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Are they supposed to just ... sit and watch :blink: They're supposed to ... be prepared :blink: Oh Jebus .. sorry ... I read it wrong ... instead of immediately - immaturely :wall: My mistake lol.

Are they supposed to just ... sit and watch :blink:

Touche Anyways I am moreinterested in the economics effect of it ... or to be more specific - a lot of people now are hoarding pvp supplies hoping that they will make a good profit selling it after wildy comes back ... but no one seems to think about the massive dump that's going to happen and that the people hoarding the supplies are far more than the people who are coming back for the wildy.

A lot of you guys (shall we call you ... honored pkers ? I'm not good with the terminology) are under the impression that we are actually afraid of losing some gpeez. We (at least a big part of us) are disgusted by the attitude and the way of thinking of the other part of the pkers. - Y U RUNZ ? - Dunt prey n00b! - Hah I ownz ya! And when I fight back - Do not eat! (the hilarious part is that they are saying it WHILE THEY EAT (at the time of the said act) themselves) Another examples - You [cabbageing] noob. You didn't drop anything useful. F*** you you wasted my time (you'd be surprised how many times they pmed me this (with more msg-es and worse grammar)

Well all I wanted to say is - "Why limit your-self". In other words if they are going to implement the PvP "the way it should be", they might as well really implement it the way it should be - done by the people who like it with NO LIMITATIONS AT ALL. I just gave a bad example I guess, but you got the main idea ... GE and Free-Trade Removal are far better examples :thumbup: An interesting note - there is a 3-4 years cycle (for PvP changes mainly): 2001-2004 (3.25 years) RSC 2004-2008 (3.75 years) RSN (1.0 Pre-Trade Changes) 2008-2011 (3.?? years) RSN (2.0 Post-Trade Changes) 2011-20?? (?.?? years) RSN (3.0 Post-Pre-Trade Changes ?)

That's the problem. After they relocate the useful stuff (quests, corporal beast, minigames) from the wildy you wont even find 1 (!) skiller out there* ... only an occasional pker trying to find skillers <_< . The wildy will become obsolete. Why waste such a vast space ? *compared to the 2004-2007 when there were enough people to be hunted. TBH I haven't played RSC so much do only thing I can do is compare. I just found it strange to say that rsc and rsn (released on march 2004th) are 2 different games (3 years difference) but pre and post 2007 aren't (again - 3 years). IMO (yes .. an opinion nothing more) if there are updates which change drastically the way the game is played it's pretty much a new version. And Summoning was such update. Most of the skills got boosts as well (the new potions and prayers changed the combat aspect enough + the new equipment).

I proposed it because I thought most people would be happy. Pkers can pk whenever/wherever they want with no limitations. The danger factor will return. Skillers wont have to deal with pkers. It had nothing to do with the 90% from the current vote. As for the status - they can implement 3-4 days cooldown (as the 30 days cooldown for the names change).

Nope, I don't remember that in Runescape. At least not since 2004, when I first played. Maybe they had it for beta? Or maybe classic, but classic is a different game altogether. http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Pking#History Educate yourself then :thumbsup:. As far as you can see it was implemented because the pkers whined that ... other pkers pked them. Now .. we could just go back to the original system because I assume you pkers want to fight (judging from your posts) so the problem is not present anymore. They should totally make a petition for it <3: And if Classic is different game than RS2 you should consider pre-2007 and post 2007 pretty much 2 different games. Summoning and dg weren't in pre-2007, the untradable potions, the curses, well GWD was released few months before the killing of wildy but you can count it in both "versions", the divine shields, the claws, the whole effin combat was entirely different (power-wise). The pre and post 2007 are as different as rsc compared to rsn. tl;dr If they want to take a step back (or forward, depending on the pov) they should take one step further and implement the rsc system. You can pk everywhere (no restrictions world/place-wise) with people who want to do the same and you can't run from it :shame: .

Now now ... and how exactly do you know what they want ? ...Because they made the game that way and then were forced to remove features they originally planned due to unforeseen circunstances? Boy, you sure are dense. Ever wonder why they are having this poll? The circunstances are gone, and they'd like to stick to the original plan. As far as I remember the 1st version had a pking system similar to PvP worlds with PKers and non-PKers separated. I'd assume this is what the founders of the game wanted. But you know .. this would piss off the pkers because they'll have to .. you know .. fight prepared people who are willing to fight back. And this system is perfect: - Pkers are NOT limited to few worlds (as far as I know they want to be able to pk in all words) - [bleep] the wildy, the whole world is dangerous (it's a plus isn't it ?) - and pkers and skillers are separated as they should be. If you want to be a pker you should handle the consequences - the danger of other people wanting to actually fight you.

Now now ... and how exactly do you know what they want ?

I smell a hypocrisy. I see the way we are selfish - we want YOU to play like WE want you to play. But .. if YOU want US to play like YOU want us to play ... that's not selfish at all ... ?! And no I do not imply that the wilderness should be safe. I imply that both sides are being selfish.

They wouldn't ask for such thing if they aren't prepared to implement it as soon as possible. If they wait more than few months ... imagine the riots.

I bet on the first quarter of 2011.

No it won't \:D/ Phase 3 - Will this update result in one big chaos ? (only no option) Phase 4 - Will this update result in one big chaos ? (only I don't care option) They have to fill the time between now and 14th january with some more phases you know ...

Well ... most of us don't. I have 2 ... because my 1st is banned. Anyways as I said previous in the thread even if you remove the multiple accounts the vote will be at best 80-15-5 .. so it's still pretty much representative. Even if we like it or not .. we have to accept it without excuses ;( since there are 300+k votes and for a representative sample of 200m population you need less than 10k* ... *source either excel or http://www.raosoft.com/samplesize.html (1% 95% 200000000 50%)

Any rational and intellectual being would vote YES (that's why I voted NO :mrgreen: )

TBH I prefer a PvP world than the above-said .. simply because during a dagganoth task (for example) there are no people at the lighthouse .. and even if someone comes (with no protection from ranged on) they are pretty much screwed with the cannon in place and the Kurasi in hand :D

It's been 88% for the last 40k people (~45% of the votes) I don't expect a big change even after 200k more.

To be honest, the petition was supposed to end on January 14. However, the results were pretty obvious, so Jagex did the referendum. I think the 'closing date' will be arbitrary. Since it's apparently a landslide, it probably won't last very long. It does need to last long enough to get a representative sample. It is Xmas weekend after all, and people will be AFK. You will need to see a large enough sample of the current player base. Look at the vote totals - about 65,000 as I speak. 88% of that is about 57,000 “yes” votes. Is that enough to bring it back? I'm too lazy to look at the formula and calculate it but 65k is more than enough for a representative sample IMO. I find it interesting that the speed of the voters is 13k per hour for now (but I assume it will become slower) => for 24 hours they will get ~275k votes if not lower ... compare that to the 1.2m :mrgreen: For a group of 20m people, you will need a sample size of 9599 to get a result with 95% chance of being correct with 1% of correlation. (in other words if you get 90% yes, that means that the result will have 95% chance of being right and the people saying yes will be 89-91% of all the group) We have a group of 65+k people. They might not be randomly chosen (well .. they are random enough IMO) and at least 50% of them voted from multiple accounts but even taking this into account a fair vote wouldn't be too different (may be 80 vs 15 vs 5 [%]) because it doesn't matter how big the group is .. even for a group of 200m people you need less than 9700 randomly chosen people to have a 95% chance of being right with 1% interval. It hurts to say it (as a person who voted NO) but the current vote is pretty much representative (with .. at max 5% interval. In the worst case those 88% YES are 83%)

I meant the wealth transfer part. That's why I said a lot, not most or all ...

And I am sure that .. you know .. a lot of the people who invested in more than one account broke .. you know .. this rule http://www.runescape.com/c=nZ6YHFZGfFk/rules/rule_multiple_logging.ws

I'll jump on the band-wagon. You have to be a [developmentally delayed] to get scammed. I got scammed only once (if you can really call it a scam). I had ~150k and some dude came near the mining guild (I was mining the gold ore near it) and said he can trim any runite item for free ... I already knew this was impossible but I gave him my rune full helm (don't ask why I mined gold ores in full rune) just to be able to report him :ugeek:. Sadly .. he didn't got banned =/

Bots can't come back if they haven't left ...

Hmmm I wonder how many "phases" are going to be ... There is a lot of time 'til the end of the fiasco (14 january if I remember right)

I know why they removed them. I was ready to leave (NOW) if the last vote (PHASE 1) was the representative one because it was a mockery to all the players regardless of the position (yes/no).