Blyaunte

^^THIS^^ :lol:

*Scooby Doo voice* Ruh Rohs! :unsure:

This sums up Blyaunte's point of view perfectly. Also Omali's posters are pretty awesome, Blyaunte you should put them in your signature. Hey if you can demonstrate to me why and/or how, on earth, ANY legitimate corporate entity would or could clusterf**k their way through a game-changing operation in this fashion, I am all ears. I'm all in favour of giving up the entire "deliberate rigging" argument in favour of "Jagex is chocked full of incompetent boobs" any time ... :lol: Hey if you can give me some evidence on how they rigged the vote... go right ahead. Let me ask you this when Jagex removed the Wilderness and Free Trade three years ago purportedly because of RWT, with the excuse of how much RWT was hurting them financially, and how they almost lost the business, did you think they were telling you the truth back then? Did you believe them? Do you think Jagex has a handle on RWT trading now? More than likely, the difference between now and three years ago has more to do with the settlement of all legal claims against them filed by the credit card companies, than it does with anything else. I'd wager that Jagex prolly now has sufficient legal protocols in place to deny their own liability for any illicit transaction performed via a stolen credit card, or whatever it was purported to have transpired. Not that Jagex would allow any disclosure of, or admit to, any information relating to such a settlement, but hey, I'm just sayin' ... :rolleyes:

You was someone? Lol lysdexics tfw <--been waiting forever to say that somewhere, sry ;) OT: Anyone think red will actually hit GE price? Friend is still trying to get one I think. Red updated yesterday at +4.8M -- not sure if that reflects any actual "GE" activity or not though. :unsure: Red has already been traded again since that update, and I wouldn't be surprised if there have been multiple successful snipes. Now that green is so close to crashing, everyone's looking to red as the next one in line. Might not hurt to get a max offer in and see if it's past sniping yet, but then again the entire bot sniping community is probably camping it too. Would you think Blue's 5.8 increase is merely the "weekly update" value, or would that represent a GE trade? :unsure:

This sums up Blyaunte's point of view perfectly. Also Omali's posters are pretty awesome, Blyaunte you should put them in your signature. Hey if you can demonstrate to me why and/or how, on earth, ANY legitimate corporate entity would or could clusterf**k their way through a game-changing operation in this fashion, I am all ears. I'm all in favour of giving up the entire "deliberate rigging" argument in favour of "Jagex is chocked full of incompetent boobs" any time ... :lol:

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy. ... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow: Not really, if you consider the fact that everything from your opponent will drop on death then restricted trade will be completely irrelevant: if they bring back old wildy it would be ridiculous not to bring back free trade as well. And for the other position: why maintain the droptable and statuettes that continue rapid inflation if bots can simply transfer the wealth via trading? I agree with SirHatlar here, one without the other would be ineffectual. Reallly -- how many "honest" (not RWT) PK's did you manage to get in the "old Wildy" that allowed you to obtain HUGE amounts of gear or cash?

What's with everyone saying this. It's possible to have free trade without old wildy. ... and it's certainly possible to have the old Wildy without free trade ... :mellow:

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe. Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not. But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled, :thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup: It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone. Except two things: 1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and; 2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it. <_< Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want? Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure: Sweet! Say – I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades: [/hide] Gosh, I didn't know it was possible, but I think you're even more cynical than I am. What you're implying is that Jagex committed fraud. The T-shirts cinched it for me that the "fix" was in. Prior to the release of the T-shirts, I was willing to suspend belief that maybe, just maybe, Jagex was displaying their usual degree of ineptitude. The original "referendum/poll" was merely another piece of bad programming, and that they thought they were making a straightforward offer, but didn't give it much thought. you know, much like EVERYTHING else they add to the game, fail to properly play test and then nerf the bugs out of it and punish those people for thinking outside the box. But when the second, purportedly democratic, poll came out, I became a lot more skeptical. First of all, general polling on the various fansite message forums around the web showed a 2:1 margin in some cases, and a mere narrow margin in others, in favour of bringing back both Free Trade and the Wilderness. Yet, Jagex's poll showed a whopping 91%? How's that? Well, of course, that has to do with the manner in which the poll was conducted: allowing people 1 vote per "user account"? That's like allowing someone to vote using names from a graveyard. You're not getting a "majority" vote, you're getting a cheat. Of course, Jagex brags that there's some 10 million accounts – and yet barely over 1 million voted. So, 900,000 votes out of 10 million accounts is "an overwhelming majority"? Who the f**k does THAT kind of math? And why group both issues together? Why not make it a real vote and ask for separation of the two issues? How difficult would that be? Hell – they run polls just like that EVERY week! No – this whole damn thing just stank ... THEN they claim that, after declaring said "overwhelming majority" they're gonna pull this feat of programming out of their ass and get it done and coded and back into the game in TWO WEEKS? TWO WEEKS? Really? Really? Oh come on! Hell - these are the same guys who are still running advertisements under the P2P window – which, they claim is entirely accidental and they're gonna fix it (honest!) – not to mention the clusterf**k that happens every single time they try and do any kind of large update. You really think these tools could pull this off in this short of time without having pre-ordained it to happen? Hell no! Not to mention that this is the same crew of chimpanzees that claim that they already have a handle on "bots" and "autoers" and yet, the game already entertains a massive amount of obvious bots – auto clickers and macroers – and autoers, who are already operating within the current game environment – against which Pmods are absolutely powerless to do ANYTHING and about who's reports Jagex does sweet f**k all. How can anyone realistically expect us to believe that Jagex has either the means or the intention, of any kind whatsoever, to curtail the overwhelming numbers of bots, autoers and macroers that will undoubtably return once they have re-instituted free trade and the Wilderness? How? Then to top it all off, the sheer icing on the cake, the cherry on top, within 24 hours of declaring this wonderous overwhelming majority vote and this feat of technical know-how, they launch t-shirts declaring the deed was done? Seriously? No. Seriously? /rant Like I said, if you peeps are falling for this as an honest deal, I've got some RARE black lobsters to sell to each and every one of you. :rolleyes:

:lol: *snort* :lol: Yes, it's always the "taunting" that makes PKing such a "rush" ... :rolleyes:

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe. Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not. But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled, :thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup: It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone. Except two things: 1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and; 2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it. <_< Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want? Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure: Sweet! Say I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades: You'd have to be either extremely cynical or extremely stupid to think that Jagex rigged that vote. You'd have to be extremely naive or extremely gullible to think that Jagex would give you an honest answer for ANYTHING ... :rolleyes:

You was someone? Lol lysdexics tfw <--been waiting forever to say that somewhere, sry ;) OT: Anyone think red will actually hit GE price? Friend is still trying to get one I think. Red updated yesterday at +4.8M -- not sure if that reflects any actual "GE" activity or not though. :unsure:

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe. Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not. But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled, :thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup: It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone. Except two things: 1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and; 2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it. <_< Over 90% voted to bring it back, how much more of an overwhelming majority do you want? Oh, so you trust Jagex to give us an honest vote for a feature that they already planned to bring back regardless of the outcome of the vote? :unsure: Sweet! Say – I've got this RARE spinach roll for sale. It's worth 100M but I'll see it to you for only 1M. Ok? :shades:

<3: <3: OMG! What a great topic! Love the pics!!! <3: <3: I laughed, I cried, I bought the T-shirt! No wait! The T-shirt says something about bringing the Wildy back?!?!?! Don't know about you folks, but it's seeing glitches like these that don't fill me with much confidence in the condition the game will be in when they reinstate the Wildy and Free Trade. :blink: :blink: I think I'll play it safe for the month of February and just fish at Catherby ... :unsure:

Current "G.E." results indicate: Blue: +5.8M White: 0 Red: 0 Green: +4.6M Yellow: +4.6M Purple: -5.4M Is this merely the "correction" for Purple, or the beginning of the actual reduction in value for all phats?

I think what people are really meaning to say is that Jagex already had plans to release the Wildy and Free Trade before they even put it to a vote. The outcome of this vote was fairly predictable, so that made this whole vote safe. Now if for some bizarre reason the vote hadn't favored bringing back these features, or even if it hadn't been such a decisive landslide, then yes of course Jagex would've reconsidered it, no matter if they had already begun working on the programming or not. But it was pretty obvious how this was going to play out, not to mention how the poll was implemented. It's like Jagex grinned and yelled, :thumbsup: "Who wants ice cream?" :thumbsup: It's a rhetorical question. Everyone wants ice cream, or at least in this case, 91% of everyone. Except two things: 1. the vast majority of people on this planet are lactose-intolerant. So no, not *everybody* wants ice cream, and; 2. inasmuch as it was a forgone conclusion that Jagex was going to bring back the Wildy regardless of the vote tally, we've no way, whatsoever, in knowing for certain that it was an actual "overwhelming majority" who wanted it. <_<

How do you reckon that one? :unsure: Because they were both removed for the same reason. Hypothetically, say Jagex put the Wilderness back in in 13 days. But they left the trade system and GE as it is now. Why would this not make any sense? [hide=My answer] It would not make any sense because they were both removed for the same reason. They removed both the Wilderness and Free Trade to combat RWT. They removed Free Trade so that players could not just hand each other massive sums of cash or items without receiving a form of payment equal to the value of the items being traded. So gold farmers could not walk up to a paying customer and put 10mil cash up, hit accept twice, and walk away, thus leaving the "customer" 10mil richer in game and roughly ~$50.00 poorer in real life. The removed the Wilderness so that a goldfarmer could not carry 10mil + 3gp with him in his inventory, and walk out into the wilderness and let the "customer" kill him and loot his deathpile of exactly 10mil coins and one bones. This would leave the "customer" 10mil richer in game and roughly ~$50.00 poorer in real life. Now, if Jagex reintroduced the Wilderness, they would essentially be saying. "We feel that we can now combat RWT with new detection systems and cool gadgets. Because RWT and botting are no longer hard to deal with issues, we will reinstitute the old Wilderness with all the old rules. All of the reasons we gave you for the removal of the Wilderness have been rendered moot (irrelevant)." All of a sudden, everything mentioned in the paragraph about the Wilderness above becomes possible again. If Jagex were to do this, some players would probably say something like: "Hey! Wait just a second! You said all the old reasons you gave us for the removal of the Wilderness don't matter anymore. Well, you gave us the exact same reasons for the removal of Free Trade. How come we don't get Free Trade back? Do the reasons matter when they are about Free Trade, but don't matter when they are about the Wilderness? If so, that doesn't make any sense!" And they would be right. There would be no reason for Jagex to keep Free Trade out of the game (while bringing back the Wilderness) besides the impulsive "Because we can!" The same principle applies in the other direction as well. [/hide] Doing something like this would give a much deeper meaning to the phrase "You got Jagex'd" though. :P Your logic is circular and therefore flawed. Sure, both were removed for purportedly "the same reason", but they are not necessarily inter-dependent. Unless you can provide an actual valid reason that demonstrates how they are completely and utterly inter-dependent, then there is no reason whatsoever why both options had to be included in the same poll. :P

Better phrased -- "Given the already massive amount of obvious "bots", auto clickers and macroers already operating within the current game environment, how can you realistically expect us to believe that you have either the means or the intention, of any kind whatsoever, to curtail the overwhelming numbers of "bots", auto clickers and macroers that will undoubtably return once you re-institute free trade and the Wilderness?"

But it's "free trade" ...

Yeah, its trade price will go up as people buy them at max. That only has significance for another 12 days, though. ... and then all bets are off, I see ... :mellow:

Personally, I say wait for the crash. Some people don't think partyhats higher than green are going to crash, though. It's a gamble either way. For the sake of sounding "stupid" once again -- when you say "crash" are you indicating that this is a crash from the current "street" price, based on the supposedly necessary amounts of combinations of (junk + items + whatever) = (x) phat, or are you predicting that the actual, eventual "GE" suggested price and/or street price after the return of free trade will be substantially less than the actual current "GE" suggested price? :unsure: Jesus -- I think I just confused myself ... :blink: I mean it'll be worth significantly less than its street implies now. GE phat prices are completely arbitrary, so saying whether or not it will crash below that point is tough to say, especially once free trade comes out and does away with any economic significance passing med price would have. This assuming it will crash at all, which I think it will, but it may not. Ok -- but if people keep buying "x phat" at GE max or med price now, won't it go up in "cash" value? :unsure:

On Topic +1: I have posted this same comment on other threads and received no extensive discussion about this issue and, for the sake of avoiding creating an additional, somewhat duplicate, thread, does "free trade" ALSO mean no more limits on store bought goods? Will we be able to, once again, buy from an infinite number of Runes at Magic stores, or bronze knives?

Personally, I say wait for the crash. Some people don't think partyhats higher than green are going to crash, though. It's a gamble either way. For the sake of sounding "stupid" once again -- when you say "crash" are you indicating that this is a crash from the current "street" price, based on the supposedly necessary amounts of combinations of (junk + items + whatever) = (x) phat, or are you predicting that the actual, eventual "GE" suggested price and/or street price after the return of free trade will be substantially less than the actual current "GE" suggested price? :unsure: Jesus -- I think I just confused myself ... :blink:

How do you reckon that one? :unsure:

Right -- that's why they're selling T-shirts for it now. There's absolutely NO publicity involved. None! Absolutely NONE. Ya know, this reminds me a LOT of "Baghdad Bob" ... :rolleyes:

I've noticed the GE update page for "partyhats" indicates that the GE "med price" for Purple, Yellow, Green AND Red have all gone up. Purple's only gone up 2.8, Yellow 4.3, Green 4.9 and Red 4.8. There's been no movement on White or Blue, yet.