Lord-kain1

if it makes you feel better thats the first ive heard about it :) LK1

thats nothing? hahaha try doing this: 7800/7 (7800 divided by 7) ull get like 1114 times = 1114 X 10k (1114 times 10000) and ull get what i mean... 11mill * !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your seriously doing your math wrong.... your doing it as if he only takes 1 plank\ log at a time when a demon butler can take up to 26 even thou 24 is normal for mass building larders so (7800 / 24) / 7(average trips before paying again) about 47 which would be about 470k.. i think more then fair cost for the time saved getting the 468k exp although you could probly drop down to the normal butler and save some money by just having him bring 16 at a time but still LK1 ps con isnt suposed to be cheap thus my many recent plunges back into the barrows crypts lol

im sorry to tell you that it wouldnt be that much harder; all they would have to do is tweek a auto to tan hides or something similur countless hours? unfortunitly i think not :( LK1

actully you cant really base it on the percentage it says left, because it most liekly is worse damaged then that but from what i understand the formula to find out how much it costs to repair it yourself is .05XR where X is your smithing levle and R is the repair costs it would have cost you, Just use your armour on the armour stand and in the message box it will tell you the normal repair cost and also how much it will take you to fix it yourself ( at 99 you save half) unless your lvl 1 smithing, its better for you to just fix it yourself LK1

you havent done abbyss crafting have you? hte abbyss zaps your preyer down to 0 and skulls you at the same time thus there is no protecting it unless your going to carry a prey pot with you the entire time to sip and turn on item protect right before you die its a good idea i thought about it myself too; also what some of the others havent realized, Ancient magic requires the completion of the Deasert treasure quest and higher magic lvl to cast and yes home tele tablets only take up 1 slot, and that lose of 1 rune per run out weighs the possiblity of loseing an ammy and the fact that eventaully your going to have to recharge them LK1

build a chapel withalter and a portal room with a canifis portal that way all you have to do is carry home tele tablets, recharge at home and zip thru the canifis portal; much faster barrows trips cuz thats what i do( thou i using runes for home tele because need 7 lvls for lecturn to make home tele tablets) LK1

no number of firestaffs of natures are going to help if your spell book is set to ancients because there is NO alch spell :-P LK1

same pack here -.- wow... actully those are the kinda packs i was worried about\ expecting to get.... so thanks for the warning lol if i was even slightly debating it before i can certinly say a solid NO MORE now :-P LK1

i bought a packet of each(10 pts for herb 5 for seed) and these are my results: Herbs: 3 Harr 3 rannar 2 toad 4 irit 2 avantoe 1 kwarm Seeds: 2 limp 3 strawberry 1 rannar what about all of you? at first i thought this was pretty good especialy with the rannar seed but.. that takes 5 points... thats around 7.5k exp for about 15k cash... then the herbs are even worse.. i think ill stick to exp( after i get that lovely mace ofcourse :-D LK1

i went out and got getright so i could resume the file dl... currently ive resumed it 3 times and its only at 38%... man these dl sites REALLY dont like me they stop at like every 1.4m .. ill post my opinion after i get to watch the entire thing :) LK! ps i repeat good song :-D

i hope shes at lest average, i made the mistake of looking thru mine after building it... and got a very clear picture of The Old Hag....*shutter* Her parents must have been fortune tellers thats all im going to say... LK1 *mumblenotnatural...notnaturalmumble*

okay everyone i finnaly did it, i got my armour repair stand up and running and i just fixxed my guthans armour and nearly cut the cost in half resulting in an instant 100k+ savings. with how often i use my guthans .. this one improvement will eventually save me more money then ill end up paying for the entire house wootish! anyone else realize this yet? i mean admitedly my lvl 87 smithing really helps but anyone could gain benifit of it paying off the house even with a small reduction in cost. anyone find another method of cash saving with house? besides the unlimited teles? LK1

It really isn't a bad idea to wait until you hit a comfortable level before you really do any serious house designing. Best idea would to wait till you can at least make every type of room. That way you can lay out the rooms at least. Then when you get the specific item that you want... you can then add it as you get it. The main problem with the portal room specificly is... you would literally have to wait until you can get your portal of choice before you could perminitly use them... otherwise you would be wasting a couple hundred runes. Like... I would probably want the marble portal and the scrying pool... So I would have to wait until level 80 before I could get the specific items I would need (Thats an extra 30 levels from being able to add the room itself). If Jagex hasn't done this already, there should be a way to upgrade your Portals without wasting runes reassigning them :? . I'm going to be spending about 1mil (-) on my Portal Rooms, so I'd rather not have to repeatedly waste another couple 100k. i already have a fully functional portal room only teak portals ... im leaving them as teak right now and i dont forsee me making them marble anytime soon.. until ive done absolutly everything else and have a LOT of money to blow lol LK1

yes, from what i understand you have to be able to caste the spells, and since the ability to cast the spells comes as quest rewards id have to say a big afirmative; and you create the canifis portal by switching to ancient magiks, and using the focus in the center of the room to create the portal LK1 ps i didnt know about that glory ammy tele thing o.o ill have to try that lol

i could do shop prices for some of the items but since the skill is so new the street prices are all over the place ie oak logs have been going for 500 to 1.5k each i can confirm either actully selling for that or seeing the sale. maybe i can add one after the uproar dies down ill add some shop prices soon glad people are enjoying my guide :) LK1

yea to a point but i hope they do eventually lower the prices on some of this stuff personaly im only going to be making one of each of those highest items... im going to just train with oak because its most cost effective for the time after i get my portals up and running im going to start another money making engine and just keep going till i can afford a few more of my desired upgrades as it is i have my kitchen and workshop nearly completly upgraded.. but some of the other stuff is oing to wait a looooong time unless the prices come down LK1

hey everyone i havent actully seen anyone post something liek this so i thought i would share in my research. It appears that everything you make will give the same exp based on the materials used. as in like smithing the exp is not based on its level but how many of the materials you use. plank + nail: 29 cloth : 15 oak : 60 teak : 90 mahogany: 140 clay: 10 limestone: 20 marble: 500 gold leaf : 300 glass: 1 (not typo) steel: 20 magic stone: 1000xp each *thanks Creaphis for info; i overlooked it the only exception to this seems to be the wooden table which gives 1xp less then it should example: carved oak table takes 6 oak planks.. and gives 360 exp ( 6 * 60 = 360) hope this helps everyone LK1

my last thread got locked because it was confused for a rant but heres the prices for the higher levle materials bit pricey? meh LK1 ps i have NOT seen another thread with this information so dont lock please because people really need to know this to plan for thier building

i got several reasons for you 1) something that you can actully show for your money that you have no chance of losing to a random event( ie party hats) 2) BARROWS ARMOUR REPAIR; nuf said 3) unlimited teleporting, cutting barrows runs times = more money faster 4)... its a house... COME ON! LK1

I'm glad everyone is taking a shining to this thread and that i have people agreeing with me *is shocked* lol well also i dont know if its even possible to have more then one portal room; as it stands now your only allowed 1 games room so it would make sense that only 1 portal; can anyone confirm? im a few lvls away so lol LK1

That lectern is only used to make stone tablets. Its not an actual portal that gives infinite teleports. you just looked at the wrong place... actully i believe y2g is correct, the center is NOT a portal; it is a focusing mechanic not an actual portal; if you look in the knowledge base you will see the room, 1 door; the other 3 sides have a portal each and in the center is the focus stand read futher on past the part you quoted to see what i mean LK1

okay ive seen some talk abt where to put your house if you want it to be a tele hub, but none on the exact portals people would be installing from what i see 1 room can have a max of 3 portals... thats 3 teles so which 3 would be best? asuming your only making the 1 portal room and not going ape with every portal I would suggest ardougne, watch tower, and kharyrll(canifis) they are the most expensive and having a central hub for these would make it much more effective, plus if your teleing to your house you might as well use tele to one of the other places since it would cost same amount of runes basicly your thoughts? LK1

why does that not sound right :?: :?

Your house isn't exactly a bank. Anyone know how quick the servants are? And also, they quote wages but are they daily or weekly? Which location is good for barrows? Thinking about it... Rimmingon gives you good access to the craft guild - cheap levelling with soft clay? A chapel in Yanille might be good for Blue drags, unless everyone started doing it. for me it seems to be simi random sometimes 15 minutes sometimes can be well over an hour, but i only have the maid so 1k for a runner isnt bad especialy for a max of 4k an hour? if you were paying a newb that to run stuff for you you;d be jumping for joy lol and it takes her about 20 seconds to return with 10 planks, in that time i tear down and rebuild 2 workshop tables which evens out sometimes im a little faster sometimes little slower; just make sure you have enough room for the items comeing in or youll lose them LK1

umm... is the guide suposed to stop when you give the demon the notes? thats only like 45 seconds into it... and mine just stops o.O probly got corrupted during download :oops: ps... awsome music! I'm blue hehe LK1