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You are right a solution would be a major step. But i have one question The peace possess is basically Israel gives land and in return receives peace from the Palestinians can we agree on that? If yes then Israel started this possess by handing over the Gaza Strip but hasn't seen the peace. The Israeli Prime Minster said he would gladly give more land once Israel receives peace. So what do you do hand over more land?

Seeing as first they (the Palestinian) need to make peace, In which Israel tried by giving the Gaza strip. Yet the Gaza Strip is daily used to terrorize the Israeli citizens, threw Mortar and Rockets, That is just the daily incidents. So Israel is not going to give more land in till The Palestinian keep their end of the deal, It isn't a one way street.

I love the way you like to attack me :rolleyes: Any ways The Palestinian Refugee problem started with the independence war. What you are leaving out is that there are Jews who were far from the conflict yet they also became refugees. I am not sure how you can think of any reason that this is irrelevant to the subject. We are talking about the Refugee in 1947-1948. Unless you want to leave the Jews out of it. In which case you are being bias.

It has everything to do with the topic, it is part of the Refugee problem or do you have a problem with the Jewish refugees?. You selectively quote me. If you want to get back on topic please go back on topic you seem to be the one going off topic.

It is relevant. You can say it irrelevant all you want but you brought up a topic and i responded. Eight links total. One from Palestinemonitor, one from occupiedpalestine, three from human rights watch, three from amnesty international. Two total from websites with "Palestine" in the name. Six from UN websites. Two out of eight. 2/8 The links are from 4 site so as i said 2/4 with "Palestine" in the name. First of all 826,000 not millions so since you have problem with the numbers, i will repost the statics again these are the refugees of the Israeli Independence war. .If you want to start a topic on the holocaust go ahead but that is not the argument here.

I did not say you asked the stats but you brought up the Palestinian refugees, i don't won't to be bias so i brought up the Jewish Refugees. so how did i put words in your mouth? your links are From: hrw, amnesty, palestinemonitor occupiedpalestine. so yes it is 2/4 that is good math :huh: The Germans didn't relocate they Massacred 6 Million Innocent Jews and millions of others to. I explained before and you replied and i replied to you but you didn't respond. I didn't say because of the six day war it was OK i said Israel has a right also to build homes there, but thank you for putting words in my mouth.

And i answered you back but you didn't reply, i gave you the legal right and so did The Gabe. Putting you words in your mouth how, I said that there are Jewish refugees to. How does this can't as putting words in your mouth? I would like to point out 2/4 of your website of "Palestinians" in it making it sound bias.

Again, how does winning the Six Day War give Israel the right to violate the human rights of the Palestinians? Surely you wouldn't be arguing that in winning Poland Nazi Germany had the right to do what they wanted with the Jews there. It's the same principle. If Israel has the right to abuse Palestinians then Germany had the right to abuse the Jews. Of those links most were from the UN, Amnesty International and The Human Rights Watch. All of those are reputable international organizations. Quote me where I brought up the "refugee problem" in reference to Jewish refugees? Also, let's not forget that Israel also recently committed an act of war against Turkey. Boarding a Turkish ship in international waters and killing 8 Turks. Turkish public opinion is very much against Israel. But you're right, it's off-topic. I am sorry when did i say winning the Six Day War give Israel the right to violate the human rights of the Palestinians? i said Israel has the legal right to also build there. palestinemonitor and occupiedpalestine sand pretty bias to me. Act of war on turkey? Maybe the opposite. The Turkish ship was trying to breach a Israeli blockade, Israel acted in self defense. Source (#80, page 19)

In stead of just posting read the whole topic i explained that my name isn't Israel its Is Real. So once again why don't you post something related to to topic instead of going at me.

Why don't you get back on topic instead of talking about something irrelevant and will never happen if you want create a topic call turkey otherwise get back on subject

First, if Egypt started the Six Day War then why would Israel keep Palestine. Makes no sense, Palestine isn't part of Egypt. Anyways, my links were about settlement demolishing which you said was only used against terrorists. Those links I posted show it is used against civilians long after the war. Now you argue that it's actually okay to use against civilians, but for another reason. Get your case straight. Then you give me some irrelevant links, nothing to do with house destruction. Two of them I would like to point out are from Jewish/Israeli organizations (biased to the discussion we are having) and the UN one was from the HRC who I cited multiple times. The funny thing is the UN one isn't even about Israel and Palestine but about the use of the death sentence in Palestinian internal affairs. Not really relevant to the discussion. Then you give me some statistics. Again, how is this relevant? It doesn't dispute the fact that Israeli settlements break international law. You're arguing that because Israelis were abused (conceding this for the point of debate, though it could be argued against) in other parts of the Middle East then they have the right to abuse the Palestinians? Doesn't that just perpetuate the cycle of violence? Is that the Israeli way? They got abused so they have the right to abuse random people? Like that's the equivalent of saying that since a robber stole my TV then I'm allowed to take any TV in the neighborhood and that's okay. If the owner resists I can shoot them too. What i said was that Israel won a war its enemy's started it won it and got the spoils of war the The Gaza Strip from Egypt. and the West bank from Jordan. All your links are from Palestinian biased to the discussion we are having so it only fair i do the same. The Statics are relevant to the refugee problem which you brought up again. Let's compare the Turkish and Israeli militaries, shall we? http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp Israel and Turkey are not at, nor will they ever be so why don't you bring up something relevant to this topic. If you want create a topic called Israel vs Turkey. :wink:

And one which has repeatedly voted to continue it's status as a US territory when given the option of independence or statehood. I am sorry Puerto Rico wasn't a good example

Nifllin, Egypt started the six day war in which israel won. Conquered the West bank. It is normal to keep some land that you won in war, the USA did it in Puerto Rico. SO the i don't see the problem with Israel building homes on its own Land. UN human rights chief urges Hamas to halt executions List of Palestinian Terrorist Groups Major Terrorist Attacks in Israel In 1948 Egypt expelled 75,000 Jews from there home, 37,395 Jews of them went to Israel. Vise versa 7,000 Arabs went to Egypt. In Lebanon 6,000 Jews were kicked at of their homes of which 4,032 Jews went to Israel. 100,000 Arabs went to Lebanon. In Syria 30,000 Jews were forced to flee with clothes on their backs of which 8,523 reached Israel. 50,000 Arabs fled to Syria. In Iraq 150,000 Jews were forced to leave, 129,539 Jews went to Israel. 4,000 Arabs went to Iraq. Morocco 265,000 Jews were expelled; Algeria 140,000 Jews expelled, Tunisia 105,000 Jews Expelled, Libya 38,000 Expelled, Iran 100,000 Jews fled, Afghanistan 5,000 Jews, Pakistan 2,000 Jews, Yemen 63,000 Jews Expelled and from Ethiopia 23,270 Jews. In total 826,000 Palestinian Refugees and 1,002,270 Jewish Refugees. Most Jewish Refugees in the Arab World went to Israel after having their money and property confiscated. They were absorbed into the society and became full Israeli citizens and an integral part of the state. This is in contrast to the Palestinians refugees who never received citizenship or rights from the above Arab States. Except from Jordan which offered its Palestinians citizenship in which they didnt want it. The other places where they went to, are places that expelled its Jewish inhabitants, in which Israel gave them citizenship. So why cant they do the same, they kicked out Jews and they cant take in Refugee? This sounds fair. It's irrelevant and that is a fact. If I knocked Mike Tyson unconscious when he was 10 and then fought him again right now, I am not guaranteed victory. Apparently you are unable to comprehend the fact that the world has drastically changed since 1973. Times change. Yes, Israel faced those odds and won - 40 years ago. A war between what would essentially be the entire Muslim world versus Israel could only have once conclusion now, that is an Israeli defeat. You're only argument is that Israel has been successful before in what was in reality a completely different set of circumstances. I have shown you that there are plenty of armies that can stand up against Israel, and you just keep saying that they lost 40 years ago. You are actually taking the most ignorant, bigoted stance I have ever seen on this forum. It is not a irrelevant fact. The Israeli armies is 10times Better then it was in 1967. Unlike the Arab armies that attacked Israel which have only gotten worse do to the fact their main supporter is gone (Soviet Union). So it is relevant. Israel can and will fight off its enemy if it ever comes to it.

Wow, I guess you can't read. I'll explain it again. Israel is currently protected by the US. The past is irrelevant. I am talking about right now. There are armies as powerful if not more powerful than Israel's that are currently controlled by governments with unfriendly attitudes towards Israel. Again, I am talking about right now. Not 1948, not 1967, RIGHT NOW. It doesn't matter if they "were" your allies. They aren't now, and I'm talking about now. Thank you for the irrelevant factoids from a random listverse website with no citations. Unfortunately, that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion we're having. What I am saying is that, right now, if Israel were to lose its "US Protected" status, it would be up [cabbage] creek without a paddle, because it's stepped on a lot of toes. Israel alone (right now) would have no chance in unlimited warfare with the Arab League and Turkey - and that could happen very easily if the US stopped supporting Israel. First off you can never say the past is irrelevant. Israel defeated the Arab Armies of the World 3 Times that is a fact. Israel can do it again it already faced those odds and won

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So how do you explain Israels victory in 1947/1967 that was won without America helping. Israel NEVER fought Turkey and Pakistan. Turkey has always been our Allie in till recently, Iran never directly attack Israel and in till a few decades ago they were also out Allie. Israel has the third Most elite unit in the world no Arab country on there, Also the number 2 up there The Nay Seals underwent training by the Israeli Elite. Actually you didn't give anything you said except for a personal testimony from your friend. Please post a link a am not going to go on a goose chase for you.

You did and we replied and you change the subject without replying to our reply. So actually you chose to ignore the reply not The Gabe. So why don't you go back and answer our reply's to it, instead of lieing and blaming us for what you did go back and fix your mistake. Could you give a source? Anyways the Persian empire was in charge of the land during 550330 BC So i am not sure how there was a country there while the Persian Empire was there. So i will say again There never was a country called Palestine .

In the war of Independence, Israel received weapons from Czechoslovakia. In 1967 the air force were french planes the tanks were American and the guns were Israeli, only partially from America in which Israel bought them. in 1973 America airlifted weapons to Israel. Only one war that Israel was attacked by the Arab armies was supported by the USA. The reason Israel one is because of the brains of it commanders not the USA, the USA only provided weapons once when needed the rest Israel fought alone.

First off i am not gonna argue with you about religion there is a topic for that here, arguing over that the Bible is or isn't real isn't the argument for this topic. Second i think your proved my point for me, i am not arguing the source of the word, i am saying that the country "Palestine " never existed. The land of the present day Jewish State was ruled by one Empire after another, the only time the country was ever on its own was when in ancient Israel. I didn't say that so please don't put words in my mouth. You seem to know not know history. Israel was attacked 3 times by the Arab nations each time Israel won the war. The only thing America did in each war is create a cease fire, in which 1967 and 1973 the Arab armies that attacked Israel begged the UN to create a cease fire to stop the Israeli advance.

To start off Palestine never existed. Israel didn't invade anybody they fought for their lives in 1947-1948 and again in 1967 when it Enemy were at its borders with blood in their eyes. Israel fought and won its enemy's taking spoils of war with them.

Fighter? You mean terrorist. So giving the Gaza strip wasn't fair? for Israel it isn't fair the only thing they got of it is tho sands of rocket and mortar fired at Israeli citizens every year and many other terrorist attacks sound like a very fair doesn't it?

The concern is that they will use it to sneak in weapons to use on Israeli seems like a fair concern, seeing as they have fired thousands of rocket and Mortars each year at Israeli civilians.

The only reason you would have a sling shot is to fight. Pipes Hamas use to fire rockets and mortars at Israeli towns and cites that is why israel doesn't allow them in. Just because they didn't make their move yet doesn't hide their intent, they openly said they would break the Naval Blockade that is used to stop weapons from reaching the hands of Terrorist. That gives Israel the right to defend Themselves they just stoped them before they got to the blockade. The Israeli commandos came down on a rope of a helicopter even before reaching the deck they were attacked with pipes and weapons, so they responded in self defense. a video of The "peace activist" starting the fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo Gaza strip was given to start the peace, so how those that not solve anything? Simple it was a start but the Palestinians terrorist group Hamas instead uses it to terrorize Israel. So why can't they just leave peacefully and they will receive more land. Why should The Jewish State have to give more land, first let them show what us what they do with the Gaza strip. The deal is land for peace not land for more land. Here is a video of israel warning them saying the supplies will go to Gaza via ashdod. It is not normal to attack soliders when they are stopping you from doing something illegal . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmLP4yHb4

First off i like out of many things i said you only replied to 2 of them what you can't reply on the others? Palestinians want to live peacefully, the blockade on their city prevents them from doing so. They fight because they want freedom from the tyranny of the Israeli blockade. If they really want peace how those firing rockets at Israel's civilian promote peace? You seem to always avoid admitting that they do fire rockets at Israel civilians. Or how about the murder of a teenager on the way back from school but died at the hand of terrorism. Those this sound like they really want peace? For peace to be had first they need to get back their lands that were taken away from them. 2005 They got the Gaza strip back are do you want to leave that fact out. So why can't the Palestinians make peace now? All they have done with it is not live peacefully but they have used it as a terrorist base to attack Israel Slingshots, pipes and knives. Do you seriously believe they were planning an attack on the IDF with that? Yes i do why else would they prepare them before getting boarded? I am sorry i didn't see it, you posted that while i was writing my post.