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Nice topic. Logging/Server hopping: I remember when this happened you would continue going south roughly heading towards edge (e.g hugging the fence south of rune rocks near the lesser cage), add them to your friends list (helps if they said something in the chat, or didn't have a Xx_Pker_xX90909 type name) and just pray they have privacy off. Every now and then someone will come up green in the friends list and you'd quickly hop to their server and hope to end up close enough to them to attack Pures: Slowly got more extreme and more extreme. 40 attack, 40 def, and as high as strength as possible was sort of the standard, then addy pures with 40, 30, x down to the prayer beasts with 1 def. I found that no matter how hard you tried your PB would always end up getting some defense xp (dealing damage as 'controlled' then all of sudden getting the defense level message later on when the thing dies) There was no attk/def/str in the highscores, only hp, so there was always a bit of mystery regarding other people's stats. Outside of the wildy you couldn't see each other's levels (until I think when duelling came out on p2p). So if you were hitting any sort of big numbers people would always accuse you of being a 'potter' (whilst training outside of the wildy) There were two different types of training: 'afk' training and 'click' training. Afk not neccesarily being away from the keyboard, just a spot where you're character could stay planted without moving and still get exp due to monster auto-attacking you. I think the best training in the game was click training on the 4 guards at the black knight's fortress going up the stairs, killing the 2 guards there, then down the stairs, killing those 2 guards (knowing exactly where they spawn, etc.) 'Afk' training spots were generally at the grave in lvl ~19 wildy and at hobs at lvl ~34. On top of the iron med spawn at the grave, and at hobs there was a certain spot where you'd fight the most hobs per hour (this was down to a science back then). And if there were two people training at hobs you'd move down 2 spaces or so, and the other person was north-west a little bit, to optimise your exp/hour. World 1 was 'the' place to train, because monster spawn rates were proportional to the people on the server. So you'd usually find the high level people at world 1 hobs having a little conference. It was very rare to find a free grave or hobs server. R2h's and rune longs had the same graphic so if someone saw you 1-hit a guard (I think health in the low 20's) they would say 'r2h????' - after you show them in the trade window they'd always press accept hoping that for some reason you would accept too I remember it was a legitimate business running up to the nature rune island with a handful of law runes to telegrab the natures We had 'death matches' where players would fight to the death in the little altars in the wildy (bottom right ~lvl 13 and top left ~38 or so). Of course the forums were always full of complaints from someone getting 'jumped' after the deathmatch by a clan or buddies of one of the fighters Weakens - as I'm sure many can attest to, this was one of the most annoying things to experience in the wildy (dropped str by 5%, I can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure it must have killed any bonus from the str pot before dropping by 5%, otherwise we wouldn't have complained about it so much). To be found using weakens in the wildy was always 'unhonorable' and every time you found weaken runes in a pile it was that much sweeter You couldn't really have a massive team of rangers/mages, as you needed to stop in your tracks to shoot which made it very easy to get away. Range wasn't very popular but there was always a few poachers around the castle thing ( a tad north east of the skeleton coal mine) A typical high-ish lvl pk trip would involve checking out hobs, up to rune rocks then to 'gds' (greaters) and back to the rune rocks, server hoping next to the rocks trying to surprise a poor miner or finding another pker(s) doing the same thing I read the 'catching guide' here and it's pretty much spot on. The hard part was really 'following' 1 space behind, and you just had to hope you had catch. One thing is that the game (mine at least) would always stall a little bit when the dreaded banner ad at the top of the window changed-over, in which case you'd generally lose them, especially if they are running away diagonally. Pretty sure the banners had their fair share of abuse back then. Can't remember anything else at the moment but interested in hearing other people's memories

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This works and it's possible with any item who's prices have been interfered with by jagex (yew long, willow long (u), etc..) It's one of the side effects of a discrepency between real (player determined/'street') market price and 'jagex' determined market price (as seen on the ge).

It's a small difference, but this should be: Use Granite Crab as a net Which refers to what you can actually use the summoned creature for, and not how to summon it or anything like that

Paw_Claw - Ok, so some skills Cost you money, and other skills gain you money. So what? What's this got to do with magic and hi alching? I know this will get lost in all the summoning threads but for the record here's another reason why Jagex CONTROLLING the economy (market prices for items) is a terrible idea: - http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=726075&start=20 All comes down to controlling the market prices. Thing like this will happen for as long as the jagex controlled 'market price' does not agree with the player's percieved 'market' price. This discrepancy will only occur if jagex is interfering with the market, which they are currently doing..!

No. You don't understand. I was thinking about this RWT method before and I'm glad someone posted it in here. It revolves around jagex's stupid (imo) to set a minimum cap at which items can be traded on the GE. [For my, and others views on this please see later pages of the thread 'Has Jagex Forced Prices up of Items that were Undervalued?' in the General Discussion]. Most notably with Yew Longs (s). I thought this had been explained quite clearly but I will give an example: Right now, from 'buying' fletching I have 22,924 Unstringed Willow longbows. Stringing them is simply not worth the effort when I could use the strings on unstrung yews, etc. Now, these unstrung bows are totally useless to me. How much could I sell these to other players? Perhaps 20gp ea if I'm lucky. The minimum price in the GE is SET BY JAGEX at 88gp each. Of course, noone is going to buy them for that price because they have very little/no use. Their REAL market value would be about 20 (general store buys them for 16gp). Their 'JAGEX' market value is set at 88gp. (of course there is no volume of willow longs traded on the GE at the price) Now see where the problem is? I (hypothetically) want to RWT with my friend 'Steve'. I give him $8(or whatever it sells for) in return for ~ 820k runescape gp I trade him 11364 of my willow longs (which are basically worthless to me) and which have a 'market' price of 88gp each. My 'value' of trade is 1,000,032 He gives me 1mil gp Understand? Now he can go sell the willow longs (in lots of 50) to the general store for 16gp each, making back 181k. My loss: 11364 willow longs (value at 16gp each ~181k) $8 money My gain: 1mil rs gp Net total: $8 RL money traded for 820k RS money This can also be done with yew longs This is all a consequence from the silly silly idea to set a minimum cap on the price we can trade items (Willow long (u), Yew Longs(s) 704gp, etc.) The 'market' price is NOT the player price that they are valued in the economy.

Oh man this is the biggest bloody reminiscing thread ever Tim, white rob, RHL, Schm000000 the lil plate mage, kalamies007 (grave training when you were an iron pure) all champs If any of you punks read this thread in the years to come send me a pm, it should notify me Tim those kills of yours on page 5 (posted middle of 2006.. oh well) are awesome.. Julesamazonq (always was with Taryn 247 :? ) Goku tiger (and all those viets) DSM (top bloke) Best memories from that list on the first page.. Anttila - My biggest enemy. Would attack me at hobs then run down and tele if he was low on hp :P always fun Keelercrunch (crunch killa) - Classic guy. Had a bit of an 'addiction' (irl) :D Only this guy had the balls to afk train at hobs in a yellow party hat. He agreed to let me kill him for 99 str but was afk (as usual) at the time. I didn't want to wait so I had to settle for sir galiga (below) Mendark 9 - Used to come to hobs to mine the mith/addy without any armour and wouldn't complain at all so I felt sorry for him :< Itsallupccc - Big enemy Pugz Kenny - An aussie, champion. Imjosh - Top bloke. I remember there was a time when 'josh' was filtered out so it would always come out as **** haha The Hustler - Used to always used macros and autos and then deny it on forums :D Xlady Lunax - Had terrible english and would always try to kick me out of training spots but I could rarely understand Sir Galiga - (original owner) Absolute champion from NZ. Killed my main at rune rocks, found out I was a rune miner and we were mates from then on. Killed him for 99 str at the lvl 34 altar. 007jag - Another aussie champion. Maged him for one of my combat lvls. Great guy P O K E Y (who da best)- Wouldn't stop getting chars muted/banned. Top bloke. Sirdelshah - This guy used to do some merchanting? Think I bought my 1st r2h or kite from him Azn Purity - Another aussie. Used to clear noobs for him once he got mage and defence Gregechidna6 - Someone made a rap song about him called 'Echidna's never prosper', or something like that. Couldn't stop thinking about it and laughing whenever I read this name Galaxyg - Oh man, the guy that dropped galaxyg his r2h (at crandor lessers) was called Fly Venom or Venom Fly or something along those lines. Sydney guy and top bloke (venom, dunno about galaxyg) Thanks everyone Best memories mid/late 2001 to 2003

Mr Man, timbo ! remember me mate?? list brings back memories sue me was the one to teach me how to catch (or more correctly 'follow') but it took about 6 server changes for me to get catch over him :anxious: oh man i miss castle pking and all those crazy finnish guys

Mining? Agility? Hunter? Woodcut? Fishing? How can I buy these? By 'bought or aided' do you mean I buy a rune pickaxe instead of the bronze pickaxe we get on tutorial island? That's irrelevant I still disagree with alching being profitable. I am convinced that with a full functioning GE the market would auto-correct to things like this. Do you know an example to prove otherwise?

Pretty sure ladykilljoy was first to 99 strength back when only hp (not str) was on highscores. Instead of afking at gobs/grave she click-trained on the 4 guards at the black knight fortress.. what a sellout =D> :wall:

Bob, you do have to spend money for fletching..... Fletching was a bad example. What about mining? Do you find it ridiculous that for one click I can gain 50xp AND a commodity that I can easily dispose of for at least 150gp ? So what? (I am still convinced the market will eventually self correct itself if it was possible to make money by buying natures and an item and alching the item, so this is to me is a moot point anyway). I want to sell something for x, player Steve wants to buy it for x.. But we cannot trade through the GE. If to you this is 100% how it's supposed to be then fair enough, but to me it's not.

Well said. This is exactly my point but I was too lazy to type it up. Consider the case of rune meds, sometimes these used to be sold (individually) for 10k flat just because it is a nice round number. As soon as the exchange was implemented the first thing to happen was for their price to 'stabilise' such that the market price + nature rune price was > than the alch value. Arbitrage opportunities will be very quickly corrected by the market

x(1.5x) = 3500 x^2 = 3500/1.5 x = 48.30458915 1.5x = 72.45688373

Have you read any of this thread? The whole point is that people like me :( with 32k yew longs :( cannot sell them for what other people are willing to pay because jagex HAS controlled the prices I can and cannot sell them for

Didn't read through the 15 pages but noticed this wasn't on the first post:

What ??? Sorry mate but I stopped reading there. It's obvious this is leading to some sort of obscene bastardization of quantum physics/mechanics

(this is in aus, where the OP is from) R vs. Lean and Aland (93) - a women who was assaulted used a piece of glass to attack 'the victim'. this was deemed 'excessive' and she lost the self-defence defence. newton vs. fox (99) - a guy breaks into a residence and was beaten by the owner with some kind of baton. the intruder needed face surgery, sued and won AU49k (42k US). even worse the mother of the intruder also won 18k for something like 'nervous shock'. In my opinion she should be thankful her (stupid) son wasn't killed and leave it at that. I'll leave you with one more - about one month ago a women climbed over a neigbour's (of her mother, who she was visiting) fence because she heard a puppy was in distress (or something like that). she was attacked by 2x bull mastiffs and was in critical-stable condition. my understanding is that the whole point of having bull mastiffs is for family/property protection, but would you like to have a guess what's going to happen to the property owner? (dogs are dead already)

To the OP: I'm in NSW too. For us under current legislation we have the right to use "reasonable force" in self-defence. (Like most other areas judging from the posts in this thread). Summary of our current legislation: If you injure or kill the intruder on your property you will need to prove that you behaved reasonably, in the sense that: - It was necessary to use the force you used in the first place (if the intruder realises you are home and tries to run away, but you hit him on the back of the head with a cricket bat, it was most probably not necessary to use force in the first place, as it would be difficult for you to argue self defence using that evidence) - The force you used was proportional to the level of threat imposed by the intruder (if after hitting him on the head with a cricket bat and he is motionless on the floor, you can't go up to the intruder and cut a nice slice in the side of his neck with a knife, as he was posing little/no threat to you at the time) - If your actions are found reasonable and the intruder dies you are still in the clear :) (i.e. you are not just covered for injuring the intruder) - It is understood that you would be under stress in such a situation (i.e. this is taken into account) - As many people suggest here, it would be more in your favour (from a legal perspective) to use a blunt object (cricket bat) rather than a knife. [my opinion] But for when your older, you have sleeping kids and a wife and there's an intruder on your property, don't think of what is reasonable and what isn't, just do whatever it takes to make sure they are 100% safe =)

Yes, of course. The second number is the number (quantity) being offered / requested at that price

Do you propose something like this? If it's possible for runescape to support it then yes I agree

This is what I want to see: Either online on the rs website (external to the game client) or in game as part of the exchange layout based on the betfair betting exchange and just as an added bonus (members feature):

Someone had the fantastic idea of plugging in a value of v that is greater than c into the Lorentz Transformation equations. You're solution will incorporate complex numbers (square root of negative numbers). From sr it follows that any massive particle must travel less than c, any particle with zero mass will travel at c, and any particle with imaginary mass (IF they exist) must travel at greater than c. Also from sr, nothing can be acclerated to c (or faster). So if tachyons exist they must have always been (and always will be) travelling greater than c. People say tachyons exist because there is nothing in sr that actually says they don't exist (i.e. nothing in sr says that particles cannot travel faster than c). However (imo) tachyons will never be discovered and don't exist, they are just a consequence of playing with the maths and not the physics.

People get low temperatures in the lab to investigate the properties of matter at near 0K - like superconductivity/perfect diamagnetism (now over 20 metals), superfluidity, bose-einstein condensates (as already discussed in this thread), and other quantum effects. Not because they believe that somehow they will reach exactly 0K.

As already mentioned on this thread, current physics theory suggests that it is impossible to reach 0K.

what do you mean by this ? absolute zero is at 0K, exactly