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Another question: can I range with Steel Arrows? \

Sounds fun... =) Is the drop party really a "drop" party or you just have to talk to the guy when you die?

Awsome! I will be there!

I think I be there. Thanks for the party but sad to see people leave. :boohoo:

As much as you think your "$20 in the street" example makes a point here to challenge derelict arrow taker's moral rightness, you didn't even get a half of it. Say someone dropped $20 in the street, they are not intentionally leaving it there, believing that everyone who sees it there should not take it, furthermore, watching that $20 and planning to pick it back to his pocket after some time - why on earth would anyone attempt to do that IRL? In the street? ROFL Now, low rangers are sitting in safe spots, avoid getting hit by not retrieving their arrows intentionally before they finish their opponent while knowing those arrows would be seeing by other after a short period of time. Thus, such "drops" are intentional, period. And since, those arrows are appeared on the screen as everybody can see, the previous ownership of those arrows is ended. Enough said. [Edit] Thanks to Sumpta13, I meant to use the word "intentionally" instead of "intensively". Sorry for the stupid mistake.

By the time I reached F2P Range 90 last night, I found I had a really long journey in almost all F2P ranging spots. "Arrow Stealing" is not only a term that I heard everyday, but also something that I felt ironic and pathetic ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ not for the takers, so called "arrow thieves", but for those rangers who failed to retrieve their arrows and flame others about it. From my level 1 to 90, the only occasion that other player took away my arrows, was when I trained near Crafting Guild across from the Hobgoblin peninsula. I dumped about 5K bronze arrows without taking them back. Other than that, I am confident to say that no one has ever seen my arrows appearing on the screen unless I got disconnected or caught into a random event while ranging. I wrote the following article for all Tip.it friends, especially those who care about their arrows. Yes, I side with derelict arrow takers (so called arrow thieves). Justification for Derelict Arrow Taking Unlike scamming, derelict arrow taking, so called "arrow stealing" by many rangers, is not forbidden by Jagex, nor it should be considered guilty or to be flamed about. Derelict arrows are as same as derelict ores, GPs, items and loots, it is open to all players who have seen them (including the ranger who fired them), and it is up to their choice and reflex to obtain them. Why is derelict arrow taking considered guilty? Why do people flame derelict arrow takers? How do people convict derelict arrow takers? The answers could be: 1. Derelict arrow takers are taking advantage of me, taking away (stealing) my GP! 2. Derelict arrow takers are shortening my training duration, causing me trouble to reach my goal! 3. Derelict arrow takers are against the common practice of good players! 4. Derelict arrow takers are noobs who know no rule or manner! 5. Derelict arrow takers are those who can't afford their own arrows! 6. Derelict arrow takers are hated (losers, cheap), for no reason! Well, if your reason is 4, 5, or 6, it seems that you care about arrows takers more than your arrows; with all due respect, you don't have to finish this article because no article can abolish prejudice. I can't change the way you feel when you believe that it was "your" arrow, but actually not. For those who believe reason 1, 2 and 3, read on: 1. Yes, for sure. You spent money and time for your arrows. However, when your item appears as a red dot to others on the screen, it is no longer "just yours", it is a derelict item that seeks for the quickest click to get it. You could retrieve those arrows in time when it was not appeared to others, but you didn't. Some may say: "Wait! I just need to finish my opponent before I reach out for arrows, I don't want to get wounded or killed, just wait!" Well, that comes to another point ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ if your range level is low, you have to bear the risk that you can't kill the opponent fast enough. Would it be sweet to stay ranging in a safe spot, wipe out an opponent as long as it takes, and find all your arrows there? Sorry, but that is not how it works. There are hundreds of efficient safe spots in the RS world, but not all of them fit your profile. It is your choice to fight in an area that exceeds your ranging capability. 2. Your training duration will not be significantly shortened by losing 10-50 arrows. However, if all you have is like less than 1K arrows, yes it hurts, not significantly but more on the mental side. You will feel like: "OMG! That's a big portion of what I have! I don't want to lose it!" My suggestion is that you find better ways to get arrows, make it less important to you, and train more efficiently in an area that fits your skill profile. 3. RS is world filled with different types of players. There are pkers and non-pkers, pures and mains, combat players and non-combat skillers, soft-and-kind players and aggressive players. Every legitimate player (abide by Jagex rules) can justify the way they are playing. Derelict arrow taking may not be friendly, but it is justified. Why do people take away derelict arrows? Why do people intensively take away derelict arrows while the ranger who fires them is yelling "stop" or even flaming? 1. Simple answer: they want those arrows. Like I said, since it appears on the screen to others, it is OK for others to obtain them. Enough said. 2. Arrow confusion. It could happen while several rangers are shooting in a same area using same kind of arrows. There's no need to make a fuss or to flame about such occasions. 3. Player competition / conflict I have this point highlighted because it is the underlying reason that explains many arrow taking (or "arrow stealing") circumstances. A ranger who can't retrieve his / her arrows in time is usually with low range level, or insufficient range level for the area. Some of them (or most of them) would flame the player who takes away their derelict arrows. If that's the case, many takers would just go on taking ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ either ignoring the flamer or just to "fight back" silently. Remember: derelict arrow taking does not break Jagex rules, offensive language does! In some other cases, derelict arrow taking is an efficient way to get the ranger out of the area and/or the world. Thus, it works as a player competition tactic ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ same as multi-shooting, mining sequence, target stealing, and all other player competition tactics. As we all believe, it is just a game, and since it is a game, it is competition. A perfect example is that, while fighting level 82 Lesser Demons, some low level rangers are sitting in the safe spot taking forever to finish a demon. While there are only 6 Lesser Demons around the safe spot, and the competition is sometimes fierce. Low hit means low XP per minute, and also slower re-spawn, and thus, slower XP for others too. If taking those derelict arrows he shot can get him out of the area / world, I'd be happy to do it (and it works). Meanwhile, the low level ranger can train in an easier area without having trouble retrieving their arrows and get more XP per minute. In conclusion, derelict arrow taking, so called "arrow stealing", is not rule breaking, nor it shall be seen as in-game misbehavior. It is either a player competition tactic, or a conflict mainly caused by conceited rangers who didn't retrieve their arrows in time, or simply, those arrows are there to be taken.

Money and friendship, oil and water.

The problem is fixed! See my new siggy =] Thanks to all!

Just wonder: is it the right forum to post about forum glitches? P.S. There's no Template Selection in Profile panel either. What's wrong? :-k

sub-silver... is there anything to do with template?

I can't find signature box in "Profile"... What happened? Where can I edit my signature?

rune scimmy, rune full helm - Stronghold Level 3 Spiders 5K GP (too many times) - Stronghold Level 3 Spiders 8K GP - Varrock West Gate Guard 2K Cosmic Runes - Somewhere south of Falador, not sure what killed him

Since Jan. 2006. I've been playing RS for less than 9 months.

green d'hide (g) maple short

So far, 88 range, 60 prayer on F2P only.

thanks all above. i guess i'll be stuck in crafting guild for a while :P

if it is only about xp rate, fly fishing is way faster than lobs. bring an axe and a tinderbox, cook all of them, that'll bring your cooking up like rocket too!

sell it, you make straight profit. smith it, you bear a loss. if you do smith it, Plate Bodies will make you most GP per bar by hi-alching.

I'm F2P. I'm after 10k silver ore to get my Crafting to 70. Meanwhile, I want Mining and Smithing XP too, so Cowhides are not my option. Question: Among following plans, which way can I get 10k silver faster? 1. Mine 10K Silver in Crafting Guild, Bank in E.Falador; 2. Mine 20K Coal in Mining Guild, Bank in E.Falador, trade for Silver; 3. Mine 40K Iron in E.Varrock or W.Varrock, trade for Silver. Any better feasible ideas?

Well I guess a time machine is worth a lot more than that. LOL:D

Then I need a time machine, do I? :D

I have most of the emotes now, unavailable ones are listed as follows. Please clarify where I can get these: Glass Box: Mime event? Lean: Mime event? Goblin Bow: P2P only? Goblin Dance: P2P only? Scared: ? (I have no clue at all)

as long as you had happiness in RS, your RS adventure was not in vain. as long as your RS account exists, you could come back any time you want.

Falador West bank is even closer. There's a water pump (not as obvious as fountain) right next to the barber shop. :) (Just edited. I made a mistake just now.)

Since I have 0 PVP experience, if I am going to use a Combat Level 20+ Mage Pure to start my PVP adventure, where would you suggest?