You cant blame the level 120,s for taking the dag kings of you, they made the trip down there , they spent the time getting ready and i completely understand why they didnt leave immedeatly when somebody asked them too, they hadas much right to train there as you. Also with the stuff, if i see someboody die i always give there stuff back if i can find them again but its not in the rules of the game that you have too, if it was as much stuff as you said many people can still be tempted by that much stuff however nice they are. With the dharoks, the second you saw that you where running out of pray and couldnt get to the altar you should have tele,d and played it safe rather than risk all those things, again it would have been nice if the level 80 had given your helm back but he didnt have too, i would have but everyone,s different. ps:and the only way that this has anything to do with karma is if you and your freinds dont give people stuff back when they die.