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Israel won't give up any land and no return of refugees The land was conquered after 12 Arab armies surrounded its borders with the saying "we will drive them into the sea" then Egypt started the war by closing the Straits of Tiran which under international law is a act if war in return Israel fought back and liberated Gaza, The West Bank and the Golan heights it later returned the Sinai Peninsula but it has no reason to go back to the 1967 borders it was won under international law In 1947 1,002,270 Jew were expelled from their homes in the Arab countries and from the Palestinian Mandate 826,000 fled their homes with encouragement from their leaders that they would return as conquers and liberators Israel accepted the Jewish refuges why should the Arabs do the same?

I never said there were I am not try to start anything i just posted what happen today for me as this topic is about what happen to you today

Seems like I'll have to lit a candle for the Palestinians, then. For who? To the terrorist that blew themselves up in name of Hamas or the PLO 2 Terrorist organization created with one goal to destroy Israel? To the solders of the Arab armies that marched to Israel trying to destroy it but died trying to kills innocent people?

Today is Memorial Day for the Soldiers Who Fell in Israel's Wars and the Victims of Terror Attacks

You mean suicide

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I have done this many times :oops:

There was no humanitarian aid on the Mavi Marmara it was a passenger ship not a freighter ship there were 7 ship ships in the flotilla only 3 were freighter ships please read link because i don't think you believe me http://www.israelpolitik.org/2010/06/10/no-aid-found-on-turkish-vessel-mavi-marmara/ There is loads of evidence showing it was preplanned violence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I6XL2pzguE&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkXDev2wXVA&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM&feature=related http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/stephaniegutmann/100041771/gaza-flotilla-assault-what-really-happened-aboard-the-mavi-marmara/ At least we can agree on something which means we can make progress

I like how you are playing with my words what i said is if you support it and they call themselves a humanitarian flotilla that means you agree that they are a humanitarian flotilla even if their plan (a least the people aboard the Mavi Marmara) was to attack IDF soilders not to bring Humanitarian Aid there was no Humanitarian Aid aboard the Mavi Marmara where the IDF solders were attacked and killed 9 of the attackers http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/137997 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/137799

When did i say if you don't support Israel's policies then you support Israel's enemies? i never said that or anything like that

You're kidding... right? :lol: No. he misunderstood my first post, so i wanted to make sure he understood my clarification post :) It wasn't directed at everyone I think i understood what you are saying but i don't understand how what i said doesn't make sense

There's a fallacy in there somewhere. Not sure which one though, I don't keep a list, but if any of the more knowledgeable posters do, please say it... :lol: It's interesting that you post this after mentioning how blinded the anti-Israel side is, though. IT is a red herring, specifically an "irrelevant conclusion" fallacy. a) You support it b ) they call themselves a humanitarian flotilla conclusion: you support it therefore [fallacy] you also call it a humanitarian flotilla. My point exactly, if someone calls themselves something and then you support them you agree with what they are calling themselves Thank you tortilliachp for your support :thumbsup:

I do read what other people say. Israeli supporters don't blindly follow and support Israel you and the anti Israel propaganda are blinded You support it and they call themselves a humanitarian flotilla meaning you agree with them if you support them

Nice video 5 Stars! Embarrassing. What is embarrassing is you call it a humanitarian flotilla

Nice video 5 Stars! This is a good comparison to the reality of the audio tape IDF released and the kind of "peace" Israel advocates; one that is fabricated from lies and mocks the weak. And just a personal peeve, I rather dislike how some speakers of Hebrew can't say Hamas. It's Hamas, not Khamas. The IDF didn't release this video. How is this fabricated from lies? That hamas givens children guns or that they receive billions in aid or the hamas is a terrorist organization They were pronouncing hamas in Hebrew http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part3.HTML

Nice video 5 Stars!

Israel intercepted the flotilla in international waters right outside of Naval blockade so they wouldn't have a chance at running the blockade. The IDF board the ship and the activist attacked them first Where is the evidence of the IDF launching tear gas before boarding? and don't tell me in the video i watch it twice because i thought i might have missed it. Video: First of all 3 IDF soldiers were kidnapped and later they released them after they realized they lost control of the ship. I like how they say "They were briefly detained" And when she talks about here being detained she claims "she was kidnapped" not detained very interesting how we "kidnapped her" and our soldiers were "briefly detained". The rest of video wow you a video of injured people after they fought the IDF. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=2981 You have proven other countries not Israel We didn't smear the Goldstone Report it did it its self by not stating why operation cast lead started- After 8 years of launching more than 10,000 rockets and mortars at Israeli cities.It also failed to say Hamas is a terrorist group sworn to the destruction of Israel or any of the terrorist attacks against Israel. It also failed to state that the terrorist hid behind civilians and and in schools and hospitals. http://www.thegoldstonereport.com/ http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/g_report_e1.pdf Why is that because acted in self defense and killed people trying to kill them first the Israeli commandos are hero not terrorist unlike 50 men aboard the Mavi Marmara who attacked the IDF The Soldiers didn't murder they acted in self defense wow from the start you didn't believe a word out of the IDF so stop look for ways around the truth because there are none the truth will be heard if you like it or not

If you are trying to get us to go to your level of name calling nice try :shame: :thumbdown: Israel was the victim here it is the truth. If you are blinded by the anti Israel propaganda that the is your problem but don't try blinding others. I given you many links showing you they started the fighting not the IDF, if you don't believe the facts that is your problem Wow you showed that many government are afraid of its people Nationalism in Israel doesn't prevent the acknowledgment of war crimes. There were no war crimes done against the flotilla after me giving you so many different source i don't understand how you are so blinded

I am not blinded you are as i said i rifle/ 9mm pistol would have had a flash meaning that the is a paintball gun not a gun. Yes who is he blaming? Israel doesn't need the money. What immoral, irresponsible acts did Israel do stop a flotilla from entering a navel blockade set up to stop hamas of acquiring weapons to kill Israelis Netanyahu is not like bush he has done nothing wrong he is defending Israel from terrorist threats The flotilla? It is something Turkey should be embarrassed from not Israel Our claims our not false i have shown you proof in almost all my post. his post are high on emotion and high on facts. Unfortunately, that is *exactly* what they mean and *exactly* what they want: unflinching, unswerving obedience from the American government and American Jewry. Hell, I'm surprised I'm not already being called a "self-hating Jew" for the posts I've made in this thread. It's a standard tactic. That is not at all what we want.

He is not alone he has the truth on his side (and me and the rest of Israel and the Jewish nation) I am sorry but this video looks like a fake, second that is a paintball gun being fired not a gun, at night you would see a flash from the gun.

What you have seen over the last couple of weeks that embarrassed you? What in the last couple of changed you mind the flotilla staged by the Turkish government, to make Israel look bad to the world by defending itself. Once you hear the facts and don't ignore you should understand the real picture and understand that Israel was right Just because you don't have pride in your country doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't have pride in their own country. First of all Israel doesn't do what ever it wants. Second What does Eric Cantor have to do with this? Israel CAN stand on its own two feet without the USA and the USA needs Israel just as much then Israel needs it

everyone has pride in their country especially Israelis have so much to be proud of. Thank you for proving my point so succinctly. please tell me How did i proved your point?

everyone has pride in their country especially Israelis who have so much to be proud of.

What? what are you trying to say.