Blyaunte

Boy -- that must really CHEESE you off ... :rolleyes: :lol:

I can guarantee you that it has. I'm 99% positive that the average number of players playing RS at any given time has gone up since then. In the short run, Jagex has gotten many more members out of the deal. In the long run, this attitude is likely to kill RS. There are a lot of other things that affect a specific corporation's profit margins. Sure the number of players "on-line" at any given time is higher than it may have been, from time to time, but one has to wonder if those numbers actually translate into memberships, and if those memberships actually translate into revenue. I'd be suspicious of just how many "more members" there are today than there were as of, say, this time last year. I'd be surprised if there has actually be a massive growth in those numbers. Keep in mind, as well, that as a result of the "botting" and "gold farming" issues, Jagex has, once again, to resort to employing more lawyers for legal services connected with these same issues -- such as taking legal action against those entities which have infringed upon their trade-marks, etc. -- and legal fees for civil procedures aren't cheap by any means. Not to mention that, I also find it difficult to believe that the issue of people using "stolen credit cards" to buy Jagex "products" has resolved itself to any extent at this point in time. What could possibly be in place now that wasn't there prior to 2007? :unsure: LOL! I am, of course, referring to the "don't hurt me" aspect of the current Wilderness where those players with the skills and equipment are forced to encounter and combat lesser players with both hands tied behind their back ... <_<

Except the reason they got rid of them in the first place is still there. The gold farmers most likely don't bring jagex any money at all and cost them money and these are the main ones they're unable to handle as there's just far too many of them. The "legit" players who bot are the ones they make money off and ones that'll come back after being rolled back and buying their account back hence why that option is there so they can continue to make money off those people. They have absolutely no reason to leave gold farmers in the game as they do more harm than good to both the community and to Jagex themselves and I honestly don't believe Jagex would purposely leave them in the game they're just unable to handle the volume of them. But then I question why they bothered re-adding free trade at all? They were quite clear that the december 07 changes were the only realistic solution when they implemented them... The only reason to bring back the "original [child-safe] wildy" and free-trade was to get more traffic on the game itself with the hope that it would bring in more memberships and thereby greater income. Whether or not that move has made Runescape more profitable remains to be determined ...

You know -- in some ways this reminds me a little of those conspiracy theories, like for 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination -- because, somehow, it's more comforting to think that those in charge have deliberately messed things up, than to realize that something is broken and possibly cannot ever be fixed ... Personally -- I'd like to think that this entire screw up (restoration of free trade + wildy = unlimited and unrestricted bots) has more to do with "gross earnings" and "the bottom line" and "short-term gains" and the inability to see what is going to happen in the future when the [cabbage] hits the fan, than an alternative where the management of Jagex is deliberately [bleep]ing us over for $5 a month. If it's the latter, I'd at least like a kiss first ... <_<

[qfc]16-17-811-63194097[/qfc] tagged it for easy linkage. It doesn't say WHAT the update is going to be ... :unsure: Yeah cause all the update teaser images over the weekend of dragonkin, mahjrattian fortresses and armies in the frozen north leave us totally clueless as to what this weeks update is... ... and would it be the first time they showed hints and didn't release the update? BTS gave a specific order: New Prayer Potion - release date September 6, 2011 Bonus XP Weekend - release date September 9, 2011 Final Classic Re-opening - release date _________? Ritual of the Mahjarrat - release date _________? They still have three full weeks in which to release the last two "updates" listed in the BTS -- and RoTM is listed 4th, not third. Everytime they open classic again it comes out as a side update alongside a main one. It just seems the most logical option. Membership related upates are always released on 4th week for obvious reasons (like it happened last time with loyalty programme or that 15% discount). Prayer potion was released first, which leaves rotm left; and now they made a thread confirming we will get an update tomorrow, and we are still missing a no update week (which is usually 2nd or 3rd week), but since it has been confirmed it won't be this week... Takes a couple of seconds to figure that out. Unless they decide to release classic reopening alone, then that would be a first timer and I highly doubt they will do that with so many impatient people around, would be a low move. Of course, there's the fact every hint came with a big NEXT UPDATE on them, and since an update is confirmed for tomorrow, that means... We're gonna be chewing our fingernails for another day? :unsure:

^^THIS^^ Obviously, the delay was caused by the whole Godzilla-style battle ... :rolleyes: :lol:

Yeah well -- I am not going to let you guys get me too excited over the possibilities, this time around -- I'm none too keen for a big let down ... again. :rolleyes:

[qfc]16-17-811-63194097[/qfc] tagged it for easy linkage. It doesn't say WHAT the update is going to be ... :unsure: Yeah cause all the update teaser images over the weekend of dragonkin, mahjrattian fortresses and armies in the frozen north leave us totally clueless as to what this weeks update is... ... and would it be the first time they showed hints and didn't release the update? BTS gave a specific order: New Prayer Potion - release date September 6, 2011 Bonus XP Weekend - release date September 9, 2011 Final Classic Re-opening - release date _________? Ritual of the Mahjarrat - release date _________? They still have three full weeks in which to release the last two "updates" listed in the BTS -- and RoTM is listed 4th, not third. Read the BTS again and realise you've missed out loyalty points. Last month they released the updates in a different orders to what they appeared in the BTS. OK -- so, I missed Loyalty points too. But they're not going to release those until the 28th -- which is on Wednesday of the last week. All I am saying is, don't get too excited people. Cabbage happens ...

[qfc]16-17-811-63194097[/qfc] tagged it for easy linkage. It doesn't say WHAT the update is going to be ... :unsure: Yeah cause all the update teaser images over the weekend of dragonkin, mahjrattian fortresses and armies in the frozen north leave us totally clueless as to what this weeks update is... ... and would it be the first time they showed hints and didn't release the update? BTS gave a specific order: New Prayer Potion - release date September 6, 2011 Bonus XP Weekend - release date September 9, 2011 Final Classic Re-opening - release date _________? Ritual of the Mahjarrat - release date _________? They still have three full weeks in which to release the last two "updates" listed in the BTS -- and RoTM is listed 4th, not third.

[qfc]16-17-811-63194097[/qfc] tagged it for easy linkage. It doesn't say WHAT the update is going to be ... :unsure:

This is a non-sequitur. No, something ridiculous like jumping off a bridge to your death in 24 hours isn't going to be enforced. In fact, such an agreement wouldn't be legally binding anywhere under any circumstance. It's simply not reasonable. As it is, no one has said that ToS are themselves laws. What's been said is that the ToS is legally binding. Before you create your Runescape account, you agree to abide by Jagex's terms and conditions. This is clearly stated on the website. Anyway, here are a few cases on the subject. It seems to me that Jagex has some ground to stand on. Seems to but doesn't -- in the cited cases, and in any of those that were successful, there were two aspects involved: 1. The cases dealt with actual physical data/merchandise/tangible effects; and 2. The defendants were all located within jurisdictions that recognize "Trade-mark rights". On a side note, interestingly enough, it's fascinating to take reference of this clause from the T.O.S.: So -- while Jagex reserves the right to "Stop" accounts for any breach of their T.O.S., they don't -- whether because they choose not to or cannot remains to be seen.

Well let's take a moment to consider what we got out of the previous quest in this series. WGS gave us: Now – I dunno, but isn't acolyte (white) armour going to see just a LITTLE anti-climatic after this "Grand-Master" quest? :unsure: On top of all that – let's look at this economically: Dagon Hai Armour in the first week was selling for around 1M. So was Elite Black. The Dragon shards were around 10 mill. On top of that, we got the ability to fetch d claws which at the time we worth, what, 50M? Hell - I'd love another quest that can pay me 10+ Mill for completing it. Now, yeah, okay - maybe Jagex made an epic boo boo in releasing such "high value" content all in one fell swoop. Do you suppose they will make that same mistake again? :rolleyes:

Problem is -- are Jagex's "rules" for Runescape legally enforceable? :rolleyes: Yes. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/virtual_worlds/article6937026.ece Which Jagex rule did he break, and how is this rule being enforced by the laws of Great Britain? :rolleyes: It should be in the TOS, that's how they have any kind of jurisdication - violating the TOS can be a criminal offence pretty much anywhere iirc. "Terms of Service" don't a legal contract make. This is where these conversation often break down. Jagex's rules aren't "laws" -- they're rules within the gaming environment. They're not legally enforceable under the Criminal Code or the Rules of Civil Procedure of any jurisdiction. Jagex can enforce their rules by, [sarcasm]oh I don't know, perhaps BANNING people who break their rules[/sarcasm] -- which, strangely enough, they're not doing -- but they cannot enforce their rules by having people arrested for account sharing or real world trading.

Problem is -- are Jagex's "rules" for Runescape legally enforceable? :rolleyes: Yes. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/virtual_worlds/article6937026.ece Which Jagex rule did he break, and how is this rule being enforced by the laws of Great Britain? :rolleyes:

Problem is -- are Jagex's "rules" for Runescape legally enforceable? :rolleyes:

Is there a film, I don't have the intellectuality to get immersed in most books, surprisingly the last book I read & enjoyed was Betrayal at Falador. The "crux of the biscuit" can be found in these paragraphs: Point is, in chasing these sites down with the intent of closing them down under the terms of copyright infringement, Jagex is, in essence, trying to swim upstream. They're trying to assess old-style property rights to new-style "property" which, in the long run, isn't likely to have much effect and will serve no purpose. Basically, they're throwing money down the toilet on legal fees in a legal battle that, even if they do manage to set a new precedent -- which is doubtful -- and somehow manage to "win" the claim to the exclusivity of Runescape gold as their own intellectual property, any such victory is going to be short-lived, at best, because within 10-15 minutes, that said infringing operation, that they managed to shut down through legality, is going to re-start operations in some other jurisdiction.

I think it's Mos'Le Harmless by the looks of it, and since it's known that the quest will take a part there. And nobody ever comes there, so they're safe. It would be great if during the meeting a baby impling flies by and someone tries to catch it and they kill him. :thumbup: SHOOSH -- don't give them any ideas to "improve" the quest or it will be delayed another month!!!! :o :lol:

... now that you mention it -- there's a strange pillar of some kind just north of the docks, near where the Falling Star lands when it lands in Mos ... If you examine it, you get some kind of cryptic message, which I cannot recall -- but it's an absolutely off-kind of object on that island that had absolutely no business being there. :unsure: Yeah, they give a strange message indeed, and there are tons of them all over the island- one of the pirates even offers to sell you one as a joke if you chat to them :P Well -- this definitely points to the "Rocking Out" quest requirement -- so I wonder what all the bits are? Is the island merely the cover for the Dragonkin's "Evil Lair"?

... now that you mention it -- there's a strange pillar of some kind just north of the docks, near where the Falling Star lands when it lands in Mos ... If you examine it, you get some kind of cryptic message, which I cannot recall -- but it's an absolutely off-kind of object on that island that had absolutely no business being there. :unsure:

Perhaps some enlightenment on the issue would be of assistance here -- I strongly suggest reading: Selling Wine Without Bottles, by John Perry Barlow. :shades:

Bring it! I'm ready! :twisted:

One has to wonder though why Jagex chose to take such heavy-handed tactics against Jiblix, as opposed to, say, attempting to make an earnest appeal to the general community in order to alleviate the hard-feelings with respect to the botting issue? :unsure: And yes, I do realize that when it comes to PR, Jagex fails. As far as the interview with Jiblix goes, this: ... pretty much sums up my sentiment about the entire issue. I've raised this point many times, myself. <_<

You know that "little voice" in your head that tells you that something is morally objectionable to you, and you shouldn't do it because it will make you feel terrible for doing it later, so you listen to it, and don't do whatever it is that you would otherwise find morally objectionable? That's "normal". That's what, in the end, makes you behave in a manner that is suitable and acceptable to the other members of your society. It's called a conscience. It's not a matter of good or evil -- but it is the difference between human and animal-like behaviour. An animal has no conscience, it merely does what it does. A human has reason. A human has the ability to discern what, in the long run, is the best course of action for them, and the other people around them. They listen to that voice and do whatever needs to be done to consider the well-being of the whole. Predators either don't hear that "voice", or refuse to listen to it, or don't feel terrible about it afterwards ... or all of the above. As such, they commit the unconscionable without dread or concern for others. You really love to generalise, don't you? I didn't say "all" the other people ... <_<

See this is where you and I are going to have to agree to disagree. You may think that person is "normal" but they're not. There is NOTHING normal about someone who preys upon children and harms them physically, sexually and/or emotionally. You don't have to understand that but you need to appreciate it, in order to understand my point of view. While these creatures may appear "normal", they're not. They "act" normal in other regards of their dialy routine, as a means of throwing off suspicion to their other activities goodness knows that if pedophiles spent their time running around chasing and harming children in public, it'd be a lot easier to find them but, believe me, they're not "normal" by any definition of the word. THAT is where you and I are going to differentiate here. That is where I am going to differentiate with the other people here who want to hug a pedophile. There's this appearance of normalcy that so many people are willing to accept at face-value but, in the end, it's exactly like accepting that a serial killer is "normal", except when he kills people. If not for the killing/harming/abusing aspect of their personalities -- tchyeah, they're totally "normal" ...

Exactly. I'm sure some sex offenders are predators in the stereotypical sense. I'm also equally sure that some sex offenders are normal people who don't have the self-control to keep their sexual urges in check. And in a society that discourages self-control, I'm not at all surprised to see this happening frequently. Blyaunte: I find it interesting that in your post you make it quite clear that you discourage your kids from applying a label of "black and white" to anything; and then you go on to do exactly that with your description of sex offenders. Forgive me if this seems naive, but I'm more inclined to listen to the opinion of someone who's been abused rather than someone who's judging from an armchair. Where did you get the idea that I've never been abused? Well, you didn't mention you had been, so I assumed you hadn't. Way to reply to my whole post btw ;) I'm sorry -- was there something else you wanted me to reply to? Your previously dismissive tone indicated to me that you had no interest in anything I had to say on the subject because you believed I had no first-hand experience on the subject matter -- about which you are mistaken -- and really, I am not inclined to get into another shouting match with a moderator who's inclined to ban me for talking out of turn the moment the conversation gets heated. If there is there a double-entendre in my previous statement to which you feel the need to take issue, I certainly don't see it. Once I ran into a black woman who was hostile and opinionated. I am going to go ahead and take your views as hostile an opinionated because every black woman must be. Just like every person who has been convicted of a sexual crime must not be humane. Stereotyping is so much fun. Ah I see so, you'd like to sponsor the "hug-a-pedophile" week or something? Is that what you're saying? :rolleyes: