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That is true but what does that have to do with anything?

So apparently just quoting sources that seem to validate your claim make you correct? Apparently you've never visited Gaza yet you'd rather listen to organizations, which often have an agenda. Well here you go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7191359.stm http://mondoweiss.net/2011/04/mathilde-redmatn-and-the-humanitarian-crisis-in-gaza.html http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/05/20105319333613851.html My point is made clear, there are plenty of sources within even the week that contradict the Red Cross's seemingly whimsical claim. I assure you again, if you actually went to Gaza, you wouldn't want to stay. If you were a Palestinian, I assure you that you wouldn't have free movement between the border. your sources are bias on the Palestinians it doesn't mention anything about rockets headed towards civilians homes i think anybody would agree that the red cross isn't bias. i am only using a source which can be trusted who works everyday there and that is the red cross. last i check the eygptain border is closed to them so they should be allowed into Israel? Before the roman empire there was a country called Israel it was then conquered by the Romans that is a fact you can't be in denial over

I'll concede you got me on your username, it was close enough that I just shook my head Your using one example as your basis for denial of a country to a people - is that your only crutch? No problem you aren't the first to get that mixed up My reason for denial is we tried only to get it thrown back in our face and not its not only one denial the kidnapping of a Israeli solider firing a rocket at a school bus let them first prove themselves in Gaza before they get more land It looks like they have learned rockets do not send a message, and recently, Israel has looked quite bad as far as publicity goes. Really so we don't they stop firing rocket then?

Surely an intelligent person as yourself must realize that globally this issue is murky and debatable. Throwing out antisemitic insults over the first drip of sarcasm towards being branded radical will only have you written off as a nutjob, theres radical people of all races. Surely you would have to concede on a forum where your username and avatar are based upon your country - theres some obvious bias in your views. It's the equivalent of Palestinian32 saying the exact opposite. You can easily argue that Palestinians today are just as displaced and oppressed and put down as jews were under Nebuchadnezzar. Both groups at the end of the day still bleed the same color and share the same basic thread of humanity. Both deserve a place to call home. Compromise must be sought. You left out what i was quoting i don't believe that was sarcasm if you look at 5 other post before and after he likes to call names at the end of each post so each post was sarcasm i don't think so if one post was i can under stand but a few different post i think it is what he thinks. Meaning it wasn't one drip of sarcasm it was a few As for my user name Is Isreal not Israel as in "Is Real" not referring to Israel as for my avatar i am just showing what i believe its not bias bring me the facts and i will listen but only calling me out and not replying to what i said is bias and it says that you can't prove yourself so you are going to use different tactics to get your point across by calling names Actually the Palestinians are a lot better off Israel tried peace with them by giving them The Gaza strip in 2005 only to have over 10,000 rockets at Israeli civilians Nebuchadnezzar didn't try peace we did That sounds pretty antisemitic to me Gaza is not a concentration camp you obviously don't know what a concentration camp is if you are calling it that. According to the Red Cross says no humanitarian crisis in Gaza http://wireupdate.com/wires/16795/red-cross-says-no-humanitarian-crisis-in-gaza/ You are right the word Palaestina has been used in the past but never as a country on its own as oppose to israel which was a country 2000 years ago

I started thinking that after his last post. When did i contradict myself? i see you know that you can't argue so you try using a different tactic it don't matter what names you are going to call me it doesn't change the truth

No i am saying you should listen to the facts Israel was attacked in 1967 by 12 Arab armies it fought back and took land with it. that is the price the Arab armies paid by starting a war with Israel so the land belongs to israel

and i am saying for the fourth time that Israel isn't occupying any land its more like you are listening the facts not me

So you are saying that Israel doesn't exist basically if you say " look where it says "Israel"" thanks for showing your true colors. So do you want to show me a map of it or can you not find one because the State of Palestine doesn't exist The Palestinian people do have control over the Gaza strip they can change the name if the like to Palestine but as of now there is not state called Palestine

In accordance with the Oslo Accords, the Palestinian Authority took over the administrative authority of the Gaza Strip that was in 1994 so you like arguing the facts good to know

You seem to like ignoring the truth so i will show you some proof here is info on the gaza strip from the wikipedia and BBC please read it all and not just the part that suits you claim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5122404.stm By the way check your facts Israel didn't have control of the Gaza strip till 1967 so stop lieing this a lie you can't get your self out of stop trying to change facts So you are stating that Israel is still controlling the Gaza strip because last i check it was run by the terrorist organization called Hamas a terrorist group created with one purpose in mind and that was to destroy Israel. Israel is not in charge of the gaze strip

Why would Israel be responsible for the Gaza strip? it handed it over to the PLO i am not claiming i am saying you can't turn facts to to claims Israel is not claiming to have handed it over it actually did it destroying to homes of 9000 Jews in the proses. So i could tell that don't like to see the truth but it is the truth and you can't deny it.

Who said the Gaza strip was called Palestine Hamas never changed its name it never declared the Gaza strip Palestine how am i to know how a terrorist organization works?

Actuality you like to leave out fact in 2005 Israel gave up the Gaza Strip which resulted in over 10,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilians so yes Israel will not give up any land until the Palestinians can get there act together so yes Israel has given the PLO many gestures and in return it get rockets seems like a fare deal why not give them more land to fire rockets from I see you like to name call

i did i was arguing the recon why Israel won't give up any land do you have any argument relating to that?

I never said they were not people try not to put words in my mouth what i said was they don't have a country. I know that they are people, they just don't have a country.

There is a group called the PLO not Palestine i am not ignoring it you are bring me some proof that there is a state of Palestine what is its borders it doesn't have meaning it doesn't exist Thank you for showing your antisemitic side now i now who i am arguing with

Really their is a state call Palestine where is it? I can't find it on any maps could you show me one good luck finding a map that doesn't exist sorry i meant to write Arabs not crabs typo :wall:

The you are referring to is the UN and the UN never said that Palestine is a state Yes homes that were built for and by civilians in their homeland i don't see i problem with that do you? Neither side has shown much? what about 2005 when Israel gave up the Gaza strip only to over 10,000 rockets fired at its civilians Israel has tried to give up land only to have it used against them The US has a policy not to negotiate with terrorist why should Israel ?

short of a genocide? Yes obama is wrong he has no right to tell Israel what to do. The 1947 lines were called armistice lines not borders which was a temporary cease fire the border never was agreed upon later Israel liberated the rest of the British mandate land in a war its enemy started. So yes Obama has no right to tell a country in which has wasn't elected for what to do he can suggest but that is it. Second because Obama says something 300,000+ People have to be expelled from their homes?

The different is that Israel is real Palestine isn't it never has been. Israel aren't constantly being branded terrorists, so what's their excuse?

i am not sure i understand you 100 percent but if i did then you are saying the what i am saying is the source of the issue? could you help em out here and explain yourself?

Before the land belong to Israel is belong to the British empire under the "Palestine Mandate" not the country of Palestine. Before the the British empire was the Ottoman empire. There never was a county called "Palestine" it never existed never will. As for the majority and minority of the land yes a couple hundreds thousand of Jews immigrated to Israel before 1947 but also a hundred thousand crabs did to so you are leaving out details.

First off over 100,000 of the Arabs that lived in Israel before 1947 immigrated there in the 1930s to take advantage of the economy there which was the best in the region so there weren't born there and it wasn't their home land. Second the land never belong to the "Palestinians" because Palestine never existed. After the land was conquered over 2000 years ago by the Romans from the Jews it then belong to many different empires it never was on its own.

Israel isn't kicking anyone out of the country.

What do you mean?