ignorant Intelligence-hating god extremist. Which you're trying to paint me to be. Why do I even get involved.

Actually no, I'm not a scientist, and find it quite boring. And I'm aware Behe was disproved, as someone posted above, the whole point of that quote, was how it was about your mindset. Sheesh.

10\10, I'm working on it atm, it's so boring, 200k to 93, I just can't do anymore lol...

Because that was simply a summary I got from googling it. What it's saying, is that there are somethings you simply can't just break down to smaller parts. No matter how many scenarios it went through in nature, time alone simply couldn't. Another example of how it's mindset over matter: There aren't any fossils of of animals in a "transitional" state. Now Creationists take this as Evolution is a farce. But Evolutionists may just say, that it just means we haven't found any yet. A good movie you may want to watch is "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" it's pretty good, semi boring though. And just so you know, that argument that since they're called christian scientists means they're biased, is no different from someone saying Athiestic Scientist. No difference, Atheists ARE predisposed to Evolution. Which obviously shows bias, and questions the validity of a scientist. And don't act like Christians are out there to kill all knowledge, good grief. That's childish, it makes me wonder, what could possess a Christian Scholar to only pursue the career so they could kill intelligence? Need I remind all of the religious Scientists that have brought about so much of what we know today? Notice I didn't say Christian, but religious. As in Deist, Muslim etc. They're all still religions, and no different from Christianity. And at least post an example of how it's disproved, instead of saying it; like a poster did above you.

That's cold. :P Or, take the Democratic route, and don't touch them, and hope they go away, besides, you don't want to hurt their feelings. And as Peta states, you are sub human if you kill an insect. Incase you weren't aware, this is sarcasm, and is posted in good nature.

rofl. Indeed.