Lord-kain1

well no offence but thats what ya get for not reading the rs thread ;) I HAVE used it and i figured i should do some testing just to see if people will listen to reason that this is NOT FAST EXP BY ANY MEANS to add to the uselessness of this spell it has a confirmation message for each and every casting of the spell asking if you want to spend the money, that on top of the casting time makes it take about 10 seconds per log as far as that odd comment about high alching... umm high alching converts items into cash that makes sense... how many spells can you name that COST money to cast? i mean DIRECTLY cost money and, i dont mean using 1 coin as a focal point for whatever. And for the act of spliting a log(yes i know its actully sawing a log into sheets but point remains)? Would you be so kind as to explain how the act of splitting a log requires gold coins? The closest i can get to is that you summon little leprechauns and pay them to do the logs for you, in tha case i want the animation at least :-P so in closeing, YOU obviously havent used the spell LK1

firstly it does 1 at a time, so it would take 25 castings to do an inventory of logs( not exactly no time with how long it takes) secondly just tested and as could have figured NO it does NOT work on notes LK1 ps you also neglected to mention the nature runes that are required

acenator a simple solution to that would be only use 1 set of runes and have it do an entire inventory of logs, that would slow magic exp. to balance out use all the cash in 1 go. but thats already talked about in the rs thread :-D what im worried about with this thread is what will jagex do similur to this in the future. like take 100 iron arrows to cook a food item?(just showing iron arrows to show rediculousness of using unneeded items) or 100 feathers to change a trout into a salmon. LK1

i see that, i went and switched my spell books and can tell you it definitly takes 2 astrals 1 nature and 15 earth runes along with cash so knowledge base is wrong, nothing new with that happening with an update :) LK1

i dont think this will affect the the plank buisness at all since youll lose money if you do it in comparison to making planks, and a lot slower. Also this spell is level 86 magic so i dont know how many of those higher lvls would be using that as a way to make money. LK1 edit: oops yea its 86 not 90

i doubt its possible to do it on noted logs ill test it here in a second, but even so doing 25 castings isnt as fast as running to sawmil and back. thanks for input LK1

itake it you didnt read the rs thread, the spell costs 1050, pure cash, and then it takes 2 astal runes a nature and 15 earth(or staff) that makes a total of(conservatively speaking) 1550 per plank for a mahog log. while you can get a plank made for 1500 at sawmil a 50gp loss, factor in the time that your wasting casting the spell on each individual log insted of having the mil operator do an inventory at a time.. where is the money making coming into play? FastForce I agree that its suposed to be a money sink, and personaly i wouldnt complain about the cost except for 1 fact. it only does 1 log. if they charged FULL price(1500) and you still had to use the runes it would be worth it in time saving. but the fact that you have to do each log one at a time is crazy( make glass and bones to peaches/bannas are 1 invy at a time) if they are wanting the money sink they should at least make it more convientent LK1

I currently have 17 boots, 13 hats 6 pants and NO shirts ive done this mini game many many times wasted entire days trying to just get the shirt. and the totals of currently banked lumberjack items dont include the extras i dropped on the groud to pick up big bones or nail beast nails to answer the nail question i have nearly 300 and thats after making a good number of those sanfew potions, yea ive done a lotta treking and am running out of staffs and balance pots.. PLEASE A SHIRT! lol LK1

Firstly: i made my thoughts on teh subject of this spell very clear on my thread on the offical RS forumsquick find code 27-28-630-44040748 but beyond how rediculous it is, this got me thinking, are they going to continue making these spells that really will NOT be used? For those that didnt go read my thread ^ the spell not only takes runes as normal it COSTS money but each casting only does 1 log at a time. the cost in cash alone will make people not want to do it( 1050gp + casting runes to make 1 mahog plank for example) This also brings up the question, where are they going to be taking these "none rune" spell ingrediants. having 1 item in the spell okay that seemed to make some sense(bannana for ape atol tele) but with them including CASH in a spell that obviously has no reason to take cash... where will this lead? or maybe more importantly where would this end? Your thoughts? LK1 ps if you want to head over and add your name to the list of suports for change on the RS forum it would be apreciated

hey everyone i got a problem i was hoping someone could help me with. I made several textures in photoshop and i have made all othe geometry in Rhino, now im trying to get the textures the way i want it and i cant find any form of UV mapping( texture mapping/ material placement/ putting pretty picture on 3dmodel the way you want it) no idea what it would be called in rhino, i know programs like Anim8or and autocad have similur functions but i cant seem to find it in rhino. anyone have any ideas? thanks in advance LK1

okay while that is a valid question and kinda funny its like.... off topic... like heres the topic he's trying to say.... and hereswhere u are.... ookay ONTOPIC :-D I know what you mean I used to randomly get the impulse to make some equip and give it away to random people, the ones that apriciated it is the reason i kept doing it. But the community seems to have changed, now instead of "oh thank you!" its " That's all? gimmie something better" its really disheartening its like a lot of the new players are spiteful, cold, and just plain rude. makes me worry about runescapes future :\ LK1

OddFaery2 Good to see ya again havent seen ya on the boards or ingame in a while;) I have to agree with oddfaery most of this "inflation thru training" would have happened despite the nurf on chaos. And about the mage pures.. okay that WASNT even discussed in the first topic, in rsc mage pures where a joke because they were low level, low hp, and died VERY quickly so at best they were a newb pker toy. And as to there being more of those then main account... Where did you get that over-exagerated information from? firstly all the really good stuff is higher lvl, secondly training magic is rather expensive even with the large amount of runes currently in the economy flow i know someone thats going that "pure mage pker" route and its tough. Most people new to the game wouldnt have the resources or mind set to pull that off right off the bat so they'd make a main first, and MAYBE later make a mage pker. so with the "more mage pures then mains" your pretty much completly disreguarding all f2ps. oh and with charge i think you could get between 1 and 2mil exp per hour by just rapidly clicking on the spell, i heard reports of up to 3m and with prople going from 80 to 99 in one day because of it, I'm sure theres still some linguring threads here or people who had the resources at the time and actully did it. Also something that people havent brought up is the fact that marathon training can get rather boring especialy when no one else is around to chat with, Alching makes it possible to be pretty much anywhere while you train while crumble undead only had 1 real training spot(magic guild) yea i know theres plenty of other spots with undead but thats the main one. LK1

this was pretty much a coincidence, the reason? well the reason crumble undead was so popular was for its auto casting ability once slayer came out with the slayer staff. this kept the lazy players from getting exp so easily so they went else-where for exp(strike spell splash training seems to be a biggie for the lazy players) Alching has been a MAJOR form of training magic since rsc, it just got a LOT more popular with RS2 with the increase of supply of natures( both from drops and the ability to RC them) If you wanna talk about insanity, in rsc it was simi common practice for the really rich people to sit in wheatfields, pick wheat, and alch it(no spawn rate on wheat back then so endless supply) the more pactience people obviously gravitated to a way to not only break even but make money from alching( yew long, magic long, steel pl8s etc) so in short, inflation and use of highalching was bound to get more popular as the runes becamse more readily available. LK1

A tip that would be very helpful would to be to take a SACK of potatos or cabbages(onions obviously possilbe too but not as readily available as potatos and cabbage). This is 10 food items in 1 spot thus you can Do a FULL round trip with camp site events both ways without banking ( go to temple then back to burge as a guide) and only taking up 1 slot in invy. Lord-Kain1 Ps also on the lumberjack event is seems that you can only recieve 1 piece of clothing per trip reguardless of the number of lumber jacks you kill.

Actually, i'd prefer an FN P90, better rate of fire and a fair bit lighter.(Though RS already has projecile weaponry, crossbows and longbows are actually a fair bit more dangerous than some guns.) just fr omthat post, you = awesome. Most people i talk too when compairing weapons have no idea what a P90 is. Thier loss :-D LK1

Molotov cocktails! they are basicly bottles of alcohol with cloth stuff in and lit with a tinder box and they are a stacking range weapon with splatter damage when you throw them at someone or something they break and create a small bon fire that you can actully cook on. Also it gives the npcs in the blast radius a new examine such as " smells like bacon" "extra crispy? puh-LEAZE" and other comidic effects as far as damage actully have negs and or only do 1 dmg all the time. Sqeeky Hammer of D00m! its main use is as a 2 handed weapon with relatively low stats but its real purpose is that you can operate it while equiped to do a loud sqeek emote that makes people do a cower or cover thier ears emote(doesnt effect combat thou) board with nail just a plank with a nail in it examin " uhh i knew i forgot a step.." it has a funky emote when you attack someone you run at them with the plank over your head and bash thier head ( low stats thou so lill dmg) Tinderbox of d00m! lvl 99 firemaking required it goes in your shield slot and when you operate it and select a target you light them on fire like the human torch... does no damage but makes a nice "murder the newbs!" action LK1

a correction to the bit about the prayer book gotten from the brainrobbery quest. as i mentioned in my post in the herblore correction section the book seems to take prayer points depending on the poison. With a poisoning from a tribemen(freshly starting at 11) i used the book at levle 69 prayer and it drained 5 points in 1 go and completly cured me of the poison Lord-Kain1

lonar ring is better :\ i guess this ring could be a lazy chea persons alternative to the alternative to a seers? lol im just doing the quest for the rc xp reward pretty much since abby would probly be a lot faster( no maze ftw!) LK1

or sacks of potatoes or cabbage thats 10 in 1 invy spot good for a trip to temple and back ( max number of people ive had to help is 5 so far) LK1

those skills while needing expansion do have purposes for being higher Firemaking- burning shades(spacificly the high lvl ones)- good prayer xp and loot Hunter- Hamster grenades FTW!- and having imps tele stuff is also nice Construction- if you TOTTALY optimize your house it is a one stop hub that makes MANY things easier; Barrows runs , DK Runs, KQ runs Etc Agility, having shortcuts to places that most noobs cant get too because of thier own lazyness? Thats plain awsome when you lower compotition like that. i been around for a looong time and ill tell ya that releasing skills early isnt a problem if thier done right, why? Because you have the OPTION NOT TO DO IT. NO ONE is forcing you to do the new skills. But those who DO want to do it? yay for them. If summoning is a new skills ill do like i normaly do 1) get it to 50 - 70 while i evaluate if the skill will actully be useful. example? i didnt level Range until rs2 came out because it was pretty useless imo my main char only had liek 40 or 50 range LK1

with temple treking sometimes you get an event with peopel starving and about to die the normal thing is to kill snails quickly make a fire and feed them snail meat, yay. Well for time consideration i been taking a pineapple and a knife ( 4 slices = 4 people) works pretty well, but i was also thinking that if you took 2 satchals you could take 6 pieces of food( maybe even be really cheap and eat 2 slices from each before giving it to them if your hp is low) for space savings and power treking this could be helpful. the tea flask wouldnt be good because the flask requires a cup and i believe(correct me if im wrong) they'd take the cup too thus ruining the space saver idea LK1

Quickfind code please? Anyways, I like this idea of "charge up" weapons or armour. Although I can't quite see them coming up with anything more powerful than barrows or 3rd age. Yet more powerful weapons, especially for mage/range could be interesting. Charge up weapon for range is Crystal Bow, perhaps the hally or a new crystal sword will come out soon. actully thats not true, crystal bows and barrows actully store thier information on the character, thats why they actully stack in the bank if they are at the same lvl some of that realizations came about in the tea flask not stacking complaints\ discussions LK1

Okay i've been thinknig of the tokens we get as reward and then it struck me ... You guy remember the discusion about Tea flasks and how each item has its options saved on the item and not the character ... i think that is what they did with the tokens that each token actully saves how you did on the trek on the spacific token(normaly doesnt matter but if you power trek about 6 back and forth before banking it could) when the banker or priest takes it from you they always take whichever one is first in your inventory but give you the items you earn for the trek it represented the purpose of this post besides providing random trivia? Well i think this " per item" coding is going to be to jagex as a new toy is to a kid... its going to get played with a LOT for a little while until they find something better to play with. meaning we might get one of those facy "charge up" weapons or armours next month or so. a bit of a leap there i know but people tend to asociate things that are good together. its good and new so they will most likely want to give it something "worthy" of this new coding "toy" just my thoughts LK1

yeaaa i think they nerfed it, they really should give a larger xp bonus to make it more then just an outfit. its still muder to get shirt LK1

thanks i found that thread now lol i browse the boards pretty regularly i must have missed that sorry for my idiocy LK1